CPJ Mad Bro

[Old-Fashioned UGA Hater]

There is a huge difference in exceeding expectations of 1-11, by going 3-9, than exceeding expectations of 3-9, by going 9-4 and beating uga in the process, or in my mind at least.

You still seam to want to compare the two as if they were dealt the same cards and if they were in the same scenarios. There's a reason that first year against Georgia the dwag players were looking around at each other not knowing what was going on. Arguably one of CPJ's best teams had zero of his players but he caught other teams with their pants down and he also could bludgeon you to death with P-5 players that were studs. This was no Army or Navy finesse style option either. Yes it was CPJ's first year but we would learn later this gave him a huge advantage in the simple fact this was the first time opponents would witness this brand of the TO at full speed. We would never really have that same brand of ball as we did that first year in 2008 as our strength and size diminished over the years IMO. Couple that with other teams hiring specialists and holding specific practices in the summer just to deal with us. Anyways all I'm saying is CPJ was able to harness the surprise of the option those first few seasons.

 

[goldmember]

Ant Allen wasn’t a FB. He was a really good tailback at Louisville

Ant Allen wasn't on the 2008 GT team, he came in the next year. Lucas Cox was who i was referring to.

 

[goldmember]

It's not perfect but if you look at number of players on the roster who were drafted by the NFL as a proxy to overall talent then 2008 uga had 26 players from that team play in the NFL, GT 2008 had 8 (same at GT 2014 btw).

2008 Georgia Bulldogs Roster | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

2008 Georgia Bulldogs Roster

www.sports-reference.com

The idea that Johnson inherited a roster with the talent to compete with UGA or Clemson is absurd.

 

[JJacket]

Gotta disagree. Greatness in college has absolutely nothing, zero, nada, to do with anything in the NFL. I’m a college football fan not a NFL fan. I plan my life around Saturdays in the fall, not Sundays. Dwyer was the perfect BBack and was a great college running back. There are many people who were average in college and became great NFL players and I take nothing away from them.

Dwyer is our best running back in the past 30 years. Gibbs will soon take that crown away from him.
His "you ain't tackling me" run against Duke was one of the most beautiful 10 yards or so run I've seen.

 

[JJacket]

It's not perfect but if you look at number of players on the roster who were drafted by the NFL as a proxy to overall talent then 2008 uga had 26 players from that team play in the NFL, GT 2008 had 8 (same at GT 2014 btw).

2008 Georgia Bulldogs Roster | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

2008 Georgia Bulldogs Roster

www.sports-reference.com

The idea that Johnson inherited a roster with the talent to compete with UGA or Clemson is absurd.

Bullshit. Our DL and LB's were in much better condition for CPJ.

 

[WracerX]

Dwyer is our best running back in the past 30 years. Gibbs will soon take that crown away from him.
His "you ain't tackling me" run against Duke was one of the most beautiful 10 yards or so run I've seen.

2008 Dwyer had strength and speed. 2009 Dwyer had strength. Dwyer’s pass blocking ability was never very good. He benefited greatly from the flexbone highlighting his best attributes.

Choice and Joe Burns were probably more complete backs.

I expect 2021 Gibbs looks to surpass 2008 Dwyer. If we can get better route runners at WR, Gibbs will shine because teams will have to key on someone beside him on 3rd and <5.

 

[WracerX]

Bullshit. Our DL and LB's were in much better condition for CPJ.

Has GT had a more talented DL than 2008?

 

[goldmember]

Bullshit. Our DL and LB's were in much better condition for CPJ.

What's bull shit, you dispute that uga had 26 players drafted and we had 8? Or we had 7 drafted in 2014 plus Chris Milton who went undrafted but is still in the league? What exactly are you disputing?

 

[RWLRAR]

You still seam to want to compare the two as if they were dealt the same cards and if they were in the same scenarios. There's a reason that first year against Georgia the dwag players were looking around at each other not knowing what was going on. Arguably one of CPJ's best teams had zero of his players but he caught other teams with their pants down and he also could bludgeon you to death with P-5 players that were studs. This was no Army or Navy finesse style option either. Yes it was CPJ's first year but we would learn later this gave him a huge advantage in the simple fact this was the first time opponents would witness this brand of the TO at full speed. We would never really have that same brand of ball as we did that first year in 2008 as our strength and size diminished over the years IMO. Couple that with other teams hiring specialists and holding specific practices in the summer just to deal with us. Anyways all I'm saying is CPJ was able to harness the surprise of the option those first few seasons.

