CPJ Mad Bro

RWLRAR said:
I'm a Tech fan first, so I'm pulling for Coach Collins to succeed, but in Paul Johnson's first two seasons we:
1. Beat uga
2. Beat Clemson 3 times.
3. Won the Coastal Division
4. Won an ACC Championship
5. Went to a Peach Bowl
6. Went to an Orange Bowl
If we do any of these things once in the next two seasons, I'll be pretty satisfied.
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Dwyer, Johnson, Thomas, Walker....


rghoae said:
That’s arguable.
Chan Gailey coached almost entirely under scholarship restrictions. Pretty much the moment those restrictions were removed he went ahead and recruited one of the most epic recruiting classes tech has seen in decades. And that recruiting class was immediately available to CPJ but Gailey never got a chance to use it.
Also, using CPJ’s metrics, Chan Gailey had 0 losing ACC (or overall) seasons.
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People think I'm batty when I say we were going to beat UGAg in 2008 anyway, even if we had kept Gailey. I'd say 2009 too.

Flunk gate did not help Gailey one bit.
 
RWLRAR said:
People seem to forget that CPJ's super talented 2008 team was projected to go 3-9 and finish last in the Coastal Division.
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Because of the offensive transition, but it turned out switching into the 3O with super talented players is a lot different from switching out of it with a depleted roster. A lot of people thought CGC was going to go 1-11 in his first year and we were picked dead last in the ACC last year, too. So I guess he has exceeded projections, too. But what difference, at this point, does it make?
 
OptionJacket said:
Totally agree. But his weaknesses kept him from taking the next step in his career. Just some day I want GT to have a coach who is an X’s and O’s coach who can recruit and won’t run away at the first opportunity.
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Those guys get hired to the Tier 1 teams of the world
 
JJacket said:
Dwyer, Johnson, Thomas, Walker....



People think I'm batty when I say we were going to beat UGAg in 2008 anyway, even if we had kept Gailey. I'd say 2009 too.

Flunk gate did not help Gailey one bit.
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Dwyer was not as great a RB as we thought at the time, the NFL combine and his NFL career revealed that. Dwyer benefitted greatly from the Flexbone system (which became obviously after he got to Pitt) and probably would not have been near as productive in Gailey's system, particularly with the offensive line (or lack thereof) Gailey left behind, and the other supporting cast that would have been around him.

With the defensive talent Gailey left he would have gotten us back to 7 wins somehow; but he would have gotten crushed at UGA in 2008 again. You don't have to guess, you can look at what Gailey was able to do with a better RB (Choice) and WR (CJ) with a defense as good as 2008's to confidently predict how 2008 would have played out under Gailey.
 
aeromech said:
Dwyer was not as great a RB as we thought at the time, the NFL combine and his NFL career revealed that.
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Gotta disagree. Greatness in college has absolutely nothing, zero, nada, to do with anything in the NFL. I’m a college football fan not a NFL fan. I plan my life around Saturdays in the fall, not Sundays. Dwyer was the perfect BBack and was a great college running back. There are many people who were average in college and became great NFL players and I take nothing away from them.
 
aeromech said:
Dwyer was not as great a RB as we thought at the time, the NFL combine and his NFL career revealed that. Dwyer benefitted greatly from the Flexbone system (which became obviously after he got to Pitt) and probably would not have been near as productive in Gailey's system, particularly with the offensive line (or lack thereof) Gailey left behind, and the other supporting cast that would have been around him.

With the defensive talent Gailey left he would have gotten us back to 7 wins somehow; but he would have gotten crushed at UGA in 2008 again. You don't have to guess, you can look at what Gailey was able to do with a better RB (Choice) and WR (CJ) with a defense as good as 2008's to confidently predict how 2008 would have played out under Gailey.
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No. He was really good.

He just got fat.
 
Flywheel said:
Y'all are talking like he got fired. Keep in mind CPJ retired, and he did it without a buyout and at a time that gave us the opportunity to figure out a new HC before 2019 NSD. I'm grateful to CPJ not only for his time here, but for doing his part to facilitate the transition.
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You keep on believing that
 
OptionJacket said:
Gotta disagree. Greatness in college has absolutely nothing, zero, nada, to do with anything in the NFL. I’m a college football fan not a NFL fan. I plan my life around Saturdays in the fall, not Sundays. Dwyer was the perfect BBack and was a great college running back. There are many people who were average in college and became great NFL players and I take nothing away from them.
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Most of the great RB's in college have at least a modest NFL career. Dwyer took 5-10 yards to build up speed, where most great backs get up to speed in 3-5 yards. Flexbone covered up that weakness by creating that space. It is hard to make an argument that Choice wasn't (and probably still is) a better RB.
 
techtosterone1 said:
This is spot on. Too bad we couldn't have them at the same time. Technically, that's on CPJ.

