this is our punishment because stansbury did not support johnson

[JJacket]

The fact is that Johnson was done. He had no players capable of winning games. He had t recruited linemen for three years. He hadn’t recruited defense for 11. He had no desire. He was finished. Through. Ded. He would have won no more games this year than Collins did. He got out while the getting was good.

The only thing Johnson could have done to make the game closer is run clock.

 

[18in32]

Some people here don't think Johnson could ever go 3-9 for a season. He did, though, with all his own players.

No point in arguing with them.

No point in arguing with me. I remember how very different 2015 was from 2019.

 

[OptionJacket]

Are you literally retarded? I said the roster was all on Johnson. I'm not giving Collins a pass for some of the decisions he made but I also don't have my head so far up Paul Johnson's ass that I forget that he left us a roster that is 118th out of 131 Division 1 teams in height/weight measurements. There was only one P5 team in the entire country that was smaller than we are. Think about that. Vanderbilt, Utah, Minnesota, Duke, Indiana, Northwestern, Purdue, Rutgers....yeah ALL of those football powerhouses are bigger than we are.

So yeah I'm willing to give Collins a bit more leeway when we travel 71 players to Virginia and 14 of those are walk-ons. Did you know that Henson Fowler, a walk-on defensive tackle, was out there today playing significant minutes against one of the top 4 teams in the country? Because we literally don't have anybody better than him at that point to step in and play? And people like you are gonna try and lay this off on Collins?

We were giving up over FIFTY pounds per player today when our defensive line was matching up against their offensive line. Is it really any wonder that they started gashing us in the second half? Hell, I'm just literally astounded that we were able to stop them at all in the first half since they should have been able to line up and just push us back 4 or 5 yards on every play. But yeah...that's all on Collins and not the coach who recruited all of those players onto the roster. Geesh...for people who went to Georgia Tech, we sure do have some friggin stupid fans.

Take heart in knowing that Collins and this staff are not distracted by our fan base who not only know very little but also give their stadium away to opposing fans. Collins and company are moving forward with upgrading the roster. Just wait until processing commences. These same fans whining now about losing will whine about Collins bringing in bigger players. Thankfully Collins cares more about GT than he does about what the fans think.

 

[JJacket]

Take heart in knowing that Collins and this staff are not distracted by our fan base who not only know very little but also give their stadium away to opposing fans. Collins and company are moving forward with upgrading the roster. Just wait until processing commences. These same fans whining now about losing will whine about Collins bringing in bigger players. Thankfully Collins cares more about GT than he does about what the fans think.

It is sad how little our fans care for the program and allowed significantly more than half the stadium to be filled with red.

 

[aeromech]

Heres the thing: even when CPJ had his successful years he wasn’t growing the fan base. Squeezing more blood out of our limited stones is not a long term strategy. Part of a head coaches responsibility is donor relations. CPJ sucked at that.

Somehow we have to grow our fan base. We weren’t going to do that by bringing in another 3O coach. We had to try to bring in some flash.

You assholes bitching about Collins better hope he is successful because if he isn’t there’s going to be even less money for the program down the road. Our aging fan base will continue to die off with no one taking their place.

Wrong. When CPJ had his early success we did grow the fan base. I think DRad probably had a hand in getting some of the local Hip-hop talent on the sideline, we got good national media exposure, and CPJ brought in some fans from Georgia Southern and Navy; but being what we are we told them to go back to Statesboro or wherever. You are correct that the fan base got bored with going to second tier bowls and it definitely hasn't been growing the past 4-5 years.

I am hoping that CGC is successful and gets the positive vibe back at GT; but the fan base isn't going to grow with seasons like this.

A good place to grow fan base, particularly those who will donate to the program, is in the admissions office. When our admissions office is ambivalent about legacy applicants and loads up on students with little or no team sport interest, you get what we have.

 

[helluvaparamedic]

Well I am just going to leave this right here...Elite Coaches coaching at an Elite level do not throw in the towel late in the 4th quarter with 3 timeouts in their pocket and > 3minutes to play without trying to score to prevent their team's most hated rival from hanging the biggest point differential loss in the history of the series on his team. Dave Braine wrote a letter of apology to the fans when the sad sack that he hired lost by what had been until today the largest margin. Todd Stansbury had better be writing that apology letter and explaining how we are going to be getting better moving forward.