You mean the first few seasons like 2014, CPJ's 7th season, when we won The Orange Bowl in a blowout, and were two touchdowns from being in the playoff? Those uga players weren't trying to figure out what was going on in the first half of the 2008 game, we trailed by 16. That is some serious revisionist history to look back at '08, and say "of course we were good, we had players like Nesbitt, Dwyer, Roddy Jones, Bilbo, etc." All the "experts" who predicted we would faceplant knew those players were on the team. Enough about all that, here is my prediction for the future: the "experts" and pundits will continue to write us off, while CGC continues to build the program. Seemingly, out of nowhere, Georgia Tech Football will rise up and do something huge. That's been the cycle my whole life, and really throughout Tech Football history. We will all tell everyone I told you so, even though we are a little caught off guard ourselves. We will all celebrate. Then some of our good players will do something like beat some people up at a pizza place. The cycle will begin again.

 

[Tampa Jacket]

Paul Johnson is an interesting topic obviously. Brilliant X’s and O’s guy. And he was able to recruit excellent skill positions. But he couldn’t recruit the staple of what it takes to win the game called “football”—-the Big Uglies in the trenches.

 

[knoxjacket]

2008 is one of the only years I remember us getting any breaks against uga. We actually won the turnover battle, had less penalties, and won despite being outgained.

It’s an interesting thought experiment to imagine Fatford throws the ball away in the first half and their KR doesn’t fumble or if the typical ref screwing happened that year as well.

 

[rghoae]

No. He was really good.

He just got fat.

And despite that he was a more than serviceable backup with several highlights on Sundays.
Dwyers success is leagues ahead of anything any other Tech football grad from the last half decade or more has achieved outside of the position of kicker.

 

[knoxjacket]

The fact of the matter is this: Nesbitt, Dwyer, Jones, Thomas, Gardner, Walker, Johnson, Richard, Morgan, Burnett, Taylor, and Blair are all top ten talents at their position in Georgia Tech history. Butler and JWD are probably top 15 at their position.

outside of JT and Gotsis CPJ never signed anyone better at any of those positions.

 

[rghoae]

I guess it’s arguable in the sense that anything is arguable. But, no, it’s not arguable.

You‘re right. CPJ had much better talent to play with the first few years of his tenure at Tech than Chan Gailey ever did.

 

[Diseqc]

Dwyers success is leagues ahead of anything any other Tech football grad from the last half decade or more has achieved outside of the position of kicker.

Aside from being flat wrong, you’re also a retard.

 

[rghoae]

You still seam to want to compare the two as if they were dealt the same cards and if they were in the same scenarios. There's a reason that first year against Georgia the dwag players were looking around at each other not knowing what was going on. Arguably one of CPJ's best teams had zero of his players but he caught other teams with their pants down and he also could bludgeon you to death with P-5 players that were studs. This was no Army or Navy finesse style option either. Yes it was CPJ's first year but we would learn later this gave him a huge advantage in the simple fact this was the first time opponents would witness this brand of the TO at full speed. We would never really have that same brand of ball as we did that first year in 2008 as our strength and size diminished over the years IMO. Couple that with other teams hiring specialists and holding specific practices in the summer just to deal with us. Anyways all I'm saying is CPJ was able to harness the surprise of the option those first few seasons.

2014 proved that CPJ’s offensive success at Tech was more than just surprise.

What killed his offense was rule changes and the fact that CPJ appeared to bave done nothing at all to counteract them (unlike, ironically, his protégés coaching at Navy and Army). The offense would still manage to get first downs, but rule changes that prevented A backs from blocking like they used to on the perimeter (The inside out blocking rule) and changes that prevented linemen from blocking downfield, meant that we were simply not getting as many quick touchdowns as we used to. Which meant that a lot more drives ended with fumbles and interceptions.

 

[rghoae]

Aside from being flat wrong, you’re also a retard.

You’re right. In Tech players drafted in the last 5 years (outside of kicker), Gotsis has had a better career than Dwyer. So Dwyer has had a better career than all but 1 Tech players drafted by the NFL in the past 5 years.
It also helps that no player outside of Butker was drafted from Tech in 2017-2019. Gotsis and DJ White in 2016 of which Gotsis has started more games than Dwyer while White hasnt started any games. And Davis drafted in 2020 didnt play this season.

 

[Diseqc]

You’re right. In Tech players drafted in the last 5 years (outside of kicker), Gotsis has had a better career than Dwyer. So Dwyer has had a better career than all but 1 Tech players drafted by the NFL in the past 5 years.
It also helps that no player outside of Butker was drafted from Tech in 2017-2019. Gotsis and DJ White in 2016 of which Gotsis has started more games than Dwyer while White hasnt started any games. And Davis drafted in 2020 didnt play this season.

You said “5 years or more” which in every non-retarded mind is going to include Shaq.

 

[ncjacket]

You said “5 years or more” which in every non-retarded mind is going to include Shaq.

And Waller and Shaq

 

[Diseqc]

And Waller and Shaq

Yes how could I have forgotten shaq when I said shaq