Why our coaching is awful- an example

PressManCoverage said:
Seriously dude, WTF is that?

Never heard that term in my life?

Is that some kinda inside joke among the Vets around here?
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It is his way of telling you you are under his skin.

Actually, the BBuzzoff board was formed by ööööty fans who wanted Chan Gailey fired from nearly the day he was hired. They left to go form a circle jerk board called BBuzzoff where they could just bitch all day long.

Really, @GTCrew4b should be the one leaving this board and forming his own butthurt board to cry on.
 
wesleyd21 said:
Yeah, that punt sequence was pathetic. It’s like our players don’t understand the game. Zero awareness. You see middle school teams with better awareness. Extremely frustrating.
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Apparently the coaches don't understand the game and have zero awareness too, or that would have corrected a long time ago.
 
mookie43 said:
We are behind 33-30. 3rd and 15. About 3:46 to play. Sims drops back and is sacked. Play clock resets at exactly 3:40 to go in the game. We have to punt. We snap the ball with exactly 1 second on the play clock. Punt is allowed to roll and play is blown dead with exactly 2:47 to play.

IT TOOK US :53 SECONDS TO PUNT THE BALL TO THEM WHEN WE NEEDED THE BALL BACK WITH AS MUCH TIME AS POSSIBLE.

You would have thought we were leading and killing time.

Punt team should have hurried on the field, got the punt off quickly and downed the ball if it was left to roll saving us 20-30 seconds that we needed at the end of the game.

This is part of why we lose games we should win
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Even the play before we ran the clock way down. We didn’t need to hurry but given it was 3rd and long we needed play at a good pace. I think we lost easily 45 seconds. These aren’t even strategic mistakes; it is being able to execute at a normal pace. We can’t even seem to do that when needed.

Others are correct that all teams make these little mistakes also but Tech is doing nothing to help itself win this year.
 
RaiderJacket said:
The OC never moved the pocket once that I can remember. Sims is better moving and a duel threat. He's not a pocket passer. The DC ran very few if any stunts or blitz packages. He also keeps the secondary in zone not man coverage so we can blitz. QBs are too comfortable. We have talent but need new coordinators.
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Trade offs.

When you move the pocket, in many cases you cut the Field in Half making it easier for the DBs to jump Routes and intercept passes, using Play Action like naked boots or a waggle to move the Pocket might work, but you gotta use it on 1st & 2 d down when they are expecting the run, once our Center went down, we could no longer run.

The Guy you're slamming - saying he ain't a pocket passer?

With 50 secs left after having a bad game, he was able to be mentally strong enough to flush that, and came out with 2 explosion pass plays that were nullified by a low snap and a holding, so IMO he's a good enough pocket passer right now that is working to improve.

Dude never quits, is a gamer and has the clutch gene, I'll take it at this point.
 
JJacket said:
Saban almost lost to a team with a lame duck head coach last night.
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You REALLY do not want to start comparing Saban's gameday results with Collins' right now. Or compare his with anyone else's. No one can cup his sack.
 
PressManCoverage said:
Well Coached Teams just so happen to be super talented Teams, when you are a high talent Player you don't need to "cheat & gamble" to make plays, you can play within whatever system and " let the Game come to you"

Do you honestly think that we Coach our Center to snap the ball low for at least 2 straight seasons, throwing off the timing on damn near every play?

Coaching is no more than 15 to 20% of it, once a Player is taught correctly in practice, IT IS UP TO THE PLAYER TO EXECUTE UNDER GAME PRESSURE!

We just don't have enough Talented Depth to yank poor, undisciplined performers, so they stay in the Game, and they keep effin' up, and you keep on with your rants about, "it's the coaching".

I hate to tell people that they are wrong, no wiggle room, no discussion, hard stop, but that's what most of y'all are, wrong, hard stop.

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This is an ignorant take. It just is. I’ve been coaching at the high school level for almost 10 years now, and I’ve seen it all. I’ve seen my players make mistakes as a result of things that I did not teach properly. I’ve seen my players make poor decisions when they were put in situations that I did not anticipate. As I gained experience or changed the way we practiced, I’ve also seen them stop making those mistakes. We routinely dominate teams with similar talent, because my kids know what they’re doing, are all on the same page, and trust each other to do their jobs. That being said, I’ve also lost games where I’ll admit the other team was better prepared. I got outcoached, so I learn to do my job differently so that my players are better prepared.

