Your honest opinion/ regarding recruiting

Clearly neither Gailey nor Johnson were / are great recruiters.

This last class was ranked 68th by Rivals. I don't get in this discussion we jump over the 50 or so schools and start debating why we aren't signing top 10 classes.

How about a top 35 class like Duke signed this year. Why aren't we capable of doing that more often? How about a middle of the pack ACC class, is that unreasonable? With Johnson's coaching ability that's maybe all we need. Regardless i don't know why everyone insist on having some stupid debate on why we can or can't compete with top 10 recruiting schools. If we could consistently get in the top 50 it would be a huge freakin improvement.

On paper, Vanderbilt, Duke, and Wake Forest out recruited us. Schools with no fan base, very little in state talent, and little to no history of on field success, and stringent admission standards.
 
to use your verbiage:

COULD YOU BE ANY MORE STUPID????

why would you use the NFL as your basis? we should evaluate their performance in COLLEGE since that is why we are signing them

to evaluate them based on their NFL work means nothing for TECH

Hey, the dipshit weighed in. Long time no see, tard!
Yeah...because we some other non-biased system that spans across classes to use as a metric.

Can't use recruiting services...they don't even agree on who's the best this season and appear to have a bias towards larger fan bases (ie more subscribers).

It's ok. You did a good job trying to explain it though. Carry on.

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So you are saying we are superior in evaluating talent over everyone else?

We have to be !!! Our win loss rankings over the last 15 years is a lot better than our recruiting ranking. The last two coaches did a great job of getting the most out of the players we recruited. 17 straight years of going to bowls, only 4 teams had done that up to last year.

I've been going to Tech games since Bobby Dodd was coach, I've seen it all, and this offense and this coach gives us the best chance to win in our situation by a long shot. AND, we have had some of the best years under coach Johnson in the last 50 years!

This IS the "Good Old Days".

If you young fellows want the same results as Bama and UGA, then you have to change your team allegiance! I, for one, am proud of my team, its players and coaches.

Can we get better, sure, but get real with all the negativity.

Rant Over! :turbonoes:

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Maybe it isn't the coaches but the school. I don't think Nick Saban could recruit to a high level here.
 
His offensive line recruiting was downright heinous.

I don't remember OL play ever being a problem under Gailey. We we're usually strong there and always had a 12-1300 yard rusher it seemed.

I guess you are basing it off recruiting rankings only? The on-field problem was never an issue.
 
Then you are not remembering very well....Chan Gailey's entire offense was a problem.

So our Wrs were a problem? Running backs were a problem? Lol - not quite.

The QB, and QB development were a problem. Offensive strategy was a problem as well.

If you were going to grade the talent and effectiveness of individual units I think most would agree the OL play was usually good, RB play was great, WR play was great, and we had NFL players at FB and TE.
 
If we didn't have recruiting problems we wouldn't run the TO. That was the whole purpose of going to TO was to be an equalizer of talent and we have seen more positive results than negative. Recruiting will always be the same as far as star power as long as we have calculus as a requirement for any degree. The discussions get old...like beating a dead horse.

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Your right. Why should I comment on something that is debated once a week on every Tech blog with the same conclusion every time. My bad.

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If we didn't have recruiting problems we wouldn't run the TO. That was the whole purpose of going to TO was to be an equalizer of talent and we have seen more positive results than negative. Recruiting will always be the same as far as star power as long as we have calculus as a requirement for any degree. The discussions get old...like beating a dead horse.

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It is definitely a chicken or egg thing. Do we run the 3O because we can't recruit or can we not recruit because we run the 3O? But you are right, the discussion gets old. Nothing is going to change between now and 12/1/2016. If we go 3-9 this year, the anti 3O crowd was right, 9-3 the pro 3O right, 6-6 we will still be arguing.
 
Your right. Why should I comment on something that is debated once a week on every Tech blog with the same conclusion every time. My bad.

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Once again. Nobody's forcing you to come into the thread. You're welcome to your opinions, of course.

But coming into a thread to complain that it has been discussed over & over is like turning on the car radio to a music station you don't like and complaining about the music. Just turn the öööö radio off or change the station.
 
Once again. Nobody's forcing you to come into the thread. You're welcome to your opinions, of course.

But coming into a thread to complain that it has been discussed over & over is like turning on the car radio to a music station you don't like and complaining about the music. Just turn the öööö radio off or change the station.

Kind of like just reading the thread is like watching the same people run in circles. At some point, you just have to check to see if they know they're running in circles.
 
Kind of like just reading the thread is like watching the same people run in circles. At some point, you just have to check to see if they know they're running in circles.
Yes. They are still running in circles. You will catch your tail before Tech finishes in top 25 recruiting again. That said, I am happy and proud of this class.

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Maybe we shouldn't really think about this in a conventional way.

CPJs offenses have al generally been efficient and high scoring with the exception of last year. No matter who we have had. And we have put people in the nfl.

In my opinion he should be judged on how well we have recruited defensively. There have been some nice pieces here and there but definitely needs to be improved over all. To me the 2015 class had some nice defensive players that will be interesting to see what happens with them.
 
If we didn't have recruiting problems we wouldn't run the TO. That was the whole purpose of going to TO was to be an equalizer of talent and we have seen more positive results than negative. Recruiting will always be the same as far as star power as long as we have calculus as a requirement for any degree. The discussions get old...like beating a dead horse.

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I actually think this class could have finished up near the top 25 had we not öööö the bed this season. We were on a high, but instead of building on the momentum, we went 1-7 in conference.

Had we finished with 8 wins in a clear rebuilding year, we could have possibly picked off those 4 stars.
 
We literally know zero information about this incoming recruiting class other than recruiting service rankings, so if you are attempting to discuss this class in your comparison framework, your argument fails before it even gets started. The class could be full of Phillip Wheelers. We don't know.

We will know more about last year's class in two years.

I can see a potentially cohesive argument that some of our middling classes were shallow, but we all already know that, and we think that CPJ made some headway in cleaning that up.

Beej, while I agree with the central theme of your post I disagree we know nothing besides the service's rankings.

We have measureables reported from multiple sources. Sure some metrics are stretched, but usually false metrics are evident on film...as in reportrd forty doesnt match what you see with your eyes.

Film is the other big piece of info. Yeah they are highlights, yeah, the competifion matters and yeah, guys speed it up to look faster, etc.It's not perfect but it is the same thing the services see (if they bother to watch at all...and from what I have seen as a paid subscriber they often rank off of who offers and who shows up at their combines). Only after a guy commits do they sometimes rerank based on film.

Despite highlight films limitations there is a lot to see on film. First, does the kid pop off the screen? Does he look bigger and faster than everyone else? Does he get caught from behind or make tackles way down field? Is this because of raw speed or the way he sees the field (e.g. AJ Gray and B Mitchell arent particulaly fast for CFB players at tbeir positions but they see well, anticipate, and play fast by being in position...many good defenders like Ray Lewis are like this). How do kids move through the trash?

CBs one looks for high hips that are flexible so the kid can flip 'em and run with guys. I also like to see evidence of physicality & fearlessness. How fast do they close and do the highlights show recovery from mistakes? How do they play the ball in the air and how aware are they. Are they making a lot of INTs and big plays?

S are similar but with more emphasis on playing centerfield and ballhawking. Angles, closing speed, and winning the ball in the air.

LBs one wants to see angles, instincts, tackling, closing speed, hitting, and pursuit square to the line.

DL one wants playing low/with leverage, delivering a blow instead of catching, quickness off the ball, use of hands, disengagement, and explosive short area quickness. Is this a sideline to sideline guy? Can he hold point of attack or set an edge as a DE. Does he squeeze down? Square pursuit or does he have to turn to pursue/be vulnerable to cut backs.

OL for us is firing off quick, low, flat back & bent knees, knocking guys back, getting to 2nd level, hustle highlights, etc.

QB: how fast it comes out? can throw deep out or not? laser/flat trajectory?throw on run? Pocket presence? Progressions? RB skills?

RB: 1 cut or multi? First step? Burst? Balance & reacceleration after contact? Body lean? Patience & uses blockers? Stiff arm & anticipation/vision/qhickness to prepare body/get low for contact? Loaf of bread or high and tight? Elusive/can create? Finishes runs? 5th gear? Speed to corner? Catch with hands/natural receiving?

WR: seperation, quick off line, catch with hands, leaping, body control, adjusts to balls in the air, catches over the shoulder or otherwise running full tilt, blocks, comes back to QB, run after catch, used at other skill positions, strength to win balls.

Also like to see guys play and excel at multiple positions, especially on both sides of the ball.. Not only does it give flexibility but it also shows a kid understands the game, sees well, and takes coaching well. Also is the kid always in the middle of big plays, especially creating turnovers on D. If a kid creates big play after big play ( not just Marcus Wright running untouched) that can show an 'it factor'.

Carl Miles and Lance Richardson had pitiful film. Nealy had great film. Only projects in this class are J. Lee (size) and Kerr (raw).

Otherwise film and measureables show good PROSPECTS. Prospects are recruited and then you hope they work hard, compete hard, take coaching, stay healthy, and stay happy. If they do all these things and develop physically as needed then they have a chance of being good players.

There is luck involved. Denzel McCoy was blue chip and never played a down due to health. JC Lanier and Anthony Williams were 4 star guys with the tools but not the drive. DJ Donnelly was everything one could possibly want in a recruit.

Does this mean we recruited badly by taking these guys? IMO no because all were GREAT prospects. I would take them again and hope for better luck.

I think our current class is quite solid and on par with last year based on film and measureables. Whether they become good players we shall see. I do think we recruited well, though if we'd closed better we'd really have been cooking with grease. I like the prospects for DL and WR paricularly, with QB and RB following. Ironically at LB I vastly prefer lightly regardex Brashear to Bridges. Cole is good S prospect.

From what I see directly though we got better prospects than what the services thought. Just my very honest opinion as a guy who played age 5-22. Most of yall are probably as good as the services because yall are looking at what they are seeing. Probably better because often they aint lookin. Just saying.
 
Oh yeah...to add the 4 and 5 stars stick out like sore thumbs and the services' "expertise" comes from 'discovering' these gems. Correlation with recruiting rankings and winning comes from this too.

Then people infer that since the services top rated classes were spot on that they get all the other guys who have to develop some right. Folks they aint looking closely if at all at guys like Camp, Brashear, Cooper, Hawkins-Anderson, or Branch. But you can.....check it out.
 
Recruiting rankings do matter, and yet they dont matter.

You are kidding yourself if you dont think there is a difference in a 5 star and a 3 star rated player. The 5's and most high 4's are a notch above the rest in measured and/or observed athleticism. 5's almost always turn out to be big difference makers in college. Most 4's do too, while a large number of 3's will be, they are more of a toss up. So, a class with 4-5's and 10-4's is almost guaranteed to produce more top caliber players in college. What this means is that yes, there is a big difference in the top 10-15 ranked recruiting classes and the rest, talent-wise.

You are also wasting your time if you want to argue about whether the 40th ranked class is better than GT's 68th ranked class. The margin of error is too great when you are talking about ranking 20-3 star players. Some will be stars and some will not. Only time will tell. One of the only objective methods they use is number of recruits, so with 18 we get ranked lower than most teams who took 20-25 players almost by default. They dont care how many players we had room for or wanted to take. To the rankings 25>18 when you are talking about classes made up of mostly 3 stars.

So the teams loaded with 4 and 5 stars...yeah, they win, but you are wasting your time if you are worrying about some of our players being ranked 5.7 vs 5.8 (3 vs 4 star) and if we get ranked 40th or 60th. The difference is negligible and some guys will pan out and others wont. Coaching will be the main differentiator for 95% of players and their teams success.

It's also laughable how so many of you decry the recruiting rankings when we get 20 3 stars and get a mediocre ranking, but then go wild if we have a 4 or 5 star visit or committ. I guess asking a Tech fan to be knowledgeable AND unbiased with regards to sports is asking a bit too much.
 
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