Kirby Smart to dwagland

Early reports are that Pruitt is out, Muschamp is in, and Smart is bringing the Alabama S&C coach with him.
 
ScionOfSouthland said:
Early reports are that Pruitt is out, Muschamp is in, and Smart is bringing the Alabama S&C coach with him.
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Seems like Muschamp would have more control over the D under Malzhan than under Smart. Maybe the wheels are coming off for Gus.


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Muschamp is an amazing defense coach. He shuts teams down.

Unless it's against, at the time, a FCS team. In The Swamp. And the other team runs the TO.
 
I think this will fail spectacularly. I am positively gleeful.
 
Hold up guys! UGA Insider says this isn't true.


UGA Insider ‏@UGAinsider 11 hours ago

UGA Insider can confirm that the report out of Athens about Kirby Smart is not true.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
Now I know you're full of crap. But I also know of Tech fans who ARE OK with losses like Saturday's and find such games to be "moral victories".

I figure these are the types of people who were given participation trophies as kids. "Everyone's a winner" kind of crap.
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Nobody's okay with losing, and nobody takes any joy from moral victories. Losing is losing, and it sucks.

However, it's foolish to pretend like 13-7 is the same as 51-7. Both show up as losses on the scoresheet, but one means you're not likely to win the next time, and the other means you very well might. One means that some small changes (improved recruiting, schematic adjustment, etc.) could turn the tables in your favor, while the other means you might want to scrap it and start over.

I know you're not a Paul Johnson fan, but the reason people are willing to overlook this bad year and other periods of mediocrity is because it is obvious that the potential for seasons like 2014 is there. And who knows, if we can ever match a good defense with our typically outstanding offense, the sky is the limit.

Does that mean things are perfect? No. Does that mean we are happy with close losses? Of course not. Does it mean that we should accept things the way they are and don't make any changes? Not when we're 3-9.

Based on his entire career, Paul Johnson has provided plenty of evidence that he is a öööö good coach. This year is a statistical anomaly and will not be repeated. If it is, I'd be willing to bet that Johnson himself would step down long before anyone had to fire him.
 
Kirby may end up being awesome but how many schools in the SEC, ACC or in the country for that matter would hire him today over Richt given the choice of either?
 
BB_Bee5 said:
Kirby may end up being awesome but how many schools in the SEC, ACC or in the country for that matter would hire him today over Richt given the choice of either?
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Plus, why would UGA put a guy in with no HC experience when there are a lot of really solid candidates out there who have proven their ability to lead a team?
 
The Jacket said:
Anyway, now this is a conversation how we shouldn't be okay with just keeping it close against Georgia, which is decidedly not what I was talking about in any way, shape or form so I'm out.
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Yeah, go figure, stingtalk misinterprets something and derails a whole thread over it.
 
johncu said:
Nobody's okay with losing, and nobody takes any joy from moral victories. Losing is losing, and it sucks.

However, it's foolish to pretend like 13-7 is the same as 51-7. Both show up as losses on the scoresheet, but one means you're not likely to win the next time, and the other means you very well might. One means that some small changes (improved recruiting, schematic adjustment, etc.) could turn the tables in your favor, while the other means you might want to scrap it and start over.

I know you're not a Paul Johnson fan, but the reason people are willing to overlook this bad year and other periods of mediocrity is because it is obvious that the potential for seasons like 2014 is there. And who knows, if we can ever match a good defense with our typically outstanding offense, the sky is the limit.

Does that mean things are perfect? No. Does that mean we are happy with close losses? Of course not. Does it mean that we should accept things the way they are and don't make any changes? Not when we're 3-9.

Based on his entire career, Paul Johnson has provided plenty of evidence that he is a öööö good coach. This year is a statistical anomaly and will not be repeated. If it is, I'd be willing to bet that Johnson himself would step down long before anyone had to fire him.
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The thing is...it's been 8 years and we've not yet seen a competent Defense by a CPJ-coached team. I don't see a reason to be optimistic for change, in that regard, though Roof's squads have seemingly made more stops the past few years than the Groh's did. Perhaps next season?

