What does CPJ have to do to keep his job?

Good post BOR. Based on GT football reality (especially post APR), negative Nancy would tell us to prep for an "also ran" category. I don't like the bitch, but she's starting to make a believer out of me (actually, CFB period is making me a believer).
 
The original question to this thread is stupid. But the above is about the only situation where CPJ would be terminated or asked to resign. If PJ won two games this year, he will still be around. If you don't believe that, you are out of touch with the realty of GT football. You may not like this offense or like the coach, but GT has married themselves to PJ for better or for worse and my guess is he will coach at GT as long as he wants to be here. My guess is Paul would rather retire in 4-5 years and once that happens, Georgia Tech is going to have to make a very difficult decision regarding the future of athletics with regards to how to we proceed in a post triple option environment. Will we keep the status quo of restricting recruiting and running offenses that help try to level the playing field, or will we return to our former ways of going after the types of kids we had in the late 80's until 2002? I would like to see us do something that allows us to recruit the level of athletes we used t be able to draw even if that means lowering our academic standards to do it. All of Bobby Cremins recruits, Bobby Ross' recruits, and George O'Leary recruits didn't devalue my GT degree or dilute it. I am a firm believer that you can have a top notch academic program and a top notch athletic program as they are not mutually exclusive. We've had it before but there are revisionists who won't ever admit that. PJ is the schools answer for meeting both without dropping our standards on recruits. Prior to PJ, if we wanted to meet both, we dropped our standards in recruiting. Once PJ is gone, I find it hard to believe that the program will want to continue the triple option offense as lets face it... no one is going to run it better than Paul Johnson.

Regardless, once PJ throws in the towel, the school is going to have to make a decision of what they want to be that is either going to allow us the hope of having a stellar program or will firmly place us in the "also ran" category.
Good post.
 
The original question to this thread is stupid. But the above is about the only situation where CPJ would be terminated or asked to resign.

This is the type of thinking that continues to hold GT back. PJ had 2 good years with a teams stacked with NFL talent that Gailey recruited, and one good year with his own players. The other 5 seasons have been mediocre at best. No way he should have that kind of job security

To answer the thread question; as long as he improves on last year's conference win total (1) he'll be around in 2017. Unless he manages to lose to Georgia Southern, then they fire him before he can get back to the locker room
 
This is the type of thinking that continues to hold GT back. PJ had 2 good years with a teams stacked with NFL talent that Gailey recruited, and one good year with his own players. The other 5 seasons have been mediocre at best. No way he should have that kind of job security

To answer the thread question; as long as he improves on last year's conference win total (1) he'll be around in 2017. Unless he manages to lose to Georgia Southern, then they fire him before he can get back to the locker room

I'm not making an argument for or against PJ. I've been disenchanted with how GT has supported the big two athletics for some time. All I'm saying is that if you think Paul Johnson would be fired for turning in the exact same record as last year, then you are out of touch with who is steering the athletic boat. My opinion is that there are larger factors at play that depend on the long term success of the football program that are much greater than the abilities of the head coach. If you want to change head coaches and truly believe that is the crux of our issues, you are misinformed. You have to provide the platform for success, and we don't. We have other issues that need to be resolved at the school and athletic association level prior to wasting our time going on a coaching search.
 
I'm not making an argument for or against PJ. I've been disenchanted with how GT has supported the big two athletics for some time. All I'm saying is that if you think Paul Johnson would be fired for turning in the exact same record as last year, then you are out of touch with who is steering the athletic boat. My opinion is that there are larger factors at play that depend on the long term success of the football program that are much greater than the abilities of the head coach. If you want to change head coaches and truly believe that is the crux of our issues, you are misinformed. You have to provide the platform for success, and we don't. We have other issues that need to be resolved at the school and athletic association level prior to wasting our time going on a coaching search.

I'm just quoting this to hope that people read it twice.

If CPJ could recruit on an even playing field with the other powerhouses around us, then we would be national title contenders. FSU literally has a slut farm team they can send to öööö recruits during their visits. That's what we're up against.
 
Hey ee8384, he has been a head coach WAY to long to underacheive the way he has. Not a stupid question at all. Georgia Tech fans deserve better than a gimmicky FCS bullshit offense. You obviously have no idea what it takes to win, or maybe you are just satisfied with playing in a bowl game before New Years.

This thread is similar to the threads I used to read on the Nebraska football website back in the early 2000s. A "new generation" of Husker fan wanted to @#$%-can the offense ran under Osborne (and later Solich) and adopt a more "progressive offense" like everyone else. It was thought that a tsunami of recruits - previously unattainable - would flock to the plains of Nebraska. Well, all that happened is that the Huskers now tried to do what most other teams in college football did (only they couldn't do it as good as Ohio State, Texas, USC, Alabama, Miami, etc.). Since that time, the Huskers have been incredibly....average. That's what GT was most of the time before Johnson got there. Aside from the championship in 1990 and the years with Joe Hamilton at QB, I rarely if ever heard GT make a peep in the college football world. Your notion that GT fans deserve better is laughable.

I also noticed that no one called you a @#$%-for-brains for calling Johnson's scheme a "gimmicky FCS bullshit offense". Well, Matt Chernoff, let me be the first.
 
Of course it's a gimmick. When you have worse players, you need a gimmick. The gimmick is literally the only thing we have going for us.

If we had better players and the gimmick, we'd be unstoppable. In 2014, with two eventual NFL receivers and one NFL lineman, we set the all time record for offensive efficiency with that gimmick. All time.
 
Of course it's a gimmick. When you have worse players, you need a gimmick. The gimmick is literally the only thing we have going for us.

If we had better players and the gimmick, we'd be unstoppable. In 2014, with two eventual NFL receivers and one NFL lineman, we set the all time record for offensive efficiency with that gimmick. All time.
The naysayers will never get this bj. The Jimmies and Joes really really matter---see Saban at MSU vs LSU & Bama. It's a f'ing MIRACLE that CPJ is .500 vs FBS teams (where 75% of their recruits wouldn't even qualify academically for an official visit to Tech!) We should build a damned statue of him next to Dodd's for his two Ws vs ugag.
 
This year may answer the CPJ debate. 4 or less wins he can take his 3O and stick it up his ....., 8 wins or more we put up a statue of him titled "The Perfect Option", 5 to 7 and we continue the debate.
 
Let's take a walk back in time.

Chan: One gimmick, known as Jon Tenuta, kept us in just enough games to go 7-5 every year.

O'Leary: One gimmick, Fridge's, which was largely stolen from Paul Johnson tape. (yes we ran triple option every year under Fridge, just not as often)

Bill Lewis: no gimmick

Bobby Ross: Same gimmick as O'leary

Bill Curry: no gimmick, got lucky one year

Pepper Rodgers: ran the 3O back before it was a gimmick

No reason to go further back than my lifetime, in the discussion.

We have never, ever won running a pro style offense. We have never, ever won without a gimmick. And the one gimmick in our entire history that has allowed us to beat Georgia is the triple option. Hey, check it out...

 
Let's take a walk back in time.

Chan: One gimmick, known as Jon Tenuta, kept us in just enough games to go 7-5 every year.

O'Leary: One gimmick, Fridge's, which was largely stolen from Paul Johnson tape. (yes we ran triple option every year under Fridge, just not as often)

Bill Lewis: no gimmick

Bobby Ross: Same gimmick as O'leary

Bill Curry: no gimmick, got lucky one year

Pepper Rodgers: ran the 3O back before it was a gimmick

No reason to go further back than my lifetime, in the discussion.

We have never, ever won running a pro style offense. We have never, ever won without a gimmick. And the one gimmick in our entire history that has allowed us to beat Georgia is the triple option. Hey, check it out...



Truth hurts.

CPJ (or similar) gives GT the best opportunity to succeed. So, if we have the best triple option guy in the business, then we have our guy.
 
In 2014, with two eventual NFL receivers and one NFL lineman, we set the all time record for offensive efficiency with that gimmick. All time.
Pretty sure the statistic set you are referring to for our "all time" efficiency record is like 20 yrs old. Still a great record, but there have been a lot of efficient teams in CFB history that we're not being ranked against.
 
Bobby Ross and George O'Leary are the only two really good coaches we have had in the period you highlight.

And, we had a lot of success.

CPJ has the potential to be really successful. I just hope he evolves into a really great head coach who is able to innovate and not just continue to be blindly married to one system and set of plays.
 
Bobby Ross and George O'Leary are the only two really good coaches we have had in the period you highlight.

And, we had a lot of success.

CPJ has the potential to be really successful. I just hope he evolves into a really great head coach who is able to innovate and not just continue to be blindly married to one system and set of plays.
Ross and O'Leary became frustrated with the Hill before APR (for the most part). Imagine them today! Yes, they were very good coaches---they also had a guy named Ralph. And about that one set of plays, why do you think coaches groan when they see Tech on their schedule---because it's difficult to stop, that's why. Ask Miss St.
 
Pretty sure the statistic set you are referring to for our "all time" efficiency record is like 20 yrs old. Still a great record, but there have been a lot of efficient teams in CFB history that we're not being ranked against.

I'm sure that's the metric he was talking about, but I do believe we did set the all time record for 3rd down efficiency, I could be wrong though
 
If Tech is married to the option, we are perhaps the best job in the country for option coaches, at least for now. There is no shortage of CPJ disciples among the military academies and KSU. Those coaches are not great candidates for most of the P5 jobs, because most programs will shy away from adopting their offense. If Tech was proving it could be a perennial top-10 team with CPJ's offense, maybe that would change the perception, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen anytime soon (even if it's our defense that lowers the ceiling). Personally, I like the offense, and I think it is not a bad niche for a program that has the limitations on recruiting that we have. It's also becoming a signature that a lot of people around the country recognize, and that free publicity is not all bad. Maybe Tech will be the leading triple option program for the next few decades, even after CPJ leaves. Some coach will probably turn out to be even better than him.
 
Bobby Ross and George O'Leary are the only two really good coaches we have had in the period you highlight.

And, we had a lot of success.

CPJ has the potential to be really successful. I just hope he evolves into a really great head coach who is able to innovate and not just continue to be blindly married to one system and set of plays.

So more shotgun like in 2013, with diamond formations and stuff like that.
 
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