Official argue about the old coach thread

PressManCoverage said:
Having an overall win percentage one-one-hundreth of a point better than Chan doesn't give CPJ license to leave behind the mess of poor talent that he did, and your BS excuse of he won a few games here & there just doesn't cut it.

With changes in rules over blocking, he snuck out of town like a thief in the night maybe because he was looking a 4-5 wins and dreadful Recruiting in the next 2 years.

We should the thanking CGC for saving GT's Rep among HS Coaches & Recruits by taking the Job and communicating some semblance of hope for GT FB, because CPJ was communicating nothing to HS coaches in the State of GA about his future vision for GT FB.

You fanboyz have no idea how bad GT's reputation was Statewide among Coaches & Recruits by the time he saw the writing on the wall and just up and quit.
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What does chan have to do with anything? Chan proved only how much you can squander generational talent, but I digress.

You seem to care more about feelings than winning games. Maybe this isn't the sport for you.
 
PressManCoverage said:
After NCAA rules changes shouldn't a Guy that many around here call a genius on Offense and "great Gameday HC", shouldn't a Guy like that be able to simply adjust to the Rules Changes?

After all, all the other HCs did?

Can anyone explain why our Genius-in-Residence HC was unable to adjust to the new Rules?

Does anyone know how many AL Managers in MLB quit after they started using the DH?

I'll give you a hint:

The answer starts with "z" and ends with "o"
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Our offense improved in each of Paul Johnson's last 4 years and was in the top 25 his last two:

2015: #78 in OFEI
2016: #29 in OFEI
2017: #23 in OFEI
2018: #19 in OFEI

Source: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaa/fei/overalloff/2018

Hardly "unable to adjust". The offense was good overall unless you cherrypick games where it did worse. The problem with Paul Johnson teams was always defense and that sometimes masked how good the offense was.
 
QuadF said:
What does chan have to do with anything? Chan proved only how much you can squander generational talent, but I digress.

You seem to care more about feelings than winning games. Maybe this isn't the sport for you.
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Explain why the 2014 Season, the 2008 Season, and the 2009 Season, didn't elevate our In-State Recruiting beyond where Chan had it?

Why didn't Recruits respond to all "the Big Wins" like you obviously did?

Explain & justify why the Coach at that time didn't cash in Recruiting wise, after those seasons, what did his " winning" do for GT FB in the big picture?
 
By the way here are the Collins OFEI rankings:
2019: #94 in OFEI
2020: #92 in OFEI
2021: #75 in OFEI

We are at 2015 GT levels. Awesome!
 
RussianOffense said:
Our offense improved in each of Paul Johnson's last 4 years and was in the top 25 his last two:

2015: #78 in OFEI
2016: #29 in OFEI
2017: #23 in OFEI
2018: #19 in OFEI

Source: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaa/fei/overalloff/2018

Hardly "unable to adjust". The offense was good overall unless you cherrypick games where it did worse. The problem with Paul Johnson teams was always defense and that sometimes masked how good the offense was.
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All he did was milk clock and run under 65 plays per Gm when everyone else was between 80 and 100 plays per game.

Towards the end it was brutal to see GT down 38- 7 to UGA and Clemson with CPJ milking clock to keep the scoreboard from showing a worse blowout, just to pacify fanboys like you, while we never even tried to win the Game(s).

I remember seeing that, but somehow you forgot
 
PressManCoverage said:
Explain why the 2014 Season, the 2008 Season, and the 2009 Season, didn't elevate our In-State Recruiting beyond where Chan had it?

Why didn't Recruits respond to all "the Big Wins" like you obviously did?

Explain & justify why the Coach at that time didn't cash in Recruiting wise, after those seasons, what did his " winning" do for GT FB in the big picture?
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Here you are going back to recruiting rankings and avoiding talking about wins. You're avoiding wins like CGC on game day.
 
RussianOffense said:
Our offense improved in each of Paul Johnson's last 4 years and was in the top 25 his last two:

2015: #78 in OFEI
2016: #29 in OFEI
2017: #23 in OFEI
2018: #19 in OFEI

Source: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaa/fei/overalloff/2018

Hardly "unable to adjust". The offense was good overall unless you cherrypick games where it did worse. The problem with Paul Johnson teams was always defense and that sometimes masked how good the offense was.
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He's accountable for the Defense just like CGC is accountable for PK, Special Teams and PNode's Offense.

When it comes CPJ, he always gets credit for the offense, but rarely the defense , or STs that gave up TWO house-calls in 1 game vs USF, amazing how none of those idiot play-calling moments ever stick to CPJ, his nickname oughta be Coach Free-Pass cause so many around here will give him a free-pass into perpetuity
 
QuadF said:
Here you are going back to recruiting rankings and avoiding talking about wins. You're avoiding wins like CGC on game day.
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You sound like Gene Chizik from Aubie talking about Wins with Cam Newton when they won the MNC but didn't follow it up with RECRUITING to sustain the success at decent level, no one at Aubie expected a MNC every yr, but you don't drop down and start having losing seasons.

We went from 11-3 to 3-9, now talk about "wins"
 
PressManCoverage said:
All he did was milk clock and run under 65 plays per Gm when everyone else was between 80 and 100 plays per game.
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That's just the nature of a run-heavy offense. More rushing, fewer plays. More passing, more plays.

PressManCoverage said:
Towards the end it was brutal to see GT down 38- 7 to UGA and Clemson with CPJ milking clock to keep the scoreboard from showing a worse blowout, just to pacify fanboys like you, while we never even tried to win the Game(s).

