We get what we ask for

JoeCakeEater said:
We have not been the same offensively since 2014. I think not having a good WR has an impact, plus line play is atrocious. Should have expected a BBack drop off after losing two seniors, but I certainly think in hindsight I under appreciated what Laskey and Days brought to the team.
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We probably don't beat Miami in 2014 if not for Laskey IMHO. He pounded their "D" for 5-7 yards a pop and delivered punishing blows to their stud LB Perryman. That was the perfect "grind them to death" game IN PJ's tenure at GT.
 
jacketup said:
2014 2014 2014 2014

It's all the Johnsonites have to talk about.

What about 2010-2013, when we were 1-15 vs VT, Clemson, Miami and uga?

What about 2015 and 2016 (s0 far) when we are 0-5 vs VT, Clemson, Miami and uga?

Is this what you people want for your football program? Is this the best you think we can do?
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2014 was as much of an aberration as 2015. Not sure why the Johnsonites don't see that. And hell, we still managed to lose to both Duke and UNC in magical 2014 and almost lost at home to Ga Southern.
 
johncu said:
He was arguably the best coach in the country in 2014. He WAS the best coach in the ACC in 2008, 2009, and 2014.

Doesn't make it any less frustrating when we get bitch slapped by a clearly superior team that would probably beat us 9 out of 10 times.
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10 of 10!
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
2014 was as much of an aberration as 2015. Not sure why the Johnsonites don't see that. And hell, we still managed to lose to both Duke and UNC in magical 2014 and almost lost at home to Ga Southern.
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Dumb post. Nobody ever believed we'd have an Orange Bowl aberration with Gailey. And even NC teams lose games. It happens.

Time for a rant.

Under Johnson, we've hung near the top of the conference while FSU and Clemson were/are building national championship teams. Outside of those two and maybe VPI, who in the conference would you trade programs with?

Want to improve recruiting? We might do that with a different coach. However, anyone that doesn't think the Hill's restrictions on stupid players (and the practical lack of places to hide them) has a huge effect on performance is a moron. It takes a special person to want to succeed at Tech, and it takes an extremely rare person to succeed at Tech while playing football. Maybe Johnson is to blame for some of the lack in recruiting efforts, but considering that the GTAA specifically refused donations that were to be earmarked for recruiting, I know for a fact there are plenty of administrative problems to be fixed before attacking any coaching-related ones.

Want to be more like Stanford? Great! Let's privatize and let's ööööing do it. Want to be more like Notre Dame? Well, our records are already pretty close and we have a more recent natty than they do. They (unlike Stanford) actually have similar recruiting restrictions to us, so I guess we are already there.

Want to complain about the Oline? Go for it, and based on Thursday's postgame pressed it sounds like Johnson wouldn't argue with you. However, pretending that we're going to bring in someone else that is obviously better is extremely dumb, it would be a dice roll at best.

Consider the paths that Tech and Clemson have taken since Dabo and Johnson started. We could be like Clemson, all it takes is a huge coaching and staffing budget and enough headroom to build a multimillion dollar playpen for borderline retarded players. How much have you donated this year?

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jacketup said:
2014 2014 2014 2014

It's all the Johnsonites have to talk about.

What about 2010-2013, when we were 1-15 vs VT, Clemson, Miami and uga?

What about 2015 and 2016 (s0 far) when we are 0-5 vs VT, Clemson, Miami and uga?

Is this what you people want for your football program? Is this the best you think we can do?
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What's your solution then?
 
Get off the bus now if you haven't already and continue complaining. I'm on this Johnson bus until he retires.

This season has just begun. We will beat Miami and go on a tear. We will lose to Virginia Tech as it will be a night game in Blacksburg. We will finish 10-2, lose the tiebreaker to Virginia Tech (who will lose to Clemson, Clemson will beat Louisville this weekend - 38-28), and play Texas A&M in the bowl game.

I have seen the future, and it is great.

There's no stopping this train. (Except for VT)
 
One can be a fan and thankful to Johnson for what he has done and still admit that there is a problem that isn't getting fixed nearly 10 years in. The more we try new "stuff", the farther we get away from what has worked for us in the past, and the worse our offensive output seems to be. Honestly, the defense is the one looking pretty stellar this year as the undersized, lower recruited group that is better as a body of work than a group of individuals. Their adjustments in the 2nd quarter and 2nd half against Clemson were great.

As far as offense goes...

We wanted passing, and we got the pistol formation. It turns out that we aren't really good at it either through coaching or talent. That was a bust.

We wanted bigger offensive lineman and we got bigger offensive lineman. It turns out size wasn't really the problem for the run game, although another line coach and bigger bodies seem to have made some difference in pass protection. Verdict is leaning in the bust department here as well.

Our best blocking in the run game to date seemed to be Cord Howard and some converted tight ends, along with some oversized a-backs that were willing to take a more physical approach to cut blocking.


