Is 6-16 acceptable?

Akinji07 said:
We’ve had an O-Line problem since I started watching Tech football. You have one of the best O-Line coaches in the country, and at a discount. Figure the öööö out.
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I thought CBK got a pay bump and a AHC tag on his title to come here. Maybe I'm misremembering
 
Lion82 said:
Georgia Tech football used to be competitive, unique and interesting. Now it looks just like all the other bad college football teams. Collins will never beat Georgia or Clemson or Win a New Years 6 bowl. Collins gives Georgia Tech what so many wanted, more than wins.....conformity.
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If uga reverts to what it was 2008-2016 he might get them a time or two. Same if Clemson reverts to what it was before 2012.

uga is at a level they haven’t been at since CCG days. Clemson is at a level they have never been at.

unfortunately we didn’t capitalize on a down uga and managed to lose to their worst teams since Ray Goof.
 
Lion82 said:
Georgia Tech football used to be competitive, unique and interesting. Now it looks just like all the other bad college football teams. Collins will never beat Georgia or Clemson or Win a New Years 6 bowl. Collins gives Georgia Tech what so many wanted, more than wins.....conformity.
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If this was how I felt, I would find something else to do with my time than follow Georgia Tech football. It must suck being you.
 
Old-Fashioned UGA Hater said:
There are other circumstances in play? Yeah maybe the scheme change has a pretty big factor in this all. I'm glad you fit it in with the footnotes. Unbelievable this is a minor point in so many peoples eyes. Hopefully it's a vocal minority thing because I know our fans are smarter than this.
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This is what still amazes me. When we hired Johnson there were many fans on the boards of the time who predicted exactly what we are now dealing with whenever Paul left. This should have been the expectation and was for anyone who actually knows anything about the sport.
Our problem as fans is we have a bunch of “I played in high school so I know how this works” or “I’ve been watching football for 50 years ...” keyboard warriors trying to show each other what they (think) they know. Hint, just because someone is 300 pounds doesn’t mean he is a good OL or DL, just because someone saw a play run in a game somewhere doesn’t mean the guys we have are able or ready to run it.

Collins will make it or not based on recruiting and his staff. He’s not there with either yet because both take some time. I only hope the guys with the money arenas dumb as the “fans” who post on message boards,twitter and the rest.
 
ncjacket said:
This is what still amazes me. When we hired Johnson there were many fans on the boards of the time who predicted exactly what we are now dealing with whenever Paul left. This should have been the expectation and was for anyone who actually knows anything about the sport.
Our problem as fans is we have a bunch of “I played in high school so I know how this works” or “I’ve been watching football for 50 years ...” keyboard warriors trying to show each other what they (think) they know. Hint, just because someone is 300 pounds doesn’t mean he is a good OL or DL, just because someone saw a play run in a game somewhere doesn’t mean the guys we have are able or ready to run it.

Collins will make it or not based on recruiting and his staff. He’s not there with either yet because both take some time. I only hope the guys with the money arenas dumb as the “fans” who post on message boards,twitter and the rest.
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If this isn’t the best Collins can do with recruiting, I’m really looking forward to where he’s going to take it. This is the best recruiting we’ve had in decades - possibly ever. The talent upgrade alone will win games. I do agree that recruiting will continue to get better.
 
Lion82 said:
Georgia Tech football used to be competitive, unique and interesting. Now it looks just like all the other bad college football teams. Collins will never beat Georgia or Clemson or Win a New Years 6 bowl. Collins gives Georgia Tech what so many wanted, more than wins.....conformity.
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No one who watches any amount of college football should ever say X team will never beat Y team. Upsets happen far too often, and saying such just shows your ignorance or bias - or just hatred of the current staff.
 
ncjacket said:
This is what still amazes me. When we hired Johnson there were many fans on the boards of the time who predicted exactly what we are now dealing with whenever Paul left. This should have been the expectation and was for anyone who actually knows anything about the sport.
Our problem as fans is we have a bunch of “I played in high school so I know how this works” or “I’ve been watching football for 50 years ...” keyboard warriors trying to show each other what they (think) they know. Hint, just because someone is 300 pounds doesn’t mean he is a good OL or DL, just because someone saw a play run in a game somewhere doesn’t mean the guys we have are able or ready to run it.

Collins will make it or not based on recruiting and his staff. He’s not there with either yet because both take some time. I only hope the guys with the money arenas dumb as the “fans” who post on message boards,twitter and the rest.
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1) Tech fans predicted this.
2) Tech fans don’t know öööö.

K.

Now, ironically tell us exactly how it should be.
 
The record shows during the decade before Paul Johnson that Georgia Tech football was floundering. No coastal titles or bowl wins. Johnson won coastal titles, bowls and had multiple wins over Georgia and Clemson. Sadly, Georgia Tech football is now trending back to the pre Johnson days.
 
Lion82 said:
The record shows during the decade before Paul Johnson that Georgia Tech football was floundering. No coastal titles or bowl wins. Johnson won coastal titles, bowls and had multiple wins over Georgia and Clemson. Sadly, Georgia Tech football is now trending back to the pre Johnson days.
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And that trend started in 2015
 
ncjacket said:
I only hope the guys with the money arenas dumb as the “fans” who post on message boards, twitter and the rest.
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Oh yeah, the guys with the money are brilliant. That's why they give millions to support boys running up and down a coconut field in plastic helmets carrying a pigskin.

