Brian Kelly to LSU [Mod Note: Happy 20th Anniversary Notre Dame scumbags]

18in32 said:
You're comparing the state of ND's program with the state of Army's and Navy's? Huh? ND will never dominate CFB like it did in the mid-century era, when it was the only 'national' program with a national (ethnocentric) fanbase. But ND remains a rich program with lots of talent – and lots of recent success to show for it. The idea that they lost two recent CFP appearances proves they are irrelevant is ridiculous. It proves they aren't as good as the two teams that beat them, and on that, no one would disagree. But being 3d or 4th best in the country is the opposite of being a 'second tier program.' (Unless I guess you define first tier as two teams!)
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Could you not have made this exact same posts about the service academies a few decades ago?
 
Brian Kelly is good, but there's a significant chance he's not good for LSU. Lest we forget, he bolted from #3 Cincy before their Sugar Bowl, now he's bolted from #6 ND which might still get into the CFP with a little chaos. He keeps leaving places riiight before he accomplishes the goal, and Saban won't be around forever.............
 
ThisIsAtlanta said:
Brian Kelly is good, but there's a significant chance he's not good for LSU. Lest we forget, he bolted from #3 Cincy before their Sugar Bowl, now he's bolted from #6 ND which might still get into the CFP with a little chaos. He keeps leaving places riiight before he accomplishes the goal, and Saban won't be around forever.............
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His pull out game is impeccable.
 
aeromech said:
Could you not have made this exact same posts about the service academies a few decades ago?
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A few decades ago? Would you care to guess the last time Army or Navy finished in the Top 5? 1958 for Army (#3), 1963 for Navy (#2).
 
18in32 said:
A few decades ago? Would you care to guess the last time Army or Navy finished in the Top 5? 1958 for Army (#3), 1963 for Navy (#2).
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Exactly, they were both top 5 programs. Army has 2 National Championships and 3 Heisman Trophy winners. Navy has 1 National Championship and 2 Heisman Trophy winners. Where are they now. Does anyone think of Army or Navy as top tier programs? There is no reason to think ND will always be a top tier program, in fact it is arguable amongst fans under 50 that they aren't one now. Georgia Tech has won a National Championship more recently that ND. I would agree they are high profile right now; but the way the football landscape is shaping up how long can they maintain it? All it takes is for the major conferences to stop giving them preferential treatment come playoff time and they are toast.
 
aeromech said:
Exactly, they were both top 5 programs. Army has 2 National Championships and 3 Heisman Trophy winners. Navy has 1 National Championship and 2 Heisman Trophy winners. Where are they now. Does anyone think of Army or Navy as top tier programs? There is no reason to think ND will always be a top tier program, in fact it is arguable amongst fans under 50 that they aren't one now. Georgia Tech has won a National Championship more recently that ND. I would agree they are high profile right now; but the way the football landscape is shaping up how long can they maintain it? All it takes is for the major conferences to stop giving them preferential treatment come playoff time and they are toast.
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So You’re speculating about fifty years in the future? On that timeline any program could disappear. Certainly does not demonstrate that ND is an also ran.
 
18in32 said:
So You’re speculating about fifty years in the future? On that timeline any program could disappear. Certainly does not demonstrate that ND is an also ran.
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It doesn't take fifty years, Navy was #2 in the nation in 1963, went to the Cotton Bowl, and did not have another winning season for over a decade. I know it easy for us old guys to believe ND will always be a top tier program because it always has been; but if the major conferences align against them they will just be a has been.
 
aeromech said:
I know it easy for us old guys to believe ND will always be a top tier program because it always has been; but if the major conferences align against them they will just be a has been.
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Huh? I hardly think that at all. ND could tank tomorrow just like any other program. You claimed ND was *already* a second-tier program. That's crazy.
 
18in32 said:
Huh? I hardly think that at all. ND could tank tomorrow just like any other program. You claimed ND was *already* a second-tier program. That's crazy.
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Their coach just jumped because he wants to have a shot a national championship. He wasn't taking a step down or even a lateral.
 
ThisIsAtlanta said:
It's really hard to tell what is going on in this video. Is the criticism here that they recycled some footage of him sitting down?
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I think that and also that the recycling epitomizes something deeper. "Brian Kelly is an insincere self-serving traitor. Not only can he not come up with fresh cliches for LSU, he can't even come up with fresh B-roll."
 
18in32 said:
I think that and also that the recycling epitomizes something deeper. "Brian Kelly is an insincere self-serving traitor. Not only can he not come up with fresh cliches for LSU, he can't even come up with fresh B-roll."
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Yeah, I get that feeling from the post but I doubt Kelly has much control of which B-roll is being used in the pan-sports-network coverage of his hire one day after the fact.
 
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