A Player’s Mom Speaks

[clapper]

So being a whiny little bitch is bad?

Damn. Why haven’t I ever thought of that?!?!

Yeah, we can’t understand why you ever thought of that either. Mom might not be a fan for life, but her pretty badass cupcake likely will be.

 

[GTRules]

Yeah, we can’t understand why you ever thought of that either. Mom might not be a fan for life, but her pretty badass cupcake likely will be.

So you think that he, as an alum, would never bitch about losing?

I think he would.

 

[JJacket]

So you think that he, as an alum, would never bitch about losing?

I think he would.

I don't care if our fans bitch about losing. It is just the constant drone of dumbassey. Everyone knew this transition would be difficult. Let Collins get his classes in here and evaluate. Some posters seem to find joy in us losing so they can come on here and gloat. Several posters who haven't been on the board in months or years have just showed up to bitch

I so find it quite hilarious that another poster on the board is going to "tell" on me to JD and attempt to set up JD kicking my ass because I'm gonna be too afraid to tell him to shut the hell up to a player's mom to his face. Oh no!!! I gotta go to Ellijay and get my comeuppance.

 

[DinnerJacket]

I don't care if our fans bitch about losing. It is just the constant drone of dumbassey. Everyone knew this transition would be difficult. Let Collins get his classes in here and evaluate. Some posters seem to find joy in us losing so they can come on here and gloat. Several posters who haven't been on the board in months or years have just showed up to bitch

I so find it quite hilarious that another poster on the board is going to "tell" on me to JD and attempt to set up JD kicking my ass because I'm gonna be too afraid to tell him to shut the hell up to a player's mom to his face. Oh no!!! I gotta go to Ellijay and get my comeuppance.

"It is just the constant drone of dumbassey." Boy if there ever was a more ironic post. You really are dumber than a bag of rocks. I did not say I was gong to run and 'tell on you'. I just wanted to see you back up your big talk. I simply had pointed out that a former player had an opinion that differed from several on this board about the effect of things said on this board and others. And here you come, guns a blazing, acting all tough and saying what you would tell him to do. Well, since I know John personally, I said I would set it up for you to do so, And like I assumed, you're nothing but a big blowhard chicken. You add little to no substance on this board or the political board. All you do is strut around and try to make others look bad instead of debating the merits of their post. I don't agree with every CGC hater, and I don't agree with every CGC lover. But I don't jump on every post and spew profanity and locker room humor. I will say this, if a former player speaks, I tend to listen a little more to him than someone who has a track record in life that, well, doesn't have a lot of pluses.

 

[BuzzLaw]

I don't care if our fans bitch about losing. It is just the constant drone of dumbassey. Everyone knew this transition would be difficult. Let Collins get his classes in here and evaluate. Some posters seem to find joy in us losing so they can come on here and gloat. Several posters who haven't been on the board in months or years have just showed up to bitch

I so find it quite hilarious that another poster on the board is going to "tell" on me to JD and attempt to set up JD kicking my ass because I'm gonna be too afraid to tell him to shut the hell up to a player's mom to his face. Oh no!!! I gotta go to Ellijay and get my comeuppance.

I agree with this but it’s really difficult not to bitch and moan about some of these losses, and I’ve certainly participated.

It’s clear we are on an upward trajectory. Our recruiting is getting better. Our losses, to the extent they can be graded, are getting better. I think we’re a year or two away from consistently winning 8-10 games.

If GC can keep the players he’s recruited and continue to get good players here, then I believe he’ll get us over the hump. But if players start leaving and recruits start decommitting, it’s over.

 

[JJacket]

I agree with this but it’s really difficult not to bitch and moan about some of these losses, and I’ve certainly participated.

It’s clear we are on an upward trajectory. Our recruiting is getting better. Our losses, to the extent they can be graded, are getting better. I think we’re a year or two away from consistently winning 8-10 games.

If GC can keep the players he’s recruited and continue to get good players here, then I believe he’ll get us over the hump. But if players start leaving and recruits start decommitting, it’s over.

Wish some would step back from the ledge. Our GameDay chat starts out negative and some posters are negative the entire way through. Just miserable.