 

[Techbert]

Take heart in knowing that Collins and this staff are not distracted by our fan base who not only know very little but also give their stadium away to opposing fans. Collins and company are moving forward with upgrading the roster. Just wait until processing commences. These same fans whining now about losing will whine about Collins bringing in bigger players. Thankfully Collins cares more about GT than he does about what the fans think.

On twitter today:

Derrik Allen db transfer. We also have this from Antonneous Clayton, defensive lineman transfer.



And don't forget wr Marquez Ezzard

 

[GT65_UGA89]

It is sad how little our fans care for the program and allowed significantly more than half the stadium to be filled with red.

How the hell did so much red get into sections 104 - 108? That’s ridiculous.

 

[77GTFan]

How the hell did so much red get into sections 104 - 108? That’s ridiculous.

I came down for the Va Tech and NCSU games. All around me in 108 folks were saying their “goodbyes until next year”. The general sentiment was “I can’t bear to be here for the beat down we will get from the Dawgs”.

Season ticket holders will now go at least 22 years without a home win against UGA. They have seen ten straight home losses in their stadium to Georgia. They have been subjected to ridicule by the many Dawg fans. With every home loss more opt out. Win one, and those who did not use their tickets will be sorry they missed it. They will be there the next time. We have to win one to turn around their thinking. With every loss the percentage of no-shows grows.

 

[Techbert]

Oh, and their ratings (247) are

Allen .9516
Clayton .9823
Ezzard .8939

Not counting transfer Myles Sims .9312, who played, the lowest rated sit-out transfer of the 3 has a higher recruiting rating than anyone in Georgia Tech's 2019 class.

The other two are higher ranked than any GT recruit since Geoff Collins helped assemble the class of 2007.

So there are reasons for optimism.

 

[ScionOfSouthland]

Oh, and their ratings (247) are

Allen .9516
Clayton .9823
Ezzard .8939

Not counting transfer Myles Sims .9312, who played, the lowest rated sit-out transfer of the 3 has a higher recruiting rating than anyone in Georgia Tech's 2019 class.

The other two are higher ranked than any GT recruit since Geoff Collins helped assemble the class of 2007.

So there are reasons for optimism.

Football fans are shortsighted, unfortunately. We will see what happens. It takes 1 coach that can make a program and it sets up a team for generations. Bowden, Dabo, Dooley, Woody, Bo, etc. It takes time to build a perennial power regardless of how much the cards were stacked for that coach. IDK if CGC is going to be that guy or not but it will take a long time for Tech to build a winning tradition that you see at other schools.

 

[QuadF]

I find it interesting how often people will say that cpj didn't care about recruiting (which seems to be based entirely on how local radio felt about him), but seem to ignore GT having one of the smallest recruiting offices in the acc for a significant portion of his tenure.

For all his faults, cpj was constantly campaigning to get better funding for staff (specifically recruiting), and a sports science major to make school less of a hurdle for athletes. Theres plenty to wish he did differently, but its dishonest and a disservice to the new staff to ignore some of the issues that are bigger than the coach. If you want to see our recruiting issues continue, keep blaming it solely on the coach.

 

[GTCrew]

It’s funny you say just wait a few years in a thread where we’re talking about GT is a few years from being dead ööööing last in the entire P65 teams in athletic spending.

So spend less on track and whatever other tiddlywinks Wake wants to beat us in. You think Utah fans care that Stanford [almost certainly] grossly outspends them?

Second, create more fans. UGA is rolling in the dough because of hicks who never been to Athens, not grads. 404 ftw. We have to attract sidewalk fans. Not sucking an basketball would help but thats a dead horse. The timing of the Falcons sucking is good for us. We dont have to beat UGA yet, but we need to start by being top 25 and competing for the coastal. We need to be relevant. That starts with top 25 talent, or a genius coach. PJ retired, so lets try the top 25 talent route now. Should be a fun ride.

 

[GTCrew]

Haven't had season tickets in a few years. I put my own kids above the GT team apparently; because it is physically impossible to have my kid at practice this morning and be in Atlanta on the same morning.

Practice? WTF do you have them in that you cant miss literally 7 times a year? Do you not have a single friend on the team who could take them?

Sounds like a copout. I'll take it back if your kid goes pro though. Good chance of that, right?

 

[Techbert]

I find it interesting how often people will say that cpj didn't care about recruiting (which seems to be based entirely on how local radio felt about him), but seem to ignore GT having one of the smallest recruiting offices in the acc for a significant portion of his tenure.

