Time for change

beej67 said:
We didn't run much option last night. Maybe 8 plays? That's all Fridge used to run.

The option is the only way tactically to neutralize a wide talent gap with intelligence and discipline. And the talent gap will continue to grow now that the NCAA has laid out the Cam Newton Roadmap to paying player's parents, and GT refuses to participate in the emergent marketplace.
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I at least get your logic now. I thought you were doing something like this, I don't totally buy it, I think CPJ's ööööööö Offense actually could be compounding our problems, but I get your point.
 
MTrain said:
I at least get your logic now. I thought you were doing something like this, I don't totally buy it, I think CPJ's ööööööö Offense actually could be compounding our problems, but I get your point.
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As I mentioned in email, I don't think CPJ's option in particular is the only option that could work here. Clemson has a pretty nice High School Offense it runs as well, and that could maybe work here. I don't think we'll ever get the track stars to run Oregon's High School Offense though.

The thing that will not work here is a pro style offense, because the pro offenses are all about exploiting matchups, (positive talent gaps) and we simply don't have many, nor will we ever, because of the emerging pay-for-play marketplace that our boosters refuse to participate in. To put it in pro / NFL terms .. we must outsmart our opponents because we cannot out play them, because our salary cap is zero and theirs is not.
 
beej67 said:
We didn't run much option last night. Maybe 8 plays? That's all Fridge used to run.

The option is the only way tactically to neutralize a wide talent gap with intelligence and discipline. And the talent gap will continue to grow now that the NCAA has laid out the Cam Newton Roadmap to paying player's parents, and GT refuses to participate in the emergent marketplace.
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Fridge pretty much ran a little bit of everything. We were very far from an exclusively option team with Hamilton and Godsey.
 
beej67 said:
I watch recruiting trends across the southeast, and I watch the NCAA. With Cam Newton, the NCAA laid out a direct path to pay players where they won't interfere - just pay their parents. The NCAA came straight out and admitted that Cam Newton's dad was paid by Auburn, Mississippi State even admitted that they lost in a bidding war for him, and the NCAA did nothing because it was a transaction between a booster and Cam's dad, instead of Cam. The very next year we lose out on Stephon Tuitt because Notre Dame bought his mom a house. Then you read the Shapiro testimony to the NCAA about how his major problem at Miami was being outbid.

The cat is out of the bag, there is a marketplace, and we're not participating in it. We get the leftovers, period, no matter who our coach is, now, or in the future. We are doing a phenomenal job competing at the level we are with leftovers. There is no coach available in the country who can do as much with leftovers as Paul Johnson.

So here's a great idea .. fire CPJ and then post a job offer in the newspaper saying this:

"Can you beat Georgia with Leftovers?"
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Any evidence at all that there was a house built for Tuitt's mom, or is that just yet another assumption?

And yeah, there probably aren't any coaches out there who could beat UGA with the talent we have right now. That doesn't mean there aren't coaches who could get the talent level to something more like what it was in 2008.
 
beej67 said:
As I mentioned in email, I don't think CPJ's option in particular is the only option that could work here. Clemson has a pretty nice High School Offense it runs as well, and that could maybe work here. I don't think we'll ever get the track stars to run Oregon's High School Offense though.

The thing that will not work here is a pro style offense, because the pro offenses are all about exploiting matchups, (positive talent gaps) and we simply don't have many, nor will we ever, because of the emerging pay-for-play marketplace that our boosters refuse to participate in. To put it in pro / NFL terms .. we must outsmart our opponents because we cannot out play them, because our salary cap is zero and theirs is not.
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Nailed it.

I've said it on here many times, but why would we expect to run the same styles of play that the "big boys" run and think it'd yield similar results? We don't, nor will we ever have, the talent and depth that the Clemson's, FSU's, Miami's, etc have.

I like to think that we're a school that exemplifies using brain over brawn to get things done in an efficient and effective manner, and our football team is not much different. We will see better results by running a specialized style of play that neutralizes the talent gap, and I think that's what CPJ brings to Tech.

He also exploits inefficiencies in "old-school" play calling by choosing to go for it on fourth downs more often than traditional logic would dictate.

Bottom line, I don't think anyone's happy with how the season has progressed. But I don't know what you can expect with a first year starter at QB and a first year DC installing a new defensive scheme.

I know many Tech fans circled 2013 on their calendars as "the deciding year" (myself included), but circumstances have changed. I'd like to see us knock off one or two of the "big four" next season in order to continue believing that we are headed in the right direction. I believe the process is right, but it's time we start seeing results.
 
gtbuzz2011 said:
Nailed it.

I've said it on here many times, but why would we expect to run the same styles of play that the "big boys" run and think it'd yield similar results? We don't, nor will we ever have, the talent and depth that the Clemson's, FSU's, Miami's, etc have.

I like to think that we're a school that exemplifies using brain over brawn to get things done in an efficient and effective manner, and our football team is not much different. We will see better results by running a specialized style of play that neutralizes the talent gap, and I think that's what CPJ brings to Tech.

He also exploits inefficiencies in "old-school" play calling by choosing to go for it on fourth downs more often than traditional logic would dictate.

Bottom line, I don't think anyone's happy with how the season has progressed. But I don't know what you can expect with a first year starter at QB and a first year DC installing a new defensive scheme.

I know many Tech fans circled 2013 on their calendars as "the deciding year" (myself included), but circumstances have changed. I'd like to see us knock off one or two of the "big four" next season in order to continue believing that we are headed in the right direction. I believe the process is right, but it's time we start seeing results.
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heh I'm happy as öööö right now we destroyed the cuse, and the mutts lost to ööööing Vandy.
 
