Confirmed: ND to make a deal with ACC. 5 FB games/year, full member in others

a5ehren said:
Apparently they get the same arrangement ACC members get now - they can jump anyone that is 1-win better than them and get access to all ACC bowls.
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I hate ND specifically because of all the special treatment they receive, in everything from bowl tie-ins to the BCS to licensing to TV deals. It makes me sick that the ACC is perpetuating the preferential treatment that this perpetually overrated and borderline irrelevant football program receives.

The part of the ESPN story that concerns me the most is the bowl stuff:


"Notre Dame also will have access to the Orange Bowl and the ACC's non-BCS bowl tie-ins. The Fighting Irish have played in the Sun Bowl and Champs Sports Bowl over the last two seasons under coach Brian Kelly."

So ND isn't actually playing in the ACC, but apparently they can take our AQ bid to the Orange Bowl if the math works out right? And now we're all competing against ND for bowl tie-ins? That's nothing but bad for a team like GT that struggles with getting the bowl shaft anyway. (Of our tie-ins, the Peach, Charlotte, and Nashville bowls don't seem to want us, and we really don't particularly want the Shreveport or El Paso bowls. But now we've been knocked down one more slot in the pecking order by Notre Frickin' Dame. That really sucks.

This other quote from the ESPN article bugs me, too:

"The ACC in turn cements a relationship with one of the nation's most storied football programs, adding to a group that already includes Florida State, Miami, Virginia Tech and Clemson. That would also seem to position the ACC as the easy choice if Notre Dame ever decides to give up its football independence."

Since when is VPI (trophy case: still empty) a "storied football program"? For that matter, what's Miami historically or recently, outside of their cocaine-and-cheating-fueled blip in the 80/90s? WTF?

JRjr
 
Great move! I was second guessing the Syracuse/Pitt combo but this helps to ease that situation... Maybe we can persuade Penn State to join after a few years! Outside of their recent woes and some crazy Joepa conspiracy theorists they have a decent fanbase and would be a great fit with the ACC
 
vapspwi said:
I hate ND specifically because of all the special treatment they receive, in everything from bowl tie-ins to the BCS to licensing to TV deals. It makes me sick that the ACC is perpetuating the preferential treatment that this perpetually overrated and borderline irrelevant football program receives.

The part of the ESPN story that concerns me the most is the bowl stuff:


"Notre Dame also will have access to the Orange Bowl and the ACC's non-BCS bowl tie-ins. The Fighting Irish have played in the Sun Bowl and Champs Sports Bowl over the last two seasons under coach Brian Kelly."

So ND isn't actually playing in the ACC, but apparently they can take our AQ bid to the Orange Bowl if the math works out right? And now we're all competing against ND for bowl tie-ins? That's nothing but bad for a team like GT that struggles with getting the bowl shaft anyway.

JRjr
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Both of those seasons, they played ACC teams. They didn't take the spots that would have gone to ACC teams. We will renegotiate bowls by 2014, and if Swofford is on top of that like he was this deal, we'll get better and additional bowl tie-ins for the league.
 
vapspwi said:
The part of the ESPN story that concerns me the most is the bowl stuff:
"Notre Dame also will have access to the Orange Bowl and the ACC's non-BCS bowl tie-ins. The Fighting Irish have played in the Sun Bowl and Champs Sports Bowl over the last two seasons under coach Brian Kelly."
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You may have misunderstood:

There’s a caveat: Notre Dame can’t replace an ACC team in the Orange Bowl, though it could play an ACC team in the Orange Bowl. But Notre Dame could be chosen as the ACC rep in, say, the Chick-fil-A Bowl.
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http://blogs.ajc.com/mark-bradley-b...until-notre-dame-is-playing-acc-football-too/

If that's true, it means that ND can take the Big East bid for the Orange Bowl, but not the ACC's. Sucks for the Big East.

As for the bowls like CFA and others, that doesn't really matter because ND will get the ACC a better pool of bowl games to choose from. It's still a great situation.

Also, Swofford is a genius:
And here’s the other deft trick Swofford turned: He upped the buyout fee for anyone wishing to leave the ACC to $50 million. That’s up from $20 million, and that’s a cost no university can begin to pay.

This means Florida State and Clemson and Virginia Tech aren’t going anywhere. And the buyout, Swofford noted, “does apply to Notre Dame and goes into effect immediately.”
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Per Bradleys article, he says ND will not take ACC's place in the Orange Bowl, but could be invited to play an ACC team in the game
 
OK, so they can't steal the Orange Bowl bid - that's good (hadn't seen Bradley's article yet). If "having" ND allows us to improve our bowl bids, that's good, but I'm still not a fan of having to compete for the rest of the ACC bowl tie-ins against a team that's NOT IN THE ACC.

JRjr
 
vapspwi said:
If "having" ND allows us to improve our bowl bids, that's good, but I'm still not a fan of having to compete for the rest of the ACC bowl tie-ins against a team that's NOT IN THE ACC.
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The only ACC bowl that I care about outside of the Orange is the CFA, and we have only been there 2 times in the past 30+ years. I don't see ND affecting our bowl selection much. If it's not CFA or Orange, they're all the same.

