CPJ Mad Bro

Looks like we had a pretty good group in 2014.

Given that it takes about 2 years for things to show up in recruiting, and Bobinski being here 13-16. The Bobinski effect is going to really show 15,16,17. Stansbury is going to show in 2018. CPJ’s recruiting here (Rad and Stansbury) was ranked in the 30’s and 40’s with some hidden gems. CPJ + Bobinski was 40’s and 50’s without gems.

I will also note how truly remarkable it is that CGC improved recruiting in 1 year. Last year’s class was really good. The same can be said for Mack at UNC. Not so much down in Miami as they were following Richt’s trajectory.
 
JJacket said:
Dwyer, Johnson, Thomas, Walker....



People think I'm batty when I say we were going to beat UGAg in 2008 anyway, even if we had kept Gailey. I'd say 2009 too.

Flunk gate did not help Gailey one bit.
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They scored 42 points against us in 2008 with that NFL defense. How was Gailey going to find 40 points?

2006 may have had more talent in my opinion and we saw what Gailey did with that.
 
WracerX said:
Looks like we had a pretty good group in 2014.

Given that it takes about 2 years for things to show up in recruiting, and Bobinski being here 13-16. The Bobinski effect is going to really show 15,16,17. Stansbury is going to show in 2018. CPJ’s recruiting here (Rad and Stansbury) was ranked in the 30’s and 40’s with some hidden gems. CPJ + Bobinski was 40’s and 50’s without gems.

I will also note how truly remarkable it is that CGC improved recruiting in 1 year. Last year’s class was really good. The same can be said for Mack at UNC. Not so much down in Miami as they were following Richt’s trajectory.
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Blaming bobinski is a scapegoat.
 
OptionsJacket said:
Blaming bobinski is a scapegoat.
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It is viewing the entirety of the problem. Johnson is a bit worse of a recruiter than Gailey, but not by a wide margin. The primary difference being Gailey was a closer when he got recruits on campus. Collins isn’t even the closer Chan was. But Collins gets a lot more top shelf players to come on campus, so he doesn’t need the high closing rate.

Collins is vastly better than both working the alumni and that is huge.

Check out the money sports (MBB and football) to see the disaster Bobinski was. Look at the secondary sports as well. Shoot, take a look at the relative success of IU and Purdue.
 
The Johnson idolators are peddling a lot of misleading propaganda in this thread (like preseason ratings rather than actual ratings), but there is no question that Bobinski was a disaster. I think part of the allure CPJ had with management is the misconception that with him as HFC they could shave money on recruiting budgets and still perform just well enough to keep the donating base happy.

Bobinski shaved a little too much, and that exascerbated CPJ's worst recruiting tendencies. We wound up signing theoretically viable players who wound up GONE, without helping the team, and had to build a team there at the end/past the end with the bottom half of the recruiting classes.
 
OptionsJacket said:
No, I'm arguing that blaming Bobinski is a scapegoat.
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No, you are stating that Bobinski is a scapegoat. To argue he is a scapegoat, you would have to show that the funding had little effect on recruiting as aeromech pointed out.
 
Techbert said:
The Johnson idolators are peddling a lot of misleading propaganda in this thread (like preseason ratings rather than actual ratings), but there is no question that Bobinski was a disaster. I think part of the allure CPJ had with management is the misconception that with him as HFC they could shave money on recruiting budgets and still perform just well enough to keep the donating base happy.

Bobinski shaved a little too much, and that exascerbated CPJ's worst recruiting tendencies. We wound up signing theoretically viable players who wound up GONE, without helping the team, and had to build a team there at the end/past the end with the bottom half of the recruiting classes.
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I agree with your post, except it was CPJ haters that brought up the 2008 preseason ratings, apparently the poster wasn't aware that UGA was the preseason nation champion again.
 
Techbert said:
The Johnson idolators are peddling a lot of misleading propaganda in this thread (like preseason ratings rather than actual ratings), but there is no question that Bobinski was a disaster. I think part of the allure CPJ had with management is the misconception that with him as HFC they could shave money on recruiting budgets and still perform just well enough to keep the donating base happy.

