Will we be able to recruit with Chadwell O?

Longestdays said:
If Key won every game but UVA, he would get the same treatment.
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You're being serious?

Chadwell has all his recruits, he's been there since 2019 as HC winning games and building his program. He's winning a lot of close games this season against underwhelming competition. That's not a problem, it happens most places that sometimes you have to reload. I give him grace for this, acknowledging the situation and considering what he's accomplished. Key helped build a program and win games at UCF for 9 years and then spent 3 successful years at Alabama, against significantly better competition, even though having to reload every 3-4 years. However, at Tech he has had to contend with TFG tearing a program down for three years. At least acknowledge the situation he's in. It would make your case for Chadwell much stronger, IMPO, if you all wouldn't come across trying to suppress Key's accomplishments. If you have to do that to make CJC look better, it is not a good look for him.
 
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stinger78 said:
You're being serious?

Chadwell has all his recruits, he's been there since 2019 as HC winning games and building his program. He's winning a lot of close games this season against underwhelming competition. That's not a problem, it happens most places that sometimes you have to reload. I give him grace for this, acknowledging the situation and considering what he's accomplished. Key helped build a program and win games at UCF for 9 years and then spent 3 successful years at Alabama, against significantly better competition, even though having to reload every 3-4 years. However, at Tech he has had to contend with TFG tearing a program down for three years. At least acknowledge the situation he's in. It would make your case for Chadwell much stronger, IMPO, if you all wouldn't come across trying to suppress Key's accomplishments. If you have to do that to make CJC look better, it is not a good look for him.
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You got me wrong. I think the data on Key is limited. I think he showed stability during a season that could have been 1 and 11. I don’t give Key 100 percent credit for losses or wins.

no one knows if he can rebuild a team yet, only time will tell.
 
Longestdays said:
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You got me wrong. I think the data on Key is limited. I think he showed stability during a season that could have been 1 and 11. I don’t give Key 100 percent credit for losses or wins.

no one knows if he can rebuild a team yet, only time will tell.
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Right. Also, no one knows if Chadwell can scale his success to the P5 level. That was a question with CPJ even though he had a LONG history of success with multiple championships at the FCS level.

Both he and Key bring positives to the table. Both also bring negatives - or better, unknowns. Both bring a risk with them, but they are different risks. CJC has had to deal with a reloading year. CBK has had to deal with a banged up QB group behind a young, tentative, somewhat improving, yet banged-up OL.

Who knows? Just hire one of those two and let them at it. Only don't give either of them the stupid contract with the obscene buyout. Both have somethign to prove, and both should be willing to eat some of that risk.
 
aeromech said:
Are you just making stuff up? It looks like he got raped by the Portal:

2022 College Football Transfer Portal (247sports.com)
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Maybe I'm saying this wrong. What I meant to say is his talent evaluation is top-notch. Which is probably why he's getting raped by the portal. He's finding guys that go out there and kill it on the field, and then they get picked up by bigger schools. Now that would probably happen to us too, but he's clearly got an eye for talent. I would imagine at a Power 5 school he'd have a bit more street cred to pick off some talent out of the portal that no everyone is necessarily after.
 
You all act as if Key is down to some scrub 3rd string QB, not a guy that threw for 1262 yards, 10 TDs and 0 Ints last season. Geez stop with that BS.
 
EagleSting said:
That topic has been beaten to pieces, but at the end of the day a high recruiting class means nothing when your coach is brain dead. I'd stack a last place recruiting class coached by PJ over a #1 class coached by GC any day.
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aeromech said:
Collins could talk like a winner, when it was obvious it was all talk the top players went elsewhere; which is part of why Johnson was able to leave a better roster than Collins left.
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Examples of when their narrative of recruiting being the same or worse under Collins is challenged, they move the goalposts to “well CPJ was a better coach” (no öööö) and “well his best players left” (nothing to do with recruiting)
 
gtchief said:
Examples of when their narrative of recruiting being the same or worse under Collins is challenged, they move the goalposts to “well CPJ was a better coach” (no öööö) and “well his best players left” (nothing to do with recruiting)
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Outside of his first true class, recruiting was about the same under Collins. Turns out even if you are capable of being a better recruiter, you can only do so much while being a bad coach.
 
gtgtgt1 said:
@Longestdays what's your takeaway on Chadwell?
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Chadwell has improved 3 different programs, that is good data. He has not coached a P5 school (same as CPJ). He runs an Xs and Os offense that is his design (same as CPJ). He states he has spent time seeing what works and what does not work. He has shown he will change and not re-enforce failure. Chadwell has not achieved as much as CPJ at this point in his career.

