Tired of reading posts from ignorant folks???

One could easily argue that our football recruiting has been far more consistent than basketball...evidenced by this year.

It is also far easier to recruit for hoops...particularly in a major southeastern metropolitan college in the ACC...than recruit for football in the same setting.

Basketball and football recruiting at GT is like comparing apples and oranges.
 
Why do you think it is easier to recruit for basketball at a metro school than football?
 
before I answer that question...it is also good to point out that the Top 100 in basketball is about equivalent to the Top 1,000 to 1,250 in football...considering there are 13 hoops players on scholarship relative to 85 in football.

As far as geography goes...and Atlanta/Georgia Tech's involvment in it there are the following consideration.

1) Hoops is seen by youngsters as more of a "metropolitan" game...one that belongs in the city. You rarely hear top basketball recruits talk about Auburn or Clemson and say "I love the college-town feel." However, you hear that in football time and again.

2) ACC basketball is seen by youngsters as the traditional basketball conference...tobacco road...all of that crap. However, in football....you ask a youngster what is the top conference over time....they will instantly say SEC. You see many more football kids say they want to play at an SEC school rather than demand an ACC school. When referencing the ACC, the football recruit typically says "The ACC is becoming....", "adding VT and Miami has made the ACC....". That type of thing...over time this part will hopefully change.

3) Hoops talent pours from the mid-Atlantic and northeast region in a FAR more plentiful manner than the southeast...and just the opposite for football. The northeastern kids (and people in general) are pro sports fan first and foremost. They do not even come close to the college craze we have in the southeast. Therefore...all of this hoops talent in the mid-Atlantic and northeast can identify a lot more with the pro-ball cities like Atlanta...the DC area...etc. We can capitalize on that in basketball and tap into that talent. We do well recruiting up there generally...but the fact is they just do not have the depth of football talent up there that we have in the southeast where the kids identify more with the college towns. I am not sure I am expressing #3 very well...but I am trying to communicate it.

Just in general...you can steal one or two top hoops recruits and make all of the difference in the world. Heck..you are not even penalized if they go pro early now (i.e. recruiting Marbury for one year). In football...you have to get FAR more players...and you certainly cannot expect to have the same impact from those one or two. Heck...they have to stay in football until they are 21 or completed their junior year regardless....in hoops you can bring in a kid like Marbury...let him take you to the NCAA's...then let him move on. In this situation he is one of 5 to 8 kids you need instead of one out of 40 to 45 you need.
 
I just removed the ignore function on GeeTee because I can't help but cash in on the entertainment value. And I think I'm finally pickin up what he's puttin down. He believes we are all a bunch of Homers that think everything is just hunky-dorey in Stingville.
Well, guess what? I'm not happy with where we're at. I want us to win more games every year. I'm not making up excuses but.....you've got to be a realist. All these things have happened and it isn't all CCG's fault. He's doing the best he can with the card he's been dealt and I personally feel we're moving in the right direction. And unfortunately for all those that don't see it--He is locked in.
 
Bring on Rec. Mgmt. majors.!!
What's your solution for getting the big-time athletes? Win? With who as coach? Who you bringin' in? How are you going to make sure the kids make the grade? How are you going to keep them from getting arrested after it's too late? You want it to be better but you don't know how to get it done. You're unrealistic and impatient.<<<Read that again GEETEE
 
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I just removed the ignore function on GeeTee because I can't help but cash in on the entertainment value. And I think I'm finally pickin up what he's puttin down. He believes we are all a bunch of Homers that think everything is just hunky-dorey in Stingville.
Well, guess what? I'm not happy with where we're at. I want us to win more games every year. I'm not making up excuses but.....you've got to be a realist. All these things have happened and it isn't all CCG's fault. He's doing the best he can with the card he's been dealt and I personally feel we're moving in the right direction. And unfortunately for all those that don't see it--He is locked in.


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I wouldn't assume that he believes that we're a bunch of Homers--as you call it. I see that he wants the best of the program and could care less if he appears as a cynic. CCG, yes has done o.k. with what he's had to deal with, but much of which he's dealt is to himself! He's not a first year coach anymore! IMO, the ONLY reason he's still around is because GT wants Braine gone. Can't dispose of both at one time!..But be real....There's no else to blaim but him!(thats of course if your not happy and want a better football program)
 
I'm "impatient"? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hugelaugh.gif

I guess that happens when year after year we finish with 5 or 6 losses, go to a junk bowl, only to hear "wait till next year cause we're on the right track". Tell me again why next year is going to be so different?
 
just because he is a tiresome jerk doesn\'t mean

that he is always wrong.

if he would package his message differently / with more grace / respect for his fellow gt fans, he wouldn't been seen as such a villan on here.

many of his points are valid. even if he is a big fat jerk to most of us.
 
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No, but it's all problems and no solutions other than fire the coach.
Now that a new contract has been signed, it's nothing more than telling a fat guy on a diet that he is fat.

It's time for GeeTee to get behind a plan B that he thinks will work, find something to get Chan Gailey fired, or just move along.

I would bet that a large percentage of folks here have problems with what has/is going on, but most realize that empty bitching is counter productive.
 
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when it comes to complaining about, wanting to fire CCG or wanting whats best for our program, why are the folks on this board any different than the many GT fans that started and maintain canchan.com? I'm not getting why those of you want to chastise people who point out all the many negatives we have in our program in hopes to move forward instead of spinning our wheels in mediocrity...why should we settle when we could be one of the premier football programs in the country - I certainly dont see why...havent we won more MNC than Ugag, a football factory??...and many others. I say, post on GeeTee and the like!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cheers.gif and is it really our job to come with the "solutions" as you keep saying...we give the program a lot of money and pay large enough salaries to the folks whose job it is to come up with these "solutions" to all our problems....but we can vent all we want to and make sure we are heard.
 
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Many GT fans have an arrogance about a football program that consistently loses 5-6 games a year, goes to bowls not worth a darn, and that gets on NCAA probation. I guess its because we throw in an extra math class for our SAs? Is it a hangover from the Dodd days a hundred years ago? Beacause we have nothing else to blame but the real issue iteself? Then they wonder why the AJC and so many in the state of Georgia don't like us..and subsequently don't buy GT apparell that many here have complained about. Your right, jp, it is up to the big salaried guys in our AA to figure this out. If I were paid over a million dollars a year as the CEO of a company whose quarterly earnings were weak, I would think the shareholders would complain and have that right to speak up...and trust my decision making to correct the problems. If not, it is the responsiblitiy of the Board to then make some hard nosed decisions. Instead, my Board just gave me a hefty new contract, even though the IRS just slammed me for illegal activities. Keep on cheering.
 
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Here..here /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cheers.gif Well, said, GTee. This is a business! Too much money and funding too many things for GT. We need to have a successful program, period. Until changes are made in the coaching staff, we'll continue to be stuck in the ruts on the this muddy road!
 
Your analysis is seriously flawed.

GTAA is a non-profit organization which does not have share holders. It is customer-service driven, but its primary group of customers is the student-athletes NOT the fans.

GTAA paid fair market value for its head football coach; his salary is average for a BCS level program.

You are a fan, which, by definition, places you in a supportive role (look it up). As Chan once said, "You are either with us or against us." It really is that simple.

I would like to see Chan hire an OC or, at the very least, a qualified QB coach. I would also like to see him take a collegial, rather than an NFL, approach to special teams. These are desires, not demands. If they don't happen, I will support the Jackets and their coaches anyway.

There's a difference between reasons and excuses. REASONS why GT has more of an uphill battle for 10-win seasons include tougher admissions standards, limited "exceptions" to those standards, an increased emphasis on graduating our football players, a comparatively restrictive curriculum, and the "get out alive" nature of GT. Don't call these things excuses because they're not likely to change.

I like succeeding against all odds. It's a big part of why I'm a GT fan. I have trouble understanding fans like you who want GT to be something it's not (and never will be) so that it can achieve a higher level of success on the football field.
 
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we are shareholders, to a degree, regardless of how you choose the semantics for it. The AA depends on revenue...generated from fans from ticket sales, donations, etc... if the program was a huge financial drain because of fans not going to games and supporting it, it would not continue. period. As for focusing on grad rates, as mentioned, I recall an article that just came out showing those grad rates and we were below average.
 
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I say, post on GeeTee and the like!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cheers.gif and is it really our job to come with the "solutions" as you keep saying...we give the program a lot of money and pay large enough salaries to the folks whose job it is to come up with these "solutions" to all our problems....but we can vent all we want to and make sure we are heard.

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I don't disagree with this point at all, as long as StingTalk isn't used as the only medium to get the message across.
If it is, that's about as effective as throwing rubber balls at a brick wall.
I have my own short list of things that need to happen at Tech this off season. If they don't happen, I will feel that the new contract was a huge mistake. I'm sure I will bitch about it here once or twice, but after that, what's the point?

I'm not saying that ST is not a great forum, it is! But, this is a discussion board, not a policy board.
 
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I have trouble understanding fans like you who want GT to be something it's not (and never will be) so that it can achieve a higher level of success on the football field.

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Well, I, clearly hope and want to see our football team achieve a higher level of success. I don't invest in season tickets every year to see Uga beat us as well as watch us only win 5,6,7 games. I accept your argument as to what the role of fans, but it is us (the fans, the patrons, the alumni that go to games every Saturday.) We, the fans, support the AA. We, the fans, fill the stadium. We, the fans, spend money on the apparell!
 
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Been away for a few days so haven't been in the free for all. First of all, if you claim that I'm a cheerleader for Chan you haven't been on the board very long. I'm one of the ones that was very clear before the season that we have been mediocre and that the team's performance this year should be the barometer on whether he remained at Tech. I was very surprised when the extension was announced, but subsequent announcements, probation, etc, convinced me that Braine probably did the best thing at the time. Trying to replace a coach staring at probation, the RH thing, an AD in his last year, etc., was probably not a wise thing to do. Also can't have a coach in his last year of a contract...it just won't work imo.

Now, from there what I get mad about is stupid posts that criticize everything for the simple reason that someone doesn't like someone. For example. The comment about grad rates. Those players who are being measured now are O'Leary recruits. Blaming Chan for choosing those guys makes as much sense as blaming him that the ACC has so little influence over bowl selections from thier tie in bowls committees. If you want to blame Chan for our lack fo scoring offense...have at it. If you want to talk about our recruiting let's go. But the stupid posts are what galls me.

FWIW, I think we're actually doing better on the recruiting trail this year than the last few. However, I would like to see the coaching staff take more chances on kids and press the Hill to let them in. That's only if they really do believe they are commited to doing the work to stay eligible, but I get the feeling they're so gun shy they steer clear of most players who are interested in Tech if there's any question about them.

I think the only thing that would matter at all from an academic standpoint is it Tech would put some majors in that don't require calculus. We can hem and haw about it all we want, but the fact is kids that are more serious about playing pro than school simply don't want to take cousres that sound hard, even if they might not be. Why fool with it if you can go to State U and major in PE? Even the recruiting classes that O'Leary had that were in the top 20, were borderline top 20. And many of those players either failed on the field of flunked out. Right now all Chan can reasonably do is take a few more chances or really bone up on Tech's version of liberal arts and push that with players.

On the field we need better QB play. IMO that's the only thing holding our offense back. We do plenty of stuff and show a lot of variety. I think Chan's pretty good at calling plays, but we simply can't score because of what Reggie can't do well. Someone either needs to beat him out, he needs to improve (could happen) or Chan needs to figure out ways around those limitations. That's all on him since he evidently isn't going to bring in any offensive help.

That's it for now.
 
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it wasn't me who brought up the grad rates in this thread...but I have to laugh that you're almost excusing the grad rates or at least, once again, shifting blame. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
 
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What? Recent grad rates are for classes that were brought in before Gailey was on campus. So who is shifting blame? My contention is that O'Leary made a habit of signing kids who had no chance of graduating. Care to comment on that?
 
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You love the blame game and you know it. cya, cheerleader.
 
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