Why didn't Gaily go for 2?

SloMotion · Sep 14, 2003

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NCJACKET I guess you are right. We are idiots. We lost 14-13 the difference in going for a 2 point conversion.[/QB][/QUOTE]

Say it was 14-14 then what, FSU kicks the field goal from the 15 with 2 min left, I guess you are an idiot

AWB · Sep 14, 2003

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Those kids played great - and Chan Gailey and his staff called a good game - their plan worked. Admit it, FSU's receivers are world class, and our kids kept them under raps until the pressure of being tired, and the lack of "talented depth from the bench" (ten players academically dismissed), opened a few opportunities to move the ball - FSU does not ignore scoring opportunities, and they proved their point when our kids were wearing down.

Our defense played well, our running backs and our receivers were outstanding, and Reggie Ball,....... dear Lord, just keep that kid healthy. Two or three players, experienced from the year before, proven to be effective under pressure, available to shift in and out of the game, is all that team is missing. And Chan Gailey "still" made things happen - that's impressive!!!

To come off a big win against Auburn last week, and to continue to keep that intensity against FSU - that's a well coached, highly disciplined "Team" with a bright future - this year is going to depend on lack of injury, on field maturity of freshmen players, and a positive outlook from one game to the next. A winning season, this year, is posibble. If you were NC State or Maryland, or Wake Forrest, would you feel comfortable playing Georgia Tech?

I was proud to watch that game with with my friends up here from the Big Ten Conference. They were impressed too. Go Jackets!!!
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MsTechAnalysis · Sep 14, 2003

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Originally posted by UncleBee:
TO :GMC, OfficiallyBuzz, MacDaddy2

Why don't you three just go away. You are not True Tech fans. I wondered how long the naysayers would wait. You are disgusting.

NO GT FAN SHOULD EVER LIKE LOSING!!! I SEE GT FANS ON THIS BOARD ALL OVER THIS PLACE NOT LIKING TO LOSE!

BeerNutts · Sep 14, 2003

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Originally posted by MsTechAnalysis:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by UncleBee:
TO :GMC, OfficiallyBuzz, MacDaddy2

Why don't you three just go away. You are not True Tech fans. I wondered how long the naysayers would wait. You are disgusting.

NO GT FAN SHOULD EVER LIKE LOSING!!! I SEE GT FANS ON THIS BOARD ALL OVER THIS PLACE NOT LIKING TO LOSE!

<hr /></blockquote>MsTech, I don't think people are really happy we lost. What they are excited about though, is how under-rated GT was (24 points by the "experts"), how well we played (Esp, defensively), and how we DOMINATED a team FAR superior to ours talent-wise. From the beginning og the year, you and many other critics of Tech had Tech doing nothing, had us getting killed by Auburn and FSU. We now truly believe in our team, and it has helped our spirits. Don't be so damn negative (sorry for cussing) about something that has tons of positive in it. The BIGGEST negative is we lost, but don't tell me there was nothing positive about the game.

MsTechAnalysis · Sep 14, 2003

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AS fans of this team, finding some solace in coming close is not acceptable. Do you think the players/coaches feel that way TODAY!? I sincerely doubt it AND they shouldn't.

I would hope they are mad as hell because this game was theirs and it slipped away. No consolation prizes here. When any team starts accepting the "we were that close attitude" we are doomed.

They gave great effort and I feel were the better team last night but did not win. Based on 3 games played, GT should be 3-0, that's how much I think they were better then the competition. I believe they know that as well.

Beating the spread and coming close is for losers - victories are why these games are played. This loss can hurt this team more then any moral victory. Let's hope for their sakes, they regroup, put it behind them and grab those wins when you played BETTER then the team on the other side of the field!

BeerNutts · Sep 14, 2003

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Originally posted by MsTechAnalysis:
AS fans of this team, finding some solace in coming close is not acceptable. Do you think the players/coaches feel that way TODAY!? I sincerely doubt it AND they shouldn't.

I would hope they are mad as hell because this game was theirs and it slipped away. No consolation prizes here. When any team starts accepting the "we were that close attitude" we are doomed.

