Worst Coach Rankings

carober18 said:
I briefly looked at it, and it seems as though this thing is based solely on last year. Also, it does not give any credit (whether there should or not) with getting good players in the program. Seems like some math professor, etc. had a little too much time on his hands and too little amount of competence.
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It's not based solely on last year. It's based on a weighted average of the winning percentages over the tenure of the coach with the seasons being weighted more as time goes on.

Also, it's NOT a measure of the coach's overall legacy, but the current state of the program based on past performance.

Urban Meyer is ranked lower because Steve Spurrier did the same exact thing with Florida in the 1990s. Bowden is ranked lower because he went from 10-11 seasons to 7 win seasons. The formula recognizes this. It all works out.

Some more data must be inputted. I haven't put Joepa's NCs in there yet and a few other things. I will be tweaking it a little too.
 
GTKyle said:
It's not based solely on last year. It's based on a weighted average of the winning percentages over the tenure of the coach with the seasons being weighted more as time goes on.

Also, it's NOT a measure of the coach's overall legacy, but the current state of the program based on past performance.

Urban Meyer is ranked lower because Steve Spurrier did the same exact thing with Florida in the 1990s. Bowden is ranked lower because he went from 10-11 seasons to 7 win seasons. The formula recognizes this. It all works out.

Some more data must be inputted. I haven't put Joepa's NCs in there yet and a few other things. I will be tweaking it a little too.
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What planet are you from? Spurrier didn't do anything close to what Meyer's done thus far (even though I love the guy to deat)

Spurrier won 1 championship in 10 yrs....Meyer's won 2 out of the last 3 and possibly an upcoming 3rd

Don't put anything else in this thing. Destroy it

If you decide to keep working on it, do us all a favor and Please for the love of God don't bother us with it.

It's the dumbest @#$%'ing thing I've ever wasted time looking at
 
THWG_Nuff Said said:
What planet are you from? Spurrier didn't do anything close to what Meyer's done thus far (even though I love the guy to deat)

Spurrier won 1 championship in 10 yrs....Meyer's won 2 out of the last 3 and possibly an upcoming 3rd

Don't put anything else in this thing. Destroy it

If you decide to keep working on it, do us all a favor and Please for the love of God don't bother us with it.

It's the dumbest @#$%'ing thing I've ever wasted time looking at
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So basically you disagree with one or two coaches and now the whole model sucks?

Please...
 
Brady Hoke (the coach at San Diego State) was definitely at Ball State last year, and about 5 years before that. Which means he doesn't have the required 1 year at the school.
 
SeePops said:
Brady Hoke (the coach at San Diego State) was definitely at Ball State last year, and about 5 years before that. Which means he doesn't have the required 1 year at the school.
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thanks! updated.
 
I think the model is a little more accurate now. I changed the years of comparison. For example, a coach that has coached for 3 years is compared to the previous 6 years. A coach that has coached for 5 years is compared to the previous 10 years, etc, up to 10 years. Bobby Bowden and Joepa have their 10 year "effective" winning percentages compared to the previous 20 years.
 
GTKyle said:
So basically you disagree with one or two coaches and now the whole model sucks?

Please...
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Oh no....I disagree with a lot.

I think you've wasted our time and yours quite frankly for creating a formula/website/poll that makes no !@$%'ing sense.

It's absolutely useless (honestly, were you bored or stoned or maybe just one of those that thinks Computers should analyze football/coaches/players/careers/etc and probably know dick about the game?)

I could pick out more dumb @$$ numbers on here but I don't want to waste my time reading thru it....instead I'll utilize that time to type RIGHT HERE and laugh at the brain that created it.

Please???? You're welcome donkey
 
GTKyle said:
I think the model is a little more accurate now. I changed the years of comparison. For example, a coach that has coached for 3 years is compared to the previous 6 years. A coach that has coached for 5 years is compared to the previous 10 years, etc, up to 10 years. Bobby Bowden and Joepa have their 10 year "effective" winning percentages compared to the previous 20 years.
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What's the point. Does this make you feel accomplished?

I will thank you for giving me something to laugh at. And also, only publishing this on here.

If you make this known to the College Football Fan base you need to tighten the screw that you apparently have loose.

You'll only be supplying ammo to those "other fans" who look forward to moments and things such as this to point at and laugh/mock/and basically "make fun of to keep it clean" of TECH Fans

Please PLEASE PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEE .... keep this private and only available on this website
 
THWG_Nuff Said said:
Oh no....I disagree with a lot.

