WHY is recruiting SO MUCH better this year...?

It's because a lot more Cadillac Escalades are being handed out by mysterious middle-aged men. :laugher:

Seriously, I think it's mainly due to the high profile wins over Auburn and Miami last year.
 
But Hiver, why did it take four years for the head man to see that the job was not getting done?
 
oldfoggy said:
But Hiver, why did it take four years for the head man to see that the job was not getting done?
Who effin' cares if he did it a year or 2 too late? He made the change and the change appears to be working.

Are you the official mouthpiece of buzzoff now - throwing the wet blanket on every thread?
 
oldfoggy said:
But Hiver, why did it take four years for the head man to see that the job was not getting done?

Part of my answer is like ContactBuzz said...all we can do is assess if we have the right plan moving forward from now...which we do. We cannot change the past. I think all will agree with have the right setup now to be a recruiting machine....which is hard to do at GTech (as the high school players are calling us now.)

What took so long? It was a combination of some gems in the small recruiting classes, CG learning what it took in the recruiting game as opposed to NFL, dealing with a friend of 20-25 years in Wilson, and pathetic advice from Braine when he went to him with personnel concerns that "things will not get much better". Heck...CG wanted to keep more of the original asst. staff that was left over but Braine told him all of the staff needed to go.
 
We should all be holding our heads HIGH w/ this recruiting class. We've already wrestled these recruits away from some BIG programs....We should also be sending thank you cards to the schools that lost these big recruiting coaches that enabled us to FORM such a "recruiting machine" like hiveredtech is speaking of....Let the past be in the past & let's move on into the future!
 
hiveredtech said:
Heck...CG wanted to keep more of the original asst. staff that was left over but Braine told him all of the staff needed to go.

Hey Red,

Any idea if Geoff was someone CG wanted to keep? GC has impressed me from Day One under GOL.
 
There's also an extraordinary % of top talent in GA this year that care about academics.
 
How much higher? Georgia overall has moved up to 46th in the nation from 49th.

...but the scores of the top football prospects are what matters...
 
Techbert said:
Hey Red,

Any idea if Geoff was someone CG wanted to keep? GC has impressed me from Day One under GOL.

CG was told to not even interview them...and just keep O'Brien and Spencer to hold the recruiting class together.

Let me put it this way. Geoff has been staying in touch with Gailey ever since he went to Western Carolina. Gailey also thought a lot of Spencer...among others. Quite frankly, I think Spencer probably thought he would be a defensive coordinator at Duke by now instead of the recruiting coordinator and defensive backs coach.

Gailey seems to be thrilled with Tenuta, Jean-Marie, and Giff Smith...so I do not see any additions to the defensive staff happening. I also think Geoff Collins would get the first shot at one over there if it opened up, with exception of defensive coordinator.
 
ContactBuzz said:
Who effin' cares if he did it a year or 2 too late? He made the change and the change appears to be working.

Are you the official mouthpiece of buzzoff now - throwing the wet blanket on every thread?

Of course I'm no mouthpiece for BO. They can fight their own battles. Had you not been banned there you might have read my posts to several. I'm realistic, I refuse to be seduced by false hope and promises. CG said win the ACC and etc.

If you were a manager and I think not, if you had an employee who was not pulling his/her weight you would have been on the out side looking. GT football is big business. Look at the budget many businesses would love to have a budget like that.

Loyalty is one thing but blind loyalty is another. I think from your post that you feel it was OK for CG to allow a what ever he was to continue to not perform and to just, if true, do nothing. I posted several years ago that you can not recruit if the recruiters don't get out and convince the players that Tech is the place. How many visits were left wanting? Many.
 
Had you not been banned there you might have read my posts to several.
I've only been to the board once - when someone started a thread about me.

I've never registered therefore I've never been banned. Buzzoff doesn't deserve my attention.
 
ContactBuzz said:
I've only been to the board once - when someone started a thread about me.

I've never registered therefore I've never been banned. Buzzoff doesn't deserve my attention.