I think both 2014 & 2015 were statistical anomalies. With 2 game exceptions in 2014, we got every break possible, in addition to making great plays. With...ummm...1 exception in 2015, we got no breaks and made no plays.

I think CPJ's realistic ceiling is 6-8 wins/year with his players in his system, which is what we've seen for 4 of the 6 years that he's had his players and his system.

Which is why him focusing on Defensive recruiting and adding some wrinkles to the offense should be top priority. We know what we get with his base package on both sides of the ball (Yeah I know Roof is DC but this is ultimately CPJ's team).
 
coit said:
Plus, why would UGA put a guy in with no HC experience when there are a lot of really solid candidates out there who have proven their ability to lead a team?
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This.

I have a feeling if Smart goes to ugay he will pull a Muschamp and the mutts will plunge and end up like the Vols have been.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
The thing is...it's been 8 years and we've not yet seen a competent Defense by a CPJ-coached team. I don't see a reason to be optimistic for change, in that regard, though Roof's squads have seemingly made more stops the past few years than the Groh's did. Perhaps next season?

I think both 2014 & 2015 were statistical anomalies. With 2 game exceptions in 2014, we got every break possible, in addition to making great plays. With...ummm...1 exception in 2015, we got no breaks and made no plays.

I think CPJ's realistic ceiling is 6-8 wins/year with his players in his system, which is what we've seen for 4 of the 6 years that he's had his players and his system.

Which is why him focusing on Defensive recruiting and adding some wrinkles to the offense should be top priority. We know what we get with his base package on both sides of the ball (Yeah I know Roof is DC but this is ultimately CPJ's team).
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I'm with you on the defense. It has to improve or we will be a 7-8 win program with some ups and downs. I also agree that 8 straight years of average-at-best defense is not encouraging.

I wouldn't call 2014 an anomaly. He's done it 3/8 seasons, and I don't buy the excuse that he didn't recruit the players. If anything, that shows us that the ceiling is extremely high if we can bring in a couple more gamebreakers, because that was the only difference between 2009 and the following 4 years.

Recruiting and defense need to get better. I'm with you on that. And since we have struggled consistently in both areas, I think it's pretty reasonable to think that something significant needs to change. I do think that he made some changes to the way we recruit, because the last couple of classes were definitely an improvement. Had we not squandered our momentum this year, I have a feeling we would have seen some play with some more big name recruits soon.
 
If he flops, so much the better now. Firing an alum is much harder than firing a non-alum. A Jim Donnan-type run with an alum after firing a very good coach would create the most delicious tears in a generation.
 
I remember the last time they gave a former player his first head coaching gig...
 
I don't really get it re: UGA and Kirby Smart. Like it or not as a Tech fan, but UGA is a really attractive job. Possibly top 5 in CFB, definitely top 10. They could call someone proven like Kyle Wittingham and he'd listen. Mark Dantonio would probably entertain a phone call. Gary Patterson, Tom Herman, the list goes on. Why would you skip over all of those guys and go directly for Kirby Smart? Just doesn't make sense to me.
 
Ish said:
I don't really get it re: UGA and Kirby Smart. Like it or not as a Tech fan, but UGA is a really attractive job. Possibly top 5 in CFB, definitely top 10. They could call someone proven like Kyle Wittingham and he'd listen. Mark Dantonio would probably entertain a phone call. Gary Patterson, Tom Herman, the list goes on. Why would you skip over all of those guys and go directly for Kirby Smart? Just doesn't make sense to me.
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Because he's a Sabanite.
 
Ish said:
I don't really get it re: UGA and Kirby Smart. Like it or not as a Tech fan, but UGA is a really attractive job. Possibly top 5 in CFB, definitely top 10. They could call someone proven like Kyle Wittingham and he'd listen. Mark Dantonio would probably entertain a phone call. Gary Patterson, Tom Herman, the list goes on. Why would you skip over all of those guys and go directly for Kirby Smart? Just doesn't make sense to me.
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I have some friends who are pretty heavy hitters in the UGA donor department. They've been clamoring for Kirby for a few years and saying that most of their other buddies in the big donor group wanted him as well. I suspect that's why Kirby is going to get the job.

Personally, I hope he fails dismally so I can rub it in on those guys.
 
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