They gave great effort and I feel were the better team last night but did not win. Based on 3 games played, GT should be 3-0, that's how much I think they were better then the competition. I believe they know that as well.

Beating the spread and coming close is for losers - victories are why these games are played. This loss can hurt this team more then any moral victory. Let's hope for their sakes, they regroup, put it behind them and grab those wins when you played BETTER then the team on the other side of the field!

If I were on the team, I'd expect to win every time. And when we lost, it'd tear me up, I wouldn't (and didn't) care who we lost to.

But, regardless of being a fan or a player, you look at a game and analyze it. Now, if we analyze it, was anything positive seen in this game? I'd say yes. What would you say? You skirted my question again, and you're trying to sound like Lombardi ("Wining is not everything, it's the only thing.") I never said anything about a "moral victory." I said, we as fans, while analyzing the game, saw alot of positives, and, we have a better feeling of how good or bad out team really is. Right now, we have a feelign they are better than we all expected.

MsTech, right now, in your opinion, would you say GT is better than you thought they would be at this point before the BYU game?

MsTechAnalysis · Sep 14, 2003

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Don't take this is a Chan Bash but I thought GT was better then how they ended up last year, that's why I complained.

Based on the first 3 games - they were better then the 3 teams we played and we are 1-2. This is a game by game summary because we are all taking that route because we just don't know after last season and what has occurred in the off season.

But, after 3 games - I think GT should be 3-0.

chilidogking · Sep 14, 2003

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Originally posted by MacDaddy2:
I will take this really S L O W so you do not spill chili on that seersocker shirt of yours.

Let's see if we had gone for 2 and made it, we wouldn't have gone for it on 4th down and FSU wuouldn;t have had the ball on OUR 20. Had we gone for 2 and didn't make it, the situation is still the same.

Please don't be like CCG, think through the situations before you do something

They marched the ball downfield on us at will in the 4th qtr. To criticize them not going for 2 with that much time left in the game is assanine.

Even if we did make it, I don't think we would've won. Our offense was non-existant after PJ's run.

Obviously you are someone I know, so next time I see you please remind me to kick you in the nuts.

chilidogking · Sep 14, 2003

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Originally posted by MsTechAnalysis:
Don't take this is a Chan Bash but I thought GT was better then how they ended up last year, that's why I complained.

Based on the first 3 games - they were better then the 3 teams we played and we are 1-2. This is a game by game summary because we are all taking that route because we just don't know after last season and what has occurred in the off season.

But, after 3 games - I think GT should be 3-0.

MsTA, if you really think our team is better than FSU overall, I'd really like to have some of what you're smoking.

If we win out, then will you shut the hell up?
What's it going to take? Seriously, if we win every game but then lose in a bowl I bet you will complain that we should've been national champions.

If we had ANY depth on D we would've won last night. We're undermanned and they just ran out of gas....

GTPilot · Sep 15, 2003

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How about taking the Dolphins loss to the Texans last week as a good example. Miami score with plenty of time left in the game and goes for 2. The end up losing the game 21-20 because they went for 2 rather than kicking the extra point.

The fact is that our defense had held them all night long and there was plenty of time left on the clock. Also, keep in mind that we had the ball on their goalline and couldn't put it in the endzone in the first half. Not exactly motivation to try it again.

ncjacket · Sep 15, 2003

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I'll try again. If we go for 2 and miss we're up 12 with over 12 minutes to go. FSU was moving the ball well and could have won with 1 TD and 2 FG. If we make it we're up 14 and they need 2TDs to tie. Which is more likely? 2 tds or 1 and 2 fgs? I don't know, do you?

With less time on the clock I think you probably do go for 2. There wouldn't be time for FSU to make 3 drives then.

You also have to consider that we almost got into FG range ourselves on the last drive. So with a lot of time left you don't assume you can't score again.

It's one of those decisions coaches have to make. Sometimes they work out, sometimes they don't. Just as O'Leary had his issues after the Clemson game, some will disagree with Chan here. But the other thing to consider is that if we had gone for 2 and made it, everything that played out from then on out would have been different. So we don't know how significant that would have been because we don't know what else might have happened.