Bobinski shaved a little too much, and that exascerbated CPJ's worst recruiting tendencies. We wound up signing theoretically viable players who wound up GONE, without helping the team, and had to build a team there at the end/past the end with the bottom half of the recruiting classes.
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I don’t the know the allure with Johnson was to shave money. DRad pumped a ton of money into the program. But I think that the administration did believe what you say and ran with it after DRad bolted to Clemson to pump even more money into their program.

Football is a money sport for the most part. You can have Saban MSU results, Saban LSU results, or Saban AL results.

I am quite confident Stansbury knows that based on his time at OSU watching a joke of a rival take a turn in the spotlight.
 
Let's look at the 2016 Recruiting class, which we can say is the target of the Bobinski funding level.

I removed names, cuz it is not about individuals. Base ranking of 60th in the country. In order of 247 ranking...

.8756 good player but transferred... grass was not greener after all
.8702 injury bust and transfer
.8634 bust and transfer
.8605 bust... did not survive Collins transition
.8534 talent but issues and transferred
.8514 quarterback who woke up one day and noticed CPJ runs an option so he transferred
.8501 taken before his time
.8489 bust
.8472 bust... did not survive Collins transition
.8453 bust but gutted it out. kudos
.8410 bust
.8339 injury bust

If we had a full class of the above it would rank in the mid-30's but there were only 2 or 3 or 4 of these players we would sign in hindsight. I think CPJ signed many of them with hope instead of confidence. But it made the alumni that live or die with recruiting rankings happier than they would be.

The rest of the players...
.8272 transferred but gave it a shot
.8072 functional starter in two systems
.7912 injuries but a player
.7743 outplayed his ranking but peaked and then transferred
.7676 fought injuries

These last five, the bottom of the class, was all that was left for Collins to work with. If CPJ had recruited based on the ranking of these five, the class would have finished somewhere in the 80's or 90's probably, and armchair recruiting experts would have had a serious case of the vapors. Still, I like more of these players than most of the top two thirds of the class.

Neither coach got anything worthwhile out of most of this class. Blame Bob if you want. Blame CPJ if you want. I treat it as a joint effort.

In either case, we gave CPJ's successor a few athletes on the level of what Arkansas State could get, and not many of them.
 
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WracerX said:
It is viewing the entirety of the problem. Johnson is a bit worse of a recruiter than Gailey, but not by a wide margin. The primary difference being Gailey was a closer when he got recruits on campus. Collins isn’t even the closer Chan was. But Collins gets a lot more top shelf players to come on campus, so he doesn’t need the high closing rate.

Collins is vastly better than both working the alumni and that is huge.

Check out the money sports (MBB and football) to see the disaster Bobinski was. Look at the secondary sports as well. Shoot, take a look at the relative success of IU and Purdue.
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If you formed an all-star class from every player CPJ ever recruited it would still be worse than the 2007 class by itself.
 
Something seldom mentioned related to CPJ was his commitment to the running oriented version of the spread option offense. At Hawaii under June Jones CPJ learned a spread option where they threw the ball a lot. A-backs could line up in tight, in the slot, in the backfield or wide. This is more the offense he used at Georgia Southern. At Navy his personnel fit running more than passing and his spread option evolved to more of a triple option offense with a strong emphasis on the run. At Tech I thought he was stubbornly reluctant to consider going back to more of a June Jones style of spread option. He could certainly have had a more attractive offense for recruiting had he opened it up more.
 
77GTFan said:
Something seldom mentioned related to CPJ was his commitment to the running oriented version of the spread option offense. At Hawaii under June Jones CPJ learned a spread option where they threw the ball a lot. A-backs could line up in tight, in the slot, in the backfield or wide. This is more the offense he used at Georgia Southern. At Navy his personnel fit running more than passing and his spread option evolved to more of a triple option offense with a strong emphasis on the run. At Tech I thought he was stubbornly reluctant to consider going back to more of a June Jones style of spread option. He could certainly have had a more attractive offense for recruiting had he opened it up more.
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I remember the 08 Peach Bowl where it seemed like he tried to do that. Nesbitt ended up with something like 25 passing attempts which was way more than we saw before or after that. Of course, LSU's defense was legit and we were shut down. But it seemed like after than CPJ was content to just run the ball because we were having so much success with it. Once other teams caught up to it, we never had a QB who had a decent enough arm to incorporate the passing elements he ran at Hawaii outside of Vad and JT5.
 
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