Reminder of our bowl games:
Orange
CFA
Russell Athletic
Sun
Belk
Music City
Independence
Military
Kraft Fight Hunger
 
Does the ND game count as one of the 9 ACC games?

I'm sure one year we'll have UGA, Clem, VT, FSU, and ND as a home schedule. The next year will be Duke, Wake, Cuse, and BC.
 
cajunjacket said:
The only ACC bowl that I care about outside of the Orange is the CFA, and we have only been there 2 times in the past 30+ years. I don't see ND affecting our bowl selection much. If it's not CFA or Orange, they're all the same.
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I go to all our games, including bowls (though I missed Seattle, Boise part 1, and Silicon Valley - that's half of the games I've missed in the last 14 years or so), so I care about getting to a decent bowl that's easy to travel to.

In terms of getting a bowl that's easy and fun to travel to, we're apparently already unattractive to the Peach, Nashville, and Charlotte bowls for various reasons, and having a non-conference member able to give them another reason not to take us is bogus.

JRjr
 
If this is a necessary evil on the path to full membership ..... so be it.

But given how GT has such a RICH and OFTEN REPEATED history of getting absolutely shafted on bowl selection in the ACC ... I'm surprised more of you aren't pissed that we'll automatically be dropping down one bowl each and every year as Notre Dame takes a ludicrously high bowl they don't deserve. And the win rule doesn't apply to ND -- they don't play enough games in the ACC for that. But hey, maybe some of you like buying tickets for armed forces to the Emerald Nut Reggie-Splashdown-Into-McCovy-Cove-On-An-Out-Route Bowl ..... or the Shreveport Why-The-Hell-Am-I-In-Shreveport? Bowl.
 
vapspwi said:
I go to all our games, including bowls (though I missed Seattle, Boise part 1, and Silicon Valley - that's half of the games I've missed in the last 14 years or so), so I care about getting to a decent bowl that's easy to travel to.

In terms of getting a bowl that's easy and fun to travel to, we're apparently already unattractive to the Peach, Nashville, and Charlotte bowls for various reasons, and having a non-conference member able to give them another reason not to take us is bogus.

JRjr
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I've been hoping and wishing for Music City the past few years, but we can never land it.
 
WracerX said:
Does the ND game count as one of the 9 ACC games?
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No. Guys, Notre Dame is not in the conference. It does not affect conference standings. The agreement stabilizes the league and helps our TV renegotiation because Notre Dame will be in 2-3 ACC stadiums each year in non-conference games.
 
georgia_tech_swagger said:
If this is a necessary evil on the path to full membership ..... so be it.

But given how GT has such a RICH and OFTEN REPEATED history of getting absolutely shafted on bowl selection in the ACC ... I'm surprised more of you aren't pissed that we'll automatically be dropping down one bowl each and every year as Notre Dame takes a ludicrously high bowl they don't deserve. And the win rule doesn't apply to ND -- they don't play enough games in the ACC for that. But hey, maybe some of you like buying tickets for armed forces to the Emerald Nut Reggie-Splashdown-Into-McCovy-Cove-On-An-Out-Route Bowl ..... or the Shreveport Why-The-Hell-Am-I-In-Shreveport? Bowl.
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Well, until we start winning any bowl games that's where we should be.

ND going ACC is huge for us and they eventually join full time. We just have to hope and lobby that when they decide to do that they do not get special treatment...
 
georgia_tech_swagger said:
If this is a necessary evil on the path to full membership ..... so be it.

But given how GT has such a RICH and OFTEN REPEATED history of getting absolutely shafted on bowl selection in the ACC ... I'm surprised more of you aren't pissed that we'll automatically be dropping down one bowl each and every year as Notre Dame takes a ludicrously high bowl they don't deserve. And the win rule doesn't apply to ND -- they don't play enough games in the ACC for that. But hey, maybe some of you like buying tickets for armed forces to the Emerald Nut Reggie-Splashdown-Into-McCovy-Cove-On-An-Out-Route Bowl ..... or the Shreveport Why-The-Hell-Am-I-In-Shreveport? Bowl.
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On the other hand, with ND in the pool, I think our/ACC bowl option tie ins will move up in stature and number significantly.
 
gtfan1147 said:
No. Guys, Notre Dame is not in the conference. It does not affect conference standings. The agreement stabilizes the league and helps our TV renegotiation because Notre Dame will be in 2-3 ACC stadiums each year in non-conference games.
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It does affect the conference standings in that they are in the bowl pecking order now.
 
Vespid said:
On the other hand, with ND in the pool, I think our/ACC bowl option tie ins will move up in stature and number.
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This^^. We wouldn't have lost the Gator Bowl if we had ND. I see this move, along with adding syracuse and pitt, as increasing the likelihood we will add back the marquee bowl we lost in the gator bowl. It just adds another marquee name which will help us sell the prospect of adding a quality bowl game.
 
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