For all his faults, cpj was constantly campaigning to get better funding for staff (specifically recruiting), and a sports science major to make school less of a hurdle for athletes. Theres plenty to wish he did differently, but its dishonest and a disservice to the new staff to ignore some of the issues that are bigger than the coach. If you want to see our recruiting issues continue, keep blaming it solely on the coach.

I find it interesting that you don't see the diff between the two halves of the 2019 class, or the diff between 2020 and any prior class over the last decade.

CPJ gone. Let him go. Look to the future.

 

[ElCidBUZZingFAN]

So spend less on track and whatever other tiddlywinks Wake wants to beat us in. You think Utah fans care that Stanford [almost certainly] grossly outspends them?

Second, create more fans. UGA is rolling in the dough because of hicks who never been to Athens, not grads. 404 ftw. We have to attract sidewalk fans. Not sucking an basketball would help but thats a dead horse. The timing of the Falcons sucking is good for us. We dont have to beat UGA yet, but we need to start by being top 25 and competing for the coastal. We need to be relevant. That starts with top 25 talent, or a genius coach. PJ retired, so lets try the top 25 talent route now. Should be a fun ride.

We have a fine tuned sports car in Collins and we’re filling him up with 87 grade despite the manual telling us we need 93 grade for it to run at peak.

I agree with the sentiment of your post. We need to grow the base badly. Even in the face of any recent success we’ve experienced, we’ve been quietly dying on the vine so to speak when you step back and see how much CFB spending has changed the game and either our inability or just gross negligence in taking actions to keep up.

 

[18in32]

Wrong. When CPJ had his early success we did grow the fan base. I think DRad probably had a hand in getting some of the local Hip-hop talent on the sideline, we got good national media exposure, and CPJ brought in some fans from Georgia Southern and Navy; but being what we are we told them to go back to Statesboro or wherever. You are correct that the fan base got bored with going to second tier bowls and it definitely hasn't been growing the past 4-5 years.

I am hoping that CGC is successful and gets the positive vibe back at GT; but the fan base isn't going to grow with seasons like this.

A good place to grow fan base, particularly those who will donate to the program, is in the admissions office. When our admissions office is ambivalent about legacy applicants and loads up on students with little or no team sport interest, you get what we have.

I don't think it's true that CPJ grew the fanbase in the early years. Here are our attendance averages, per the NCAA...
2007 – 50,280
2008 – 47,489
2009 – 51,584
2010 – 46,449
2011 – 48,232
2012 – 43,955
2013 – 49,077
2014 – 48,519
2015 – 50,707

What this says to me is... you need a consistent upward trend to build fan enthusiasm, broaden the fan base, and increase attendance numbers. CPJ's teams, even in the good years, had some perplexing losses. And all-too-often we would blow out a team with record-setting offensive numbers, and follow it up the next game with a head-scratching loss to somebody we shouldn't have lost to. CPJ brought us a lot of good games, but also a lot of bad ones – and to get casual sports fans interested in your program, you're gonna have to be consistently good for several years in a row.

That's not something we've done since (arguably) O'Leary, which is now 20 freaking years ago. (Man, the time flies by, doesn't it?) And it was under O'Leary that we were consistently filling up the stadium, which is what prompted the expansion. You gotta wonder how GT football history would look different if Bob Davie had been just a little bit better as a head coach.

 

[texstinger]

Funny like how the previous coach never lost to a FCS team or got shut out with his recruits.

Thank you.

The fact that not getting shut out is more important than developing a whole team, or more important than just winning itself explains things better than I could.

 

[texstinger]

So, are you saying the former President instructed the former AD to keep spending level while the CFB world blew up spending around us?

Sure. OK. Either way, it damaged the program beyond belief and continues to do so since we’re falling further and further behind.

So, you are saying you don’t understand when someone is asking a question?

 

[texstinger]

Well I am just going to leave this right here...Elite Coaches coaching at an Elite level do not throw in the towel late in the 4th quarter with 3 timeouts in their pocket and > 3minutes to play without trying to score to prevent their team's most hated rival from hanging the biggest point differential loss in the history of the series on his team. Dave Braine wrote a letter of apology to the fans when the sad sack that he hired lost by what had been until today the largest margin. Todd Stansbury had better be writing that apology letter and explaining how we are going to be getting better moving forward.

So, did you graduate from GT? Not really important I am just thankful you are a fan.

But are you saying losing by 45 points (and that is a disgrace) to ugag is a bigger differential than them losing by 48 points to us?