How the hell has cpj neutralized the talent gap? We get mauled by every good team we play. If we didn't have a decent defense this year we would have maybe 3 wins right now. There is absolutely nothing to get excited about with the football program right now. Once we get creamed by uga we will be headed for Shreveport for some meaningless bowl in which we will probably lose. Thank god it's basketball season
 
This "changing coaches" phrase. Could this be more clearly defined?

It seems that some are throwing it around like we change coaches like Auburn did with Chizek, or dinky dool at UT.

I think a coach should get at least 5 years. Carson had 5 & Dodd's Tech men ran him out. Fulcher left on his own after 2. Pepper got 6 years. Curry got 7 years and then left. Ross got 5 years and left. BL got 2 years and 8 games. Some say he left, some say he was fired. I heard every player went to Homer and said if he stayed they would all leave. I don't know. GO'L got 7 years plus 3 games and left. ccg got 6 years and was fired. CPJ is in year 6.

So, of our last 9 coaches we have Fired 4. 3 of the coaches have left for other jobs. 1 quit. CPJ remains and on year 6.

I honestly think we have treated, at least time given to perform wise, our coaches pretty darn well.

This stuff about "changing coaches" all the time in no way applies to GT like many make it sound or like it is done at other schools.
 
Yeah, links to the Tuitt and Shapiro saying he was outbid stuff? I am actually curious too what became of the investigation into Cam's dad exactly. His church was falling apart, to the point he was near losing his CO, and then suddenly he had enough money to do the renovations. I'm sure MSU was in fact "outbid" in that case, but I don't know how much that is the norm. I think some paying is the norm, but on a much smaller scale than six figures. Even USC wasn't found to be paying Bush, just that they didn't try hard enough to find out agents were paying him.
 
gtfan088 said:
Any evidence at all that there was a house built for Tuitt's mom, or is that just yet another assumption?

And yeah, there probably aren't any coaches out there who could beat UGA with the talent we have right now. That doesn't mean there aren't coaches who could get the talent level to something more like what it was in 2008.
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Cam Newton. Welcome to New College Football.

It's a bidding war, and we're not bidding.

Salter21 said:
How the hell has cpj neutralized the talent gap? We get mauled by every good team we play. If we didn't have a decent defense this year we would have maybe 3 wins right now. There is absolutely nothing to get excited about with the football program right now. Once we get creamed by uga we will be headed for Shreveport for some meaningless bowl in which we will probably lose. Thank god it's basketball season
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If we played to our talent level we absolutely would have no more than 3 wins this year. We have twice that. Because of coaching. And no other coach is going to be able to recruit any better. Hell, CPJ is doing better than Chan did on paper, outside of Calvin Johnson. And Calvin didn't come to GT because of the offensive system, he came because his mom wanted him to go to a real school instead of a party school.
 
floridajacket said:
Yeah, links to the Tuitt and Shapiro saying he was outbid stuff?
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Link: Exclusive: Ex-employee details how Hurricanes program unraveled in scandal

Allen says Shapiro wasn't trying to buy recruits. According to Allen, there was a five-star defensive back recruit in the class of 2003 who Shapiro told him he'd spent a lot of money on. The kid ended up signing with another school. "I'm not doing that anymore," Allen recalled Shapiro saying. "We can't outbid these [expletive] SEC schools."
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floridajacket said:
Yeah, links to the Tuitt and Shapiro saying he was outbid stuff? I am actually curious too what became of the investigation into Cam's dad exactly. His church was falling apart, to the point he was near losing his CO, and then suddenly he had enough money to do the renovations. I'm sure MSU was in fact "outbid" in that case, but I don't know how much that is the norm. I think some paying is the norm, but on a much smaller scale than six figures. Even USC wasn't found to be paying Bush, just that they didn't try hard enough to find out agents were paying him.
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Here's one link:

Allen says Shapiro wasn't trying to buy recruits. According to Allen, there was a five-star defensive back recruit in the class of 2003 who Shapiro told him he'd spent a lot of money on. The kid ended up signing with another school. "I'm not doing that anymore," Allen recalled Shapiro saying. "We can't outbid these [expletive] SEC schools."
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http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...s-how-hurricanes-program-unraveled-in-scandal

There's no link on Tuitt's mom, that was all "insider" talk. But it's pretty obvious she was bought using the Cam Newton method when you look at all of the details of his commitment and subsequent switch, and when you continue to look at what's happening with him this season, where he said he'd stay at ND instead of breaking for the NFL and now his mom is saying he won't.

For those of you unfamiliar with the Cam Newton Method, it goes like this: Booster pays parents. Kid claims no knowledge. Kid has plausible deniability. NCAA can do nothing.
 
beej67 said:
There's no link on Tuitt's mom, that was all "insider" talk.
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Interesting enough, when I looked for any article on that, one of the first things that popped up was an article saying Tuitts Mom denys that Stephon is going to the NFL draft and will stay for his senior season.
 
If the player has no knowledge, then that's only good for the player and his eligibility. If an Auburn booster was traced to paying Newton's dad, then Auburn, as a school, is still culpable. I guess they were just good enough to get away with it.
 
beej67 said:
Calvin Johnson was a one in a million shot. Every school in the country is bitching about not landing Calvin Johnson, and he not chose Tech because if his mom, not because of anything our coaches then did in excess of what our coaches now would do. The idea that CPJ wouldn't have landed Calvin in recruiting is asinine.
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Not asinine. CPJ will never land another decent WR. Why would they come to GT?
 
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