This is not CPJ’s offense. Chadwell's offense will not attack the line as effectively. Chadwell's offense and blocking does have advantages for improved passing. His option gives more time for defenses to react, but trades for more effective passing possibilities. His offence has increased passing percentages as time has progressed.

The kids will like the looks of Chadwells offense as it is more like “traditional” football with shotgun QB and traditional blocking. There will be some media issues with the triple option perception.

There are no king's X and no promise he will come to GT and win 11 win seasons. This is GT and we are underfunded with modern day issues around NIL, transfer portal, and the APR anchor (each one making GT a less able to compete school). I would expect similar to CPJ unless we do something different with the school. I would love him to come to GT. But, career wise, he should wait for a program that is better funded that has a place to hide athletes in school.
 
Longestdays said:
Chadwell has improved 3 different programs, that is good data. He has not coached a P5 school (same as CPJ). He runs an Xs and Os offense that is his design (same as CPJ). He states he has spent time seeing what works and what does not work. He has shown he will change and not re-enforce failure. Chadwell has not achieved as much as CPJ at this point in his career.

This is not CPJ’s offense. Chadwell's offense will not attack the line as effectively. Chadwell's offense and blocking does have advantages for improved passing. His option gives more time for defenses to react, but trades for more effective passing possibilities. His offence has increased passing percentages as time has progressed.

The kids will like the looks of Chadwells offense as it is more like “traditional” football with shotgun QB and traditional blocking. There will be some media issues with the triple option perception.

There are no king's X and no promise he will come to GT and win 11 win seasons. This is GT and we are underfunded with modern day issues around NIL, transfer portal, and the APR anchor (each one making GT a less able to compete school). I would expect similar to CPJ unless we do something different with the school. I would love him to come to GT. But, career wise, he should wait for a program that is better funded that has a place to hide athletes in school.
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Appreciate the thorough response. I remember watching your in-depth breakdown on YT with CPJ. Hope all is well
 
gtchief said:
Examples of when their narrative of recruiting being the same or worse under Collins is challenged, they move the goalposts to “well CPJ was a better coach” (no öööö) and “well his best players left” (nothing to do with recruiting)
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Our best players right now, four freaking years later, are still CPJ recruits.
 
aeromech said:
Our best players right now, four freaking years later, are still CPJ recruits.
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And? No one’s refuting these goalposts, including this new one:

PJ’s a better coach

Collins’ best recruits left

Best players are, surprise, some upperclassmen

Nothing to do with the original claim of recruiting being the same or worse than under PJ. With the factual things you can actually claim, it’s strange to keep drawing from this dry well.
 
gtchief said:
And? No one’s refuting these goalposts, including this new one:

PJ’s a better coach

Collins’ best recruits left

Best players are, surprise, some upperclassmen

Nothing to do with the original claim of recruiting being the same or worse than under PJ. With the factual things you can actually claim, it’s strange to keep drawing from this dry well.
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Wonder what an average coach can do with a 42 versus 50 ranking?

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aeromech said:
Our best players right now, four freaking years later, are still CPJ recruits.
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Yep. Charley Thomas (1st), Zamari Walton (1st), TK Chimedza (2nd), Malachi Carter (1st), Dontae Smith (1st), and William Lay (2nd) all on the 2-deep in the 4th season. Also, Jaylon King (1st) was starting until he suffered a season-ending knee injury. That's 7 players. Peje Harris also has 6 receptions on the season as a backup TE.
 
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