I think you've wasted our time and yours quite frankly for creating a formula/website/poll that makes no !@$%'ing sense.

It's absolutely useless (honestly, were you bored or stoned or maybe just one of those that thinks Computers should analyze football/coaches/players/careers/etc and probably know dick about the game?)

I could pick out more dumb @$$ numbers on here but I don't want to waste my time reading thru it....instead I'll utilize that time to type RIGHT HERE and laugh at the brain that created it.

Please???? You're welcome donkey
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You sir, are a moron.
 
I'm not sure if this is...

1. A satirical indictment of the notion of objectivity in computer-based rankings or....

2. A desparate cry for help.
 
I don't mind the efforts of trying to come up with something like this. But at some point, you have to look at the results it produces and compare that to common sense. Just b/c PJ could execute the option in one year does not make Rich Rodriguez the worst coach in the country. That is fairly ridiculous. I find it hard to believe that what he did at WV is overshadowed by Steven Threet at Michigan. If you are willing to take the time to put this thing together, even if it is mathematically "sound," you have to be willing to realize that it is beneath useful in terms of ranking coaches.
 
If you don't publish the formula people are always going to think your rankings are B(c)S.
 
carober18 said:
I don't mind the efforts of trying to come up with something like this. But at some point, you have to look at the results it produces and compare that to common sense. Just b/c PJ could execute the option in one year does not make Rich Rodriguez the worst coach in the country. That is fairly ridiculous. I find it hard to believe that what he did at WV is overshadowed by Steven Threet at Michigan. If you are willing to take the time to put this thing together, even if it is mathematically "sound," you have to be willing to realize that it is beneath useful in terms of ranking coaches.
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For the most part it's accurate. Nobody wants to admit when a coach is bad. Everyone is a good coach except for Charlie Weis, right? Look at all the FOCers that fought to the last stand to keep our last loser coach here.
 
I have no problem with what you did with this thing. But, by putting it on here you kind of open yourself up. For me, I look at it and see a weakness in that it only considers the coaches at their current job. So, the numbers are sort of skewed. You see a lot of coaches at the top and bottom of the list that have been at their jobs for only one or two years. I'm sure you can see this. Like I said, it is fun for me to look at, but....
 
carober18 said:
I have no problem with what you did with this thing. But, by putting it on here you kind of open yourself up. For me, I look at it and see a weakness in that it only considers the coaches at their current job. So, the numbers are sort of skewed. You see a lot of coaches at the top and bottom of the list that have been at their jobs for only one or two years. I'm sure you can see this. Like I said, it is fun for me to look at, but....
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Well pretty much every coach at a BCS school came from another school where did they well so considering past schools is almost worthless. And also, coaches are based relative to the program's past success. If you go 0.600 at Michigan that might be cutting it somewhere else, but not there.

Yes, I did notice that fact. There simply isn't enough data on those 1/2 year coaches to make a good estimation of their worth. It would probably be better to require 2 or 3 years minimum to be on the list. I didn't put that requirement on there so I could see where CPJ ranked. There are also so many 1st and 2nd year coaches that it would remove a good 35% of the list.
 
So, if Urban Meyer left for Notre Dame and went .500 his first year (maybe they were depleted when he came in) against bad teams, then you would just depend on this formula to tell us whether he is a good coach or not?

Listen, it's not a bad idea to spend a little of your pre-Jax. St. time putting something like this together. But come on, let's not say that what coaches did at past schools is "almost worthless." If you say that, then you kind of undermind a lot of what GT fans are depending on with Johnson's 2nd year success.
 
carober18 said:
So, if Urban Meyer left for Notre Dame and went .500 his first year (maybe they were depleted when he came in) against bad teams, then you would just depend on this formula to tell us whether he is a good coach or not?

Listen, it's not a bad idea to spend a little of your pre-Jax. St. time putting something like this together. But come on, let's not say that what coaches did at past schools is "almost worthless." If you say that, then you kind of undermind a lot of what GT fans are depending on with Johnson's 2nd year success.
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I just explained why that data is worthless. Almost EVERY coach at a D1A school came from another school where they were successful. It only matters what you do at your current school. Chan Gailey did very well at Samford, but he sucked at GT. Do you still think Steve Spurrier is a good coach? USCe hasn't been impressive at all under his 5 year tenure.
 
carober, you are right though on first and second year coaches. Maybe it would be better to include past seasons with the old team when there is not enough data.
 
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