MsTechAnalysis · Sep 15, 2003

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Originally posted by chilidogking:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MsTechAnalysis:
Don't take this is a Chan Bash but I thought GT was better then how they ended up last year, that's why I complained.

Based on the first 3 games - they were better then the 3 teams we played and we are 1-2. This is a game by game summary because we are all taking that route because we just don't know after last season and what has occurred in the off season.

But, after 3 games - I think GT should be 3-0.

MsTA, if you really think our team is better than FSU overall, I'd really like to have some of what you're smoking.

If we win out, then will you shut the hell up?
What's it going to take? Seriously, if we win every game but then lose in a bowl I bet you will complain that we should've been national champions.

If we had ANY depth on D we would've won last night. We're undermanned and they just ran out of gas....<hr /></blockquote>I disagree with you...and why would I shut up - try again/. We're all fans of the same team but I expect to win when we play better then the other team!!

Even undermanned we were the better team Sat. night, played better, made more plays and had the game in hand - should have won. When are the excuses for losing going to stop! There were many times in previous years that FSU was better then everyone but ON THIS NIGHT they were not better then GT.

Maybe if we play FSU 2 out of 3 they might win but not last night - GT outplayed them and we lost!

MsTechAnalysis · Sep 15, 2003

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This whole thing would not even be discussed if Chan had gone for a field goal at the beginning of the game instead of going for the TD at the goal line!

We all agreed (those watching with me) that could be big - it was! It was early in the game, not late, and I would have taken an almost sure 3 pts. We all second guessed that call...

chilidogking · Sep 15, 2003

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Originally posted by MsTechAnalysis:
This whole thing would not even be discussed if Chan had gone for a field goal at the beginning of the game instead of going for the TD at the goal line!

We all agreed (those watching with me) that could be big - it was! It was early in the game, not late, and I would have taken an almost sure 3 pts. We all second guessed that call...

You are right. If we had gotten a field goal at the beginning of the game, EVERY play afterwards would have been exactly the same.

That might be the stupidest comment you've ever made.

I don't second guess that call at all. Can't pass on a chance to get up a touchdown in Tallahasee. If we had scored, then using your logic we wouldn't be having this argument.

MsTechAnalysis · Sep 15, 2003

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Originally posted by chilidogking:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MsTechAnalysis:
This whole thing would not even be discussed if Chan had gone for a field goal at the beginning of the game instead of going for the TD at the goal line!

We all agreed (those watching with me) that could be big - it was! It was early in the game, not late, and I would have taken an almost sure 3 pts. We all second guessed that call...

You are right. If we had gotten a field goal at the beginning of the game, EVERY play afterwards would have been exactly the same.

That might be the stupidest comment you've ever made.

I don't second guess that call at all. Can't pass on a chance to get up a touchdown in Tallahasee. If we had scored, then using your logic we wouldn't be having this argument.<hr /></blockquote>Are you NOT speculating like the rest of us...? I would think so. We all agreed take the 3 NOW. Plenty of time in the game for other scoring. In Tallahasse - I go for 3 early!

GT_Dean · Sep 15, 2003

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Originally posted by OfficiallyBuzz:

It is great that some don’t support CG.

Sorry, but it is not GREAT that some don't support CCG. How the hell can that be good?
Ok, son, you sucked on your last spelling test. I can't support you anymore.
Sounds great doesn't it!
You guys are unfreakin believable!!!!!!!

JJacket · Sep 15, 2003

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Originally posted by MacDaddy2:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by chilidogking:
Everyone who thinks that 2 point conversion made one difference in the outcome of this game is a damn idiot.

Did you see how much time was left when that happened? GIVE IT A REST.

Speculating that the outcome of the game would've been different because of that decision (ASSUMING we converted it) is absoultely ridiculous.

You want to play the speculation game? Ok, how about this...
I guess you failed to notice the fact that FSU got down to the 20 and chose not to kick a FG with 2 minutes left. I'll speculate that they would've made it. We get the ball back and do nothing. We lose 17-14 using your weak logic.

Better yet, if the refs hadn't made a couple of crucial calls in our favor in the last 2 minutes, the score might've been 21-13 anyway.