Happy fans are all alike; every unhappy fan is unhappy in his own way.
 
Recruiting is strong enough to keep this staff for a while. They have passion for GT and want to succeed. I hope the staff assessed the way they run practices and prepare for opponents because it seems really low quality based on first half performances. We need to go visit successful programs and see what they do. Our coaching staff is young enough where we can grow with them.

We are making strong adjustments and have great athleticism in the Second half of almost all our games this season. We need that to become something in the first half as well.
 
ncjacket said:
This is what still amazes me. When we hired Johnson there were many fans on the boards of the time who predicted exactly what we are now dealing with whenever Paul left. This should have been the expectation and was for anyone who actually knows anything about the sport.
Our problem as fans is we have a bunch of “I played in high school so I know how this works” or “I’ve been watching football for 50 years ...” keyboard warriors trying to show each other what they (think) they know. Hint, just because someone is 300 pounds doesn’t mean he is a good OL or DL, just because someone saw a play run in a game somewhere doesn’t mean the guys we have are able or ready to run it.

Collins will make it or not based on recruiting and his staff. He’s not there with either yet because both take some time. I only hope the guys with the money arenas dumb as the “fans” who post on message boards,twitter and the rest.
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The fans who predicted this with gusto were proven wrong by Johnson’s performance at GT. So why would we take the other aspects of their doom and gloom predictions seriously?

we had holes at TE, DLine and Tackle. Other than that we were pretty much a run of the mill football program. Our interior lineman under Johnson were some of the best in the conference.
 
GTCrew4b said:
The fans who predicted this with gusto were proven wrong by Johnson’s performance at GT. So why would we take the other aspects of their doom and gloom predictions seriously?

we had holes at TE, DLine and Tackle. Other than that we were pretty much a run of the mill football program. Our interior lineman under Johnson were some of the best in the conference.
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I think he was talking about people predicting issues for post-option/Johnson, not predictions about the initial Johnson years (a different kind of doom).
 
Lion82 said:
Georgia Tech football used to be competitive, unique and interesting. Now it looks just like all the other bad college football teams. Collins will never beat Georgia or Clemson or Win a New Years 6 bowl. Collins gives Georgia Tech what so many wanted, more than wins.....conformity.
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You type very well while having Paul in your mouth.
 
There is a metric for judging college football coach performance called Program Impact or something. It throws out a coach's first two years and adds the results for the first two years they are gone. It is designed to not hammer coaches for inheriting a train wreck and give them credit for the state of the program when they leave it. It recognizes the importance of Jimmies and Joes to team performance. Not a perfect metric, but relevant to our current situation.

I looked at this for Georgia Tech, starting with Bobby Ross.

First the actual records, per Wiki.

Ross 31-26 54.4%
BL 11-22 33.3%
O'Leary 53-30 63.9%
Chan 44-33 57.1%
PJ 83-60 58.0%
Geoff 6-16 27%

Ross is clearly underrated for the job he did here, when you only look at W-L. BL clearly sucked, as he did IRL. George was good. Chan and Paul show as so-so but winners. Geoff shows worse than BL, which is nonsense.

Now for the Program Impact records.

Ross 36-21 63.2%
BL 12-21 36.4%
O'Leary 56-31 64.4%
Chan 50-28 64.1%
PJ 69-69 50.0%
Geoff 0-0 N/A

This shows Ross doing a great job, which he did, and George doing a slightly better job, which given the total body of work is not unreasonable. BL is still BL. Chan gets a boost from the outstanding young talent he left in the program. Paul gets a double whammy from inheriting outstanding young talent and leaving the cupboard bare of experienced talent when he left, which if you look at the attrition and poor performance of so many of the 2016 recruiting class in particular but other classes as well, is justified.

And it gives Geoff a clean slate, with accountability next year. Anyone who is fair would agree to that.


 
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Techbert said:
There is a metric for judging college football coach performance called Program Impact or something. It throws out a coach's first two years and adds the results for the first two years they are gone. It is designed to not hammer coaches for inheriting a train wreck and give them credit for the state of the program when they leave it. It recognizes the importance of Jimmies and Joes to team performance.

I looked at this for Georgia Tech, starting with Bobby Ross.

First the actual records, per Wiki.

Ross 31-26 54.4%
BL 11-22 33.3%
O'Leary 53-30 63.9%
Chan 44-33 57.1%
PJ 83-60 58.0%
Geoff 6-16 27%

Ross is clearly underrated for the job he did here, when you only look at W-L. BL clearly sucked, as he did IRL. George was good. Chan and Paul show as so-so but winners. Geoff shows worse than BL, which is nonsense.

Now for the Program Impact records.

Ross 36-21 63.2%
BL 12-21 36.4%
O'Leary 56-31 64.4%
Chan 50-28 64.1%
PJ 69-69 50.0%
Geoff 0-0 N/A

This shows Ross doing a great job, which he did, and George doing a slightly better job, which given the total body of work is not unreasonable. BL is still BL. Chan gets a boost from the outstanding young talent he left in the program. Paul gets a double whammy from inheriting outstanding young talent and leaving the cupboard bare of experienced talent when he left, which if you look at the attrition and poor performance of so many of the 2016 recruiting class in particular but other classes as well, is justified.

And it gives Geoff a clean slate, with accountability next year. Anyone who is fair would agree to that.


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Your "Rustle Impact" score has spiked based on your latest effort. Be prepared for some butthurt
 
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