 

[JJacket]

"It is just the constant drone of dumbassey." Boy if there ever was a more ironic post. You really are dumber than a bag of rocks. I did not say I was gong to run and 'tell on you'. I just wanted to see you back up your big talk. I simply had pointed out that a former player had an opinion that differed from several on this board about the effect of things said on this board and others. And here you come, guns a blazing, acting all tough and saying what you would tell him to do. Well, since I know John personally, I said I would set it up for you to do so, And like I assumed, you're nothing but a big blowhard chicken. You add little to no substance on this board or the political board. All you do is strut around and try to make others look bad instead of debating the merits of their post. I don't agree with every CGC hater, and I don't agree with every CGC lover. But I don't jump on every post and spew profanity and locker room humor. I will say this, if a former player speaks, I tend to listen a little more to him than someone who has a track record in life that, well, doesn't have a lot of pluses.

Paragraphs are your friend

I don't give a crap who you are friends with. The 5th grade "I'm gonna tell!" is a damn punk move. I seriously doubt you are such a good friend of JD that you plan his fights for him. He's a pretty big boy and probably doesn't need you running to him like someone stole your Barbie Doll and you need his protection

 

[Tampa Jacket]

Schools will draw some percentage of alums because of loyalty to the school. Outside of that you need to sell the program through results to bring in sidewalk fans. I find many of those type fans more loyal (good and bad sometimes) to GT than most other schools.

When you get to a point where you feel the school isn’t supporting the program the problems begin. “Georgia Tech is a seven win program” Braine-Clough. Can’t get in touch with the AD (Johnson—Bobinski) or you build a staff mainly out of low experience guys who aren’t making much compared to the programs we wish to be competing with (Stansbury-Collins).

People get tired of spending time and money when you get on average low or middling results. Investing in mediocrity is not well tolerated in any arena. It just so happens football falls under entertainment. There has been one entertaining game this year and very few fora while now. This will not be well received but not every ugag season ticket holder is a mouth breathing idiot. They have a better product to sell.

UGA does have a better product to sell but they also:

1) implement measures to win that would never be tolerated by The Hill, The Georgia Board of Regents (all UGA grads) or by the NCAA if Georgia Tech tried to cut corners and implement the same measures to win.
Kirby Smart brought Alabama‘s methodology to the “art of recruiting” to The University of Georgia. And I’ll leave it to your imagination what that “art” is. But Georgia Tech would never get away with that “art”.

2). UGA admits more of, and a different kind of student in general than Georgia Tech. UGA is much bigger and has far more students from the state of Georgia that grew up watching their parents cheer for the Dawgs. Their parents went to football games. And they go to football games. The same is not true at Georgia Tech. Georgia Tech has a lot of out of state and out of country students. And the students they have from the state of Georgia tend to be more academically focused, and care less about athletics.

Paul Johnson never sugarcoated anything. Whenever the subject of the University of Georgia came up compared to Georgia Tech, his analogy was always that “you’re talking apples versus oranges “. And he is right. It’s always been that way. It’s even more that way now.

 

[JoeCakeEater]

UGA does have a better product to sell but they also:

1) implement measures to win that would never be tolerated by The Hill, The Georgia Board of Regents (all UGA grads) or by the NCAA if Georgia Tech tried to cut corners and implement the same measures to win.
Kirby Smart brought Alabama‘s methodology to the “art of recruiting” to The University of Georgia. And I’ll leave it to your imagination what that “art” is. But Georgia Tech would never get away with that “art”.

2). UGA admits more of, and a different kind of student in general than Georgia Tech. UGA is much bigger and has far more students from the state of Georgia that grew up watching their parents cheer for the Dawgs. Their parents went to football games. And they go to football games. The same is not true at Georgia Tech. Georgia Tech has a lot of out of state and out of country students. And the students they have from the state of Georgia tend to be more academically focused, and care less about athletics.

Paul Johnson never sugarcoated anything. Whenever the subject of the University of Georgia came up compared to Georgia Tech, his analogy was always that “you’re talking apples versus oranges “. And he is right. It’s always been that way. It’s even more that way now.