The talent gap hasn't suddenly widened - our biggest rivals are continuing to recruit around the same level they always have. But, CPJ has been responsible for a number of defensive coordinator changes in the league. After UNC went through 3 DCs, they brought Chizik in to create a run-stop defense, Foster flew out to Iowa City after having back surgery just to spend a few weeks with Norm Parker, Clemson fired Kevin Steele and cut a nice fat check to Venables, Richt brought in Manny Diaz in Miami, but more importantly he brought in Craig Kuligowski who, in my opinion, is the best defensive line coach in the country.

The ACC has stepped up its coaching game. With new HCs, OCs, and DCs at just about every team, our level of competition has greatly increased. Teams are getting more out of their talent. When I look at what we are doing on the field, though, I just scratch my head. This season, like most of our other seasons, we seem to be getting farther away from what we do best.
 
EffinDane said:
Dumb post. Nobody ever believed we'd have an Orange Bowl aberration with Gailey. And even NC teams lose games. It happens.
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Dumb reply. Who gives a crap about Chan Gailey and why do Johnsonians insist that there are only 2 possible coaches in the history of GT - CPJ & Gailey?

We're stuck with Johnson and more games like Thursday night for the next few years. And if 2014 wasn't an aberration, than there's no need to go Full Stanford.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
Dumb reply. Who gives a crap about Chan Gailey and why do Johnsonians insist that there are only 2 possible coaches in the history of GT - CPJ & Gailey?

We're stuck with Johnson and more games like Thursday night for the next few years. And if 2014 wasn't an aberration, than there's no need to go Full Stanford.
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That's our current coach and his predecessor. Nobody said there weren't other options. Are you suggesting we fire CPJ and replace him? If so, then who?

The current coach has taken us to BCS/NY6 games and won one of them. His predecessor öööö his pants in every big game in his most successful season. His predecessor won with guys who simply wouldn't be allowed to step through the door today AND got us put on probation. His predecessor's name generally goes unspoken. His predecessor has about the same record as CPJ, but with a MNC rather than a Orange Bowl (probably just an aberration though). There will never be a time where cheering for Tech will be like cheering for Bama. All in all, we have plenty to improve on, but are in a good, fun, competitive spot.

If you want to be critical, take a lesson from @ScionOfSouthland and learn how to not be a whiny ass crybaby.
 
EffinDane said:
That's our current coach and his predecessor. Nobody said there weren't other options. Are you suggesting we fire CPJ and replace him? If so, then who?

The current coach has taken us to BCS/NY6 games and won one of them. His predecessor öööö his pants in every big game in his most successful season. His predecessor won with guys who simply wouldn't be allowed to step through the door today AND got us put on probation. His predecessor's name generally goes unspoken. His predecessor has about the same record as CPJ, but with a MNC rather than a Orange Bowl (probably just an aberration though). There will never be a time where cheering for Tech will be like cheering for Bama. All in all, we have plenty to improve on, but are in a good, fun, competitive spot.

If you want to be critical, take a lesson from @ScionOfSouthland and learn how to not be a whiny ass crybaby.
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If you want to keep embracing crap like Thursday, at least get your facts right. And there was absolutely nothing "good, fun" nor "competitive" about either 2015 nor Thursday night, which appears to be where we're trending.

In the words of another poster:

"You don't sound like--you ARE--someone who embraces losing. They got a name for the winners in the world, and it's not EffinDane."
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
If you want to keep embracing crap like Thursday, at least get your facts right. And there was absolutely nothing "good, fun" nor "competitive" about either 2015 nor Thursday night, which appears to be where we're trending.

In the words of another poster:

"You don't sound like--you ARE--someone who embraces losing. They got a name for the winners in the world, and it's not EffinDane."
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No, I considered that fact. I was frustrated, but still had fun, and I think we will win 8 or 9 games this year. I also considered all the other facts I posted and considered the long term trend, instead of pissing my pants like you have after one painful game.

I've offered analysis and solutions. You've just complained like a lady. What's your non-complaining analysis? What's your solution?
 
EffinDane said:
No, I considered that fact. I was frustrated, but still had fun, and I think we will win 8 or 9 games this year. I also considered all the other facts I posted and considered the long term trend, instead of pissing my pants like you have after one painful game.

I've offered analysis and solutions. You've just complained like a lady. What's your non-complaining analysis? What's your solution?
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To never accept mediocrity!
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
If you want to keep embracing crap like Thursday, at least get your facts right. And there was absolutely nothing "good, fun" nor "competitive" about either 2015 nor Thursday night, which appears to be where we're trending.

In the words of another poster:

"You don't sound like--you ARE--someone who embraces losing. They got a name for the winners in the world, and it's not EffinDane."
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I decided to select a poster to compare StingTalk Users' posting activity as a function of Georgia Tech winning/losing during a given week, and you were randomly selected. The results were....fascinating. I will be keeping you up to date on a weekly basis to continue monitoring the trend.

Thank you for your support of Georgia Tech athletics and your contributions to StingTalk.

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