You knew it was bad when we played UGA and our guys looked like high schoolers vs NFL guys -- that shouldn't happen. I mean, we don't have to be as talented, but we can be college sized athletes. We had guys literally get thrown around like rag dolls sometimes against them. This is on CPJ. The fact we beat them a few times, and were very close many others is CREDIT to CPJ's coaching. With Gailey, we had similar size but generally less talent and certainly average coaching. Which is why we lost to them every year.

We just need Collins to cash in on his recruiting, and I suppose we will see how his coaching goes. Right now, it's certainly suspect. He likely needs to go full on Dabo and get quality coordinators.
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WracerX said:
It was a tribute and was received as such.

As much as people blast Johnson for recruiting, he wasn’t that bad. The OL and abacks are system specific players. They aren’t going to be wanted or needed in other systems like they are in the flexbone.

Bobinski screwed the program by putting no money into recruiting. We were bottom of the conference in funding and it showed.

Where Johnson failed wasn’t in recruiting players so much, but was in working the alumni. His personality just didn’t make people want to give. He got on the wrong side of some former players and couldn’t recover (and didn’t seem to try). Collins has done a very good job working the alumni. Having worked with GOL and Gailey gave Collins a good start with former players. You can leverage those players to work the big money alumni (and some are those players). He has done a great job opening wallets. That is really what the program needed. We are too small to have a divided giving pool.
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Such a cop out on the recruiting. So you’re telling me we didn’t offer the best talent in the state on offense?
 
aeromech said:
Most of the great RB's in college have at least a modest NFL career. Dwyer took 5-10 yards to build up speed, where most great backs get up to speed in 3-5 yards. Flexbone covered up that weakness by creating that space. It is hard to make an argument that Choice wasn't (and probably still is) a better RB.
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Took 5-10 yds to build speed? Who made this up lol. Dwyer had quick feet and great instincts. That’s what made him great. He was Chubb before he gained hella weight
 
ibeeballin said:
Took 5-10 yds to build speed? Who made this up lol. Dwyer had quick feet and great instincts. That’s what made him great. He was Chubb before he gained hella weight
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Do you think he is/was better than Choice?
 
Jonathan Dwyer was one of the best RB’s we had at GT. He just couldn’t put it together outside of the college environment and “protection” so to speak. Sad case.

CPJ was a great coach for GT. Geoff Collins can grow into that. But I want to see improvement in team discipline and awareness. It’s been disappointing seeing how unprepared we are week in and week out. We are getting very athletic though.
 
GTCrew4b said:
Jonathan Dwyer was one of the best RB’s we had at GT. He just couldn’t put it together outside of the college environment and “protection” so to speak. Sad case.

CPJ was a great coach for GT. Geoff Collins can grow into that. But I want to see improvement in team discipline and awareness. It’s been disappointing seeing how unprepared we are week in and week out. We are getting very athletic though.
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Even within the college environment I believe he was struggling a little with his weight, right? CPJ's system and the fact that he was a lot more naturally athletic than many other college players allowed him to shine despite that, but both of those advantages went away at the next level.

It definitely is a shame, I wonder what he is doing these days.
 
GTCrew4b said:
Jonathan Dwyer was one of the best RB’s we had at GT. He just couldn’t put it together outside of the college environment and “protection” so to speak. Sad case.

CPJ was a great coach for GT. Geoff Collins can grow into that. But I want to see improvement in team discipline and awareness. It’s been disappointing seeing how unprepared we are week in and week out. We are getting very athletic though.
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Dwyer was good; but so was Lavette, Levens, Choice, Mays, Hollings.... Dwyer was an example of how much a system and play calling can make you look better, Levens may be an example of the opposite. CPJ and the Flexbone could even make Days look like a star RB.

Bottom line is I don't think Gailey beats UGA in 2008 with the talent we had in 2008.
 
Our talent in 2008 was still well behind UGA that year and it was not even close. UGA lost to undefeated Bama, National Champion Florida and us. Very few coaches could of taken that 2008 GT team and beaten UGA and to have done it year 1 transitioning to a drastically different offense was amazing. We had a full back playing one of the A back positions.
 
aeromech said:
Dwyer was good; but so was Lavette, Levens, Choice, Mays, Hollings.... Dwyer was an example of how much a system and play calling can make you look better, Levens may be an example of the opposite. CPJ and the Flexbone could even make Days look like a star RB.

Bottom line is I don't think Gailey beats UGA in 2008 with the talent we had in 2008.
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Jon needed structure and needed pushing. With that in place, he was able to succeed here. He'd probably do very well in the offense now with the staff we have now. When it came time for him to do it on his own, (preparing for combine/NFL), he let it all slip. Showed up overweight to the combine. Lost some draft stock because of that and his numbers suffered causing him to drop further. Never fully regained all his potential in the NFL. But as far as natural ability, he probably tops everyone on that list of yours. Only exception MAY be Hollings, and that's only because we never fully got to see what he could do.
 
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