That was not the purpose of my post to U so answer the questions and statements I posed to you. You can't do it logically, maybe emotionally but not logically!
 
I think from your post that you feel it was OK for CG to allow a what ever he was to continue to not perform and to just, if true, do nothing. I posted several years ago that you can not recruit if the recruiters don't get out and convince the players that Tech is the place. How many visits were left wanting? Many.

...so do you think he should have fired our previous recruiting coordinator before landing Calvin Johnson, or after landing him?

Feel free to worm your way out of answering the question.
 
beej67 said:
...

Feel free to worm your way out of answering the question.

Worm my way out you must be joking or just not knowledgeable. Calvin, had stated his intentions to become an engineer, of course he changed but where else could he go to be an engineer with a national reputation and D1 football except GT? If you think one diamond is worth getting many lumps of coal then OK. But now we have that diamond and he's used very sparsely. Now I support the SA's good or bad as they let it all hang out on Saturdays.
 
oldfoggy said:
That was not the purpose of my post to U so answer the questions and statements I posed to you. You can't do it logically, maybe emotionally but not logically!

oldfoggy, no offense intended here but if you put something in a post then it most certainly is part of the purpose of it or at the very least it becomes open to the interpretation of the reader as to what your purpose was in putting that information in.

You can't just throw out snippets of "trash-talk" or little jibes at someone and not expect them to take it as such and respond.

As to your other point I think you pose a legitimate question about allowing particular behaviors to continue for so long. In hindsight it most certainly should have been addressed long ago but I would submit that it is possible that Chan, being unfamiliar with the college environment thought that some folks really did know what they were doing and that it wasn't their fault that we weren't recruiting better. I don't mean this in any way to be a justification and it is not a compliment to CG that it took this long to figure it out so don't take it as such.

On the other hand, he finally did figure it out and perhaps with the right people in place and some new, fresh ideas and perspective from our AD (I remain extremely happy that D-Rad is our still somewhat new AD) we'll begin to see the fruits of the unfortunately long learning period sooner rather than later as we've already had to wait quite a while for a higher level of football at GT than we've had lately. I expect better than 7 wins a year like I expected to beat ND and I'm not happy that we lost to ND, don't take it as a moral victory (though I did see some positives), and I won't be happy with 7 wins this year if that's all we get as I believe we are capable of better than that.

As something of a pre-emptive strike I won't answer the obvious followup question to that statement which is "what should GT do if we do NOT achieve better than 7 wins this year?" I won't answer because I need to see how the season plays out before making any determinations about the proper solutions if that were to happen so I'm not dodging the question I just would need to see the season to try to figure out the solution.
 
Of course they are not really trash talking, not meant to offend but to draw attention of a particular point. In your eloquent post you stated that CG had a learning curve. OK, if that's true why was he hired in the 1st place. Since he's come, recruiting has been down, play has been down. I think his loyalty is questionable at best. When I was a manager I knew what my people were doing and if CG did not know what he people were doing, then again why was he hired. This thread is not about CG but recruiting. Did Rad, yes I like the guy very much, force the changes, did Rad step up and tell them recruiting was the pitts with few exceptions, I don't know and what really happened may never be known.

Oh yes, I never spoke about the no. of wins needed by Tech this year or next.

EDIT: If Rad had forced the changes why was he able to see changes needed to be made and yet CG did not.
 
oldfoggy said:
If Rad had forced the changes why was he able to see changes needed to be made and yet CG did not.

The changes were made before Rad was hired.

Give it a break, fog. Barring a complete collaspe, which AIN"T gonna happen, Gailey is gonna be on the flats for a long time.