Of course the players are the most important thing. They actually play the game. But there’s a reason that great coaches tend to win pretty much everywhere they go. Maybe not so much at the professional level, but everywhere else, a coach is a teacher. Playcalling is important, but give me a coach who can truly teach his players how to do the little things right and hold them accountable for it. That’s why somebody like Nick Saban can be so successful even without doing anything creative with his system. Same goes for Brent Venables. Clemson has great players, sure, but it is impossible to sustain such a high standard for so long without a) teaching players what you need them to do and b) holding them accountable for doing it. I watch all of GT and Clemson’s games as a fan of both teams, and the difference on defense is crazy. Remember when Skalski blew up our 4th down shovel pass at Clemson? He specifically said he recognized the play from film sessions and knew exactly where to go. That’s coaching.
 
johncu said:
This is an ignorant take. It just is. I’ve been coaching at the high school level for almost 10 years now, and I’ve seen it all. I’ve seen my players make mistakes as a result of things that I did not teach properly.
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Which occurs MOST FREQUENTLY?

You the Coach not teaching something properly?

OR....

You the Coach teaching something properly and then the Player(s) get in Game situations and "spit the bit", absolutely choke and eff it up under Game pressure?

Be honest, you know damn well the latter happens about 5 times as much as the former.

Yet you'd rather come here and be deceptive just to "win the debate"

You know damn well at the College Level there is a great likelihood that the Coaches Teach the proper Technique, so your anecdotal HS stories probably don't apply at a P5 School.

Brent Key didn't just get stoopid after he started Coaching at GT, he had a different depth chart of OLs to coach, different Players!!
 
johncu said:
Remember when Skalski blew up our 4th down shovel pass at Clemson? He specifically said he recognized the play from film sessions and knew exactly where to go. That’s coaching.
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More agenda driven silliness from you!

Even if Skalski's Film study led him to diagnose that play, a quick, athletic OL, that doesn't whiff on the block still allows GT score on the Play, and I know damn well that CBK didn't teach our OL to take a bad angle and overrun the hole causing him to miss the Block.

What you fail to realize, is that it is very likely that both coaches on both sides taught their Players what to do under Game Pressure, but only one PLAYER executed his assignment properly.

Once that happens, guys like you come in after that fact and then try to bootstrap whatever narrative or agenda you want to fit your biased slant.

Because our Guy failed , CGC has to go to pressers and say "we fought hard, we battled", he cant say we repped that 10times for 2 different days this week and the idiot OL still effed it up.

Why can't you admit that both sides (coaching staffs) taught their Players the right way to do the right things, and under game pressure lesser talented Players choke, forcing CGC to go to pressers and give us more coachspeak than normal
 
PressManCoverage said:
Which occurs MOST FREQUENTLY?

You the Coach not teaching something properly?

OR....

You the Coach teaching something properly and then the Player(s) get in Game situations and "spit the bit", absolutely choke and eff it up under Game pressure?

Be honest, you know damn well the latter happens about 5 times as much as the former.

Yet you'd rather come here and be deceptive just to "win the debate"

You know damn well at the College Level there is a great likelihood that the Coaches Teach the proper Technique, so your anecdotal HS stories probably don't apply at a P5 School.

Brent Key didn't just get stoopid after he started Coaching at GT, he had a different depth chart of OLs to coach, different Players!!
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You are still not understanding. Just because the coach TELLS the players something doesn’t mean they get it or can do it properly. That’s why I specifically used the word TEACH. It’s also why teams practice instead of just watching film or listening to a coach tell them what to do. Players aren’t robots. They are 18-22 year olds that need motivation and training and WILL make mistakes unless they are properly coached not to do so.

If my players choke once, it’s a fluke. If they do it repeatedly, that’s on me. Nothing anecdotal about that, and every comment anyone makes on a message board isn’t about some agenda. Sure, I do think CPJ was a great coach, but it’s not like he’s the only one. Lots of coaches at all levels consistently beat teams with better athletes. That would not be possible without great coaching.
 
JJacket said:
It is his way of telling you you are under his skin.

Actually, the BBuzzoff board was formed by ööööty fans who wanted Chan Gailey fired from nearly the day he was hired. They left to go form a circle jerk board called BBuzzoff where they could just bitch all day long.

Really, @GTCrew4b should be the one leaving this board and forming his own butthurt board to cry on.
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It’s not surprising you don’t recognize WnE when you see him. It requires some level of intuitive reasoning and logic. Maybe I should’ve told him to go back to the AJC comments section if that’s more acceptable for you.
 
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