I remember seeing that, but somehow you forgot
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Yes, brutal, but we won 1 of the last 3 versus UGA and we scored 21 on them in 2018. The problem in 2018 was again the defense and not the offense. We couldn't stop them.

If you want to say that Paul Johnson's defenses were bad and his recruiting was mediocre to bad, I will agree with you. But the offense was good from start to finish--that wasn't the problem.
 
RussianOffense said:
That's just the nature of a run-heavy offense. More rushing, fewer plays. More passing, more plays.



Yes, brutal, but we won 1 of the last 3 versus UGA and we scored 21 on them in 2018. The problem in 2018 was again the defense and not the offense. We couldn't stop them.

If you want to say that Paul Johnson's defenses were bad and his recruiting was mediocre to bad, I will agree with you. But the offense was good from start to finish--that wasn't the problem.
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Hello McFly?

He's not the OC!!

He was supposed to be the Guy in charge of the entire Program, if we're only holding him accountable for the Offense for all those years, we should've cut his pay to $400K and then I would be completely silenced and would have only judged him as an OC.

And about that run heavy offense excuse, vs UGA & Clemson, he'd go the entire Game snapping the ball with under 5 seconds on the Play clock.

He never played to win in those later years vs UGA & Clemson, he played to avoid ugly blowouts
 
RussianOffense said:
That's just the nature of a run-heavy offense. More rushing, fewer plays. More passing, more plays.



Yes, brutal, but we won 1 of the last 3 versus UGA and we scored 21 on them in 2018. The problem in 2018 was again the defense and not the offense. We couldn't stop them.

If you want to say that Paul Johnson's defenses were bad and his recruiting was mediocre to bad, I will agree with you. But the offense was good from start to finish--that wasn't the problem.
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clearly you did not watch this game. It was 45-7 after 3 quarters. We had ZERO offensive points. Our lone TD was a KO return. We had 88 offensive yards in those three quarters.

Same year we were down 42-7 against Clemson late in the 3Q with a short field giving us our only score. We put up a whopping 203 yards that game.

We had a late garbage TD against Duke down 28-7. Pitt let us basically run out the clock on a 14 play drive that ended with 37 seconds on the clock.

I guess you could argue we were better at mop up scoring back then.
 
PressManCoverage said:
The comparisons never would've began had the Previous HC simply left GT FB with the same level of Talent that was here when he walked in the Door.

Why isn't anyone holding him accountable for that major screw up?
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CPJ came in the door after we went to a minor bowl, he went out the door after we went to a minor bowl. The reason for the comparison is that we "ripped the bandaid off" and didn't even attempt to field an offense that fit the personnel in any shape or fashion. Why isn't anyone holding Pnope accountable for that major screw up?
 
PressManCoverage said:
Hello McFly?

He's not the OC!!

He was supposed to be the Guy in charge of the entire Program, if we're only holding him accountable for the Offense for all those years, we should've cut his pay to $400K and then I would be completely silenced and would have only judged him as an OC.

And about that run heavy offense excuse, vs UGA & Clemson, he'd go the entire Game snapping the ball with under 5 seconds on the Play clock.

He never played to win in those later years vs UGA & Clemson, he played to avoid ugly blowouts
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He wasn't in charge of the entire program, the AD had a big hand in limiting the staff. He also was not given the budget for recruiting that CGC has been given. Luckily TStan actually believes in having a recruiting staff (unlike Sasquatch) and we have helicopters and food trucks on the field now. I think the damage MBob did to the program gets often overlooked.
 
Wow, a lot of action in this thread. Y’all were really eager to talk about CPJ.
 
RussianOffense said:
Fair enough. He still did well against Duke no matter what other things people want to criticize him on
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He did well against many schools, until they figured him out. What if he stayed 3 more years? What would be his record against Duke these last 3 years? Statistically, .333, and I think with the roster he left he would be lucky to get that one win.
 
WracerX said:
In an effort to clean up all football threads going forward, keep arguments about the old coach here.

Feel free to argue about the current staff elsewhere.

Like/hate the old offense -> here
Like/hate new offense -> elsewhere
Old coach + older coach’s players -> here
Hypotheticals old coach + new players -> here
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covingtonjacket said:
Post of the year if effective IMO
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Has already failed. Termites cannot help themselves.
 
BigDanT said:
Wow, a lot of action in this thread. Y’all were really eager to talk about CPJ.
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That’s what happens when you peak out at 3 wins for 3 years. You have nothing left but hope for the future. Paired with that feeling is a burning desire to understand why you feel your immediate situation sucks. Instead of acknowledging the mistakes you’ve made, you blame others for your failures.

It’s a case study of the human condition.
 
RussianOffense said:
That's just the nature of a run-heavy offense. More rushing, fewer plays. More passing, more plays.



Yes, brutal, but we won 1 of the last 3 versus UGA and we scored 21 on them in 2018. The problem in 2018 was again the defense and not the offense. We couldn't stop them.

If you want to say that Paul Johnson's defenses were bad and his recruiting was mediocre to bad, I will agree with you. But the offense was good from start to finish--that wasn't the problem.
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Wasn't he the head coach and not just the offensive coordinator?

What if the defense was bad because of the offense he ran? There is serious evidence of that.

And his great record was front-loaded. The more you saw the offense the easier it became to stop it. And give a team a month to prepare, and you wind up with our bowl record.

Coach Paul Johnson finished the season ranked once in his last 9 seasons... and to think we fired the coach prior to try to escape mediocrity!
 
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