The most you can hope for will be for a new OC at the end of the season, but why dont we see how things pan out in the next few games before calling for heads to roll.
 
oldfoggy said:
Of course they are not really trash talking, not meant to offend but to draw attention of a particular point. In your eloquent post you stated that CG had a learning curve. OK, if that's true why was he hired in the 1st place. Since he's come, recruiting has been down, play has been down. I think his loyalty is questionable at best. When I was a manager I knew what my people were doing and if CG did not know what he people were doing, then again why was he hired. This thread is not about CG but recruiting. Did Rad, yes I like the guy very much, force the changes, did Rad step up and tell them recruiting was the pitts with few exceptions, I don't know and what really happened may never be known.

Oh yes, I never spoke about the no. of wins needed by Tech this year or next.

I know you didn't speak of a number of wins and didn't meant to imply that you did. That was simply my own addition to the topic :)

As for why Chan Gailey was hired I suspect that the reasons are mainly that Dave Braine thought he would be a perfect fit for Georgia Tech as our head coach. Why? I believe that Dave Braine felt that winning consistently at GT is very difficult and requires not just football acumen, which I still believe Chan Gailey possesses (whether folks agree or disagree is up for debate but the assumption is that Dave Braine thought of Chan as a top football guy and that's the point I'm making), but also an even temperament, a love of the region, and also strong convictions and personal strength of character. I think that Dave wanted someone he felt could do well at GT but also would want to STAY at GT instead of leave at the first sign of a better job offer which is why he picked someone with lots of experience instead of a young gun. I also think he probably knew that Chan would have something of a learning curve but felt confident that a combination of a good college staff and help from the administration along with removing any requirements for Chan to oversee the academic side of things would make that a shorter learning curve.

I think we know now that these assumptions about shortening the learning curve did nothing of the sort and in some cases had disastrous results.

I don't think that Chan was unaware of what was happening in his program and what people were and were not doing. I do think, however, that he might not have understood that the things that were happening were causing some of the difficulties. Sometimes it is hard to see the direct cause-effect relationships, especially when one of those might be a good friend.

I don't know if D-Rad told Chan about which coaching changes needed to happen. I have been told by some who's information I've come to trust that Chan has wanted to bring in Geoff Collins for quite some time and just needed to figure out a way to do so. Right now I choose to believe that the changes made were coming with or without a new AD as I haven't seen evidence that it was a direct cause-effect between the hiring of D-Rad and the changeover to Giff Smith as the RC though I recognize it is possible.

At my company we have a "new" CEO (came in early this year). One of the things he's said time and time again is that he does honor the past history of the company but at the same time people need to understand that it is a new time now and we can move forward as one by concentrating on today and the future or we can continue to look backwards and be stuck in the mud or worse, go backwards. At GT we have a new CEO as well and as a group we can support him and all his staff (which includes the football coaches) in an effort to make today and the future as bright as it can be or we can wallow in the past.

We see that our recruiting is improving by leaps and bounds and that should have an impact on next season and beyond. We have some challenges to overcome this year and next that I think our coaches and staff and players CAN meet (scholarship restrictions and having to play at VT a second year in a row are the kinds of things I mean). But I think we have a chance to unite behind D-Rad and all his programs and coaches and try to become a more unified fan base. This will be a slow process but I hope everyone is up for it. I know I am.

FWIW, I think most GT fans are very excited and positive about D-Rad and I am suggesting that this be extended to all of the programs under his command.
 
GEETEELEE said:
The changes were made before Rad was hired.

Give it a break, fog. Barring a complete collaspe, which AIN"T gonna happen, Gailey is gonna be on the flats for a long time.

The most you can hope for will be for a new OC at the end of the season, but why dont we see how things pan out in the next few games before calling for heads to roll.

Buzzoffer's will never accept such realism, Lee.
 
Bogey said:
Buzzoffer's will never accept such realism, Lee.

Of course I accept realism, it's the focrs like yourself who do not accept realism. I do not accept empty promises, I do not accept what has happened over the last 4 years. I do not accept the likes of what I have seen example ND/GT. Winnable games down the tubes. Realism is what we have seen for the last 4 years. Have you forgotten or do you accept it?

Maybe Braine less pushed the changes and if he did he may have actually earned his pay that week.
 
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