So how about you get your head out of your A$$ and realize that our team - the one that practically no one expected to do anything this year - just went toe to toe with one of the best teams IN THE COUNTRY for 60 minutes.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the closest we've ever come to beating FSU since they've been in the ACC. It was a tremendous effort by Tech all night. I cannot believe you're going to b1tch about that 2 point conversion.

Would I have gone for 2? Hell yes I would've. But did it change the outcome of the game? There is ABSOLUTELY no way to tell.

I felt sick already after the end of the game, but you have definitely made me sicker. Pathetic.

I will take this really S L O W so you do not spill chili on that seersocker shirt of yours.

Let's see if we had gone for 2 and made it, we wouldn't have gone for it on 4th down and FSU wuouldn;t have had the ball on OUR 20. Had we gone for 2 and didn't make it, the situation is still the same.

Please don't be like CCG, think through the situations before you do something<hr /></blockquote>You are of course assuming we MAKE the 2 pointer (low probability) and assuming that every play for the rest of the game would be identical to the last night (unlikely). Maybe we should speak S L O W E R to you. The game was still relatively in check. The offense was still looking fairly good at that point. You don't take guaranteed points off of the board if it isn't absolutely neccessary. Few coaches would go for 2 at that point. The chances of them getting a TD and a couple of field goals is much greater than the chances of 2 TD's in the second half. If we miss the 2 pointer, FSU can drive to get the touchdown, get a FG and win with a FG. Then you'd blast Gailey for going for 2.

GMC 68 · Sep 15, 2003

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I started this thread because I questioned the decision to not go for two late in the game. The history of the GT/FSU series shows that FSU tends to come back strong against us late in the game. I felt that being up by 14 would force FSU to go for two TDs rather than field goals.

The discussion has turned to the decision to go for the TD early and not kick the field goal. I support CG totally on that decision. there is a good article in the AJC on this game. Part of the story states:

"Kicking a field goal on fourth down was not an option for a team that entered the game a 24-point underdog, coach Chan Gailey said. 'I'd do the same thing again next time,' he said. 'I thought we should take the chance and try to score a touchdown.'"

I believe CG was right on this call. I disagree on the fourth quarter call.

Finally thare have been too many personal attacks in this thread. Why can't we all respect each other as GT fans and accept that we all feel differently about situations in a game? Bottm line is we will all be BDS/GF Saturday night cheering our beloved Jackets.

BeerNutts · Sep 15, 2003

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Originally posted by MsTechAnalysis:
Don't take this is a Chan Bash but I thought GT was better then how they ended up last year, that's why I complained.

Based on the first 3 games - they were better then the 3 teams we played and we are 1-2. This is a game by game summary because we are all taking that route because we just don't know after last season and what has occurred in the off season.

But, after 3 games - I think GT should be 3-0.

Good non-answer. BTW, there is no such thing as "we should be," only we are. Playing that game is for losers. We're 1-2 because we won 1 game and lost 2.

MsTechAnalysis · Sep 15, 2003

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Originally posted by BeerNutts:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MsTechAnalysis:
Don't take this is a Chan Bash but I thought GT was better then how they ended up last year, that's why I complained.

Based on the first 3 games - they were better then the 3 teams we played and we are 1-2. This is a game by game summary because we are all taking that route because we just don't know after last season and what has occurred in the off season.

But, after 3 games - I think GT should be 3-0.

Good non-answer. BTW, there is no such thing as "we should be," only we are. Playing that game is for losers. We're 1-2 because we won 1 game and lost 2.<hr /></blockquote>BeerNuts: My complaint is the same ... we have played 3 games and were better then the teams we played. YOU fill in the blanks as to why we are 1-2 and NOT 3-0!

By the way, the 'we should be's' are why coaches get critiqued and eventually fired. Different season, same scenario as last. EVEN with all GT's misfortunes, GT HAS PLAYED 3 GAMES where the 2 losses should not exist!

Are we better then I thought yes, but I ALSO THOUGHT WE WERE BETTER LAST YEAR AND WE STILL LOSS GAMES WE SHOULD HAVE WON! The only game last season where we were inferior to the team we played was UGAG, not Clemson, not Wake, not Fresno, not Maryland! I'm a realist...

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