End of that day, UGA is a large state school with a large (sidewalk) fan base and nearly unlimited resources, whereas Tech is a niche school with minimal resources. When college athletics became an arms race, we fell way behind. If we had the finances to have the best facilities, or have the highest recruiting budget in the country (Georgia does btw), or to pay the best assistant coaches, or to have a bunch of non-gameday QC/special assistant coaches, et el... then our expectations should change. Unfortunately, we are trying to compete with a powerhouse football program using a shoestring budget. As of right now we're not having success doing that.

All that said, I am impressed with the recruiting efforts. I'd think a string of top 30-ish recruiting classes would give us a talent advantage against most ACC teams. I do see the on-field progress. Unfortunately it hasn't translated into more wins, but we are competitive later in games. Finishing 1-5 so far in games decided by single digit points is encouraging, because it means we're close. The margin (as coach talks about) is pretty thin across the ACC (see the yearly circle of suck), so it's really only a handful of plays in any given game that turns a <=9-pt loss into a win. For that reason I don't want to pull the plug, although I am disappointed we aren't going to sniff a bowl game in year 3 under Collins. A bowl game was my expectation heading into the year.

 

[vapspwi]

Several From the Rumble Seat posts today, mostly based on advanced stats stuff, paints a more depressing picture of our improvement. Like, getting lucky breaks has kept games closer than they should be, and other teams are down so they’re closer to our level.

I’d like to think that we really are closing the gap and just need to learn how to finish and learn how to win, but some of their analysis isn’t that rosy. I guess we’ll see next year with another year’s experience under our belt.

JRjr

 

[JJacket]

Several From the Rumble Seat posts today, mostly based on advanced stats stuff, paints a more depressing picture of our improvement. Like, getting lucky breaks has kept games closer than they should be, and other teams are down so they’re closer to our level.

I’d like to think that we really are closing the gap and just need to learn how to finish and learn how to win, but some of their analysis isn’t that rosy. I guess we’ll see next year with another year’s experience under our belt.

JRjr

The more we practice, the luckier we get

 

[PressManCoverage]

End of that day, UGA is a large state school with a large (sidewalk) fan base and nearly unlimited resources, whereas Tech is a niche school with minimal resources. When college athletics became an arms race, we fell way behind. If we had the finances to have the best facilities, or have the highest recruiting budget in the country (Georgia does btw), or to pay the best assistant coaches, or to have a bunch of non-gameday QC/special assistant coaches, et el... then our expectations should change. Unfortunately, we are trying to compete with a powerhouse football program using a shoestring budget. As of right now we're not having success doing that.

Tell both sides of the story.

GT used to be a big money program, and then we made a series of decisions to give away every advantage that we built.

Once upon a time GT used to wield its power like a bully making the Mississippi Schools in the SEC come to ATL more frequently than we played on the Road at their place, we made Clemson play in ATL about 15 yrs in a row or something ridiculous.

GT lost the CFB arms race because we were arrogant, stupid, and refused to see how the landscape of CFB & College Sports was changing.

Once upon a time Grant Field was the same as all the other "Big Stadiums" in the Deep South with a 60K capacity.

We ruined ourselves, and then we did what Aaron Rodgers types (smartest guy in the room) do, we blamed every outside force but ourselves.

Please stop talking about Recruiting Budget, we are in a hotbed of Talent that are also Academic Qualifiers, Stanford, ND, BD, Duke, UVA, Michigan, Vandy have GA at the Top of their States to target for Recruits.

Nearby Talent is way more important than recruiting budget.

 

[PressManCoverage]

UGA does have a better product to sell but they also:

1) implement measures to win that would never be tolerated by The Hill, The Georgia Board of Regents (all UGA grads) or by the NCAA if Georgia Tech tried to cut corners and implement the same measures to win.
Kirby Smart brought Alabama‘s methodology to the “art of recruiting” to The University of Georgia. And I’ll leave it to your imagination what that “art” is. But Georgia Tech would never get away with that “art”.

Cute story Bro, if this was 1980.

Under Vince Dooley uga recruited anybody that could play, regardless of academics, as long as they could play, but the uga of the 2010s up until now is very different.

Under Vince Dooley, maybe 15 of their 85 scholarship Players could have gotten a FB scholarship to GT, under Richt, then Kurby maybe 45 of their scholarship could get a FB scholarship to GT, they aren't recruiