UGA 15 - Tech 1

00Burdell said:
I would agree with this up until last year. The landscape has changed. I’m a bit surprised that this point needs justification.

Do you really think the gap betwwen us and the dwags is pretty much the same as it was in 1980? That a couple good recruiting classes can even us up?

I really hope that’s not what you are thinking.
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Nebraska was the national champs in 1996. Was the gap between us and them 45 pts? Probably. We are in an unfortunate situation right now. Our two main rivals are at their apex. Alabama has made a run unparalleled in college football (only rivaled by UCLA basketball). I’m not so sure things are that different than the days of the Pony Express at SMU, except that the NCAA put a stop to it then. There doesn’t seem to be a body opposed to setting up a minor league system anymore.

I think that is a bad move by the ncaa. If college football becomes a minor league, it is going to attract the same interest as a minor league system. Better for the NFL to expand to 120 cities and set up a relegation system.
 
00Burdell said:
I would agree with this up until last year. The landscape has changed. I’m a bit surprised that this point needs justification.

Do you really think the gap betwwen us and the dwags is pretty much the same as it was in 1980? That a couple good recruiting classes can even us up?

I really hope that’s not what you are thinking.
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It just takes a little history, I think, to see how this same complaint has been raised over and over again. If anything, CFB is more equitable than it's ever been. Now conferences pool TV and bowl money. Just imagine back when ticket sales were the primary source of revenue! Real tough for a half-empty 45k seater team to compete with an always-packed 90k team. The NCAA watches over academics more closely than in the past; now there's things like stipend and NIL to move some of the money above-board; I could go on and on – and frankly the on-field play bears this out. More 'minor league' teams beat more 'major league' teams every season, it seems. For every Bama and Ohio St that seems unbeatable, there's a Texas or USC or FSU or whomever that used to be a similar dynasty.

Are we just a couple good recruiting classes away? Not hardly. What we need is a good coach. That's where it starts for every program, always, period.
 
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The lack of draft picks is concerning, but it's far more an indictment on coaching and not talent level alone. We have talented players, they just aren't being developed. Usually you see guys like Carp and Thomas take off in the NFL with better structure & coaching.
 
YellowJacket4Life said:
The lack of draft picks is concerning, but it's far more an indictment on coaching and not talent level alone. We have talented players, they just aren't being developed. Usually you see guys like Carp and Thomas take off in the NFL with better structure & coaching.
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I guess we'll see either way. Both how the defense looks with new faces and how those guys pan out in the NFL
 
YellowJacket4Life said:
The lack of draft picks is concerning, but it's far more an indictment on coaching and not talent level alone. We have talented players, they just aren't being developed. Usually you see guys like Carp and Thomas take off in the NFL with better structure & coaching.
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None of what you just typed is true.
 
gtchief said:
I guess we'll see either way. Both how the defense looks with new faces and how those guys pan out in the NFL
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We will. Time always tell. I could be wrong, but those guys have the raw, physical abilities and flashed it times over the last few years. A lot of our 2ndary issues over the last few years, were a combo of scheme & fundamentals, both easily correctable. Aside from not having better quality of athletes like the mutts have under Bowl Cut Kirby, our fundamentals were atrocious.
 
YellowJacket4Life said:
It's very true. But for sake of discourse, why do opine that it's not?
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Look at Tech’s draft picks historically. Have we always had bad coaching? Would you consider CPJ a good coach? How many draft picks did he have that we’re highly rated out of high school?
 
GTWannaBee said:
Look at Tech’s draft picks historically. Have we always had bad coaching? Would you consider CPJ a good coach? How many draft picks did he have that we’re highly rated out of high school?
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I think it's fair to say that visible performance regression is an indictment of poor coaching and player development. Carpenter, Swilling, Thomas, Devin Cochran were all guys that performed at all-conference levels early-mid career and were on NFL radars before falling off a cliff due to very poor play their junior/senior seasons. The other Swilling went from a rotational LB as a tFR to a guy that never saw the field; and we've jerked guys like Charlie Thomas and Demetrius Knight around to different positions too much for them to translate their athletic ability into being very good players. And all of our super athletic 4/5 star transfers have been busts because we struggle to channel their raw talent into anything serviceable.

Of the athletic/talented guys we have had, the coaching staff has done a poor job of helping them get better and/or get to the next level.
 
The Champ said:
I think it's fair to say that visible performance regression is an indictment of poor coaching and player development. Carpenter, Swilling, Thomas, Devin Cochran were all guys that performed at all-conference levels early-mid career and were on NFL radars before falling off a cliff due to very poor play their junior/senior seasons. The other Swilling went from a rotational LB as a tFR to a guy that never saw the field; and we've jerked guys like Charlie Thomas and Demetrius Knight around to different positions too much for them to translate their athletic ability into being very good players. And all of our super athletic 4/5 star transfers have been busts because we struggle to channel their raw talent into anything serviceable.

Of the athletic/talented guys we have had, the coaching staff has done a poor job of helping them get better and/or get to the next level.
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When did they perform like all conference players?
 
GTWannaBee said:
Look at Tech’s draft picks historically. Have we always had bad coaching? Would you consider CPJ a good coach? How many draft picks did he have that we’re highly rated out of high school?
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I think you're running with a bit of strawman here. First, Tech has had, like all programs, good and bad coaching with all sorts of varying degrees of success in the draft. Thats just football. One or the other doesn't inherently mean good or poor player development as I think its more staff oriented. HC gets too much blame for "developing talent" as they very seldom work exclusively with any 1 position group.

We have had some lower ranked guys blossom in the NFL and others who were higher ranked, not do as well. That's the ebb and flow of college transitioning to the pro.

The guys I mentioned all regressed (as another poster pointed out) upon Collins regime taking over and getting going. The guys I mentioned have all the physical tools to be very good pros, with better coaching they were getting at Tech. A lot of the issues we had on defense were fundamentals and scheme. You put them in a more scheme fit defense and coaches who will coach them up & that's all they need. They didn't suddenly become inept.

CPJ was a fine coach, Xs and Os wise, but I wouldn't say he was some great developer of talent, far and above any of the others. His offensive system was a big hindrance to talent.

I say all this knowing I could easily be wring, but I think Carp and Thomas can both stick in the league for a long time without being studs.
 
GoGATech said:
Wow some people don't understand football very well. That play is a quick hitter designed to go to the right. Cochran doesn't delay. He takes a step with his right foot to the inside to force his man outside. He's already done his job at this point because his man isn't going to make the tackle. That would be a pretty egregious holding call IMO because EVERY lineman grabs inside the shoulders on nearly ever play.
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I understand very well. I understand the play. I understand that he committed a totally unnecessary, blatant, hold on a play going to the other side.

Blatant as öööö. With his hands stretched out far away from the body and completely turning the defender. And your last statement is easily provable to be total horseshit by just looking at that video and seeing that "EVERY lineman" is not grabbing a defender like that. In fact . . . no one else is.

But if you actually believe (wrongly) that this kind of obvious holding is committed and not called on every play, maybe you can post some clips to back that up and I'll retract my comment. TIA!
 
00Burdell said:
To be perfectly clear, I loved the Zero for Texas. Nothing else.
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Lived in Austin out of GT in the late 70's. I didn't think I'd experience another fanbase that thought they invented football - like those pissants to the east. But yes, and they feel anointed. It's great to watch the last 10 years and see them squirm... older brother GT 1976 retired there, has a lot of UT friends and I tell him to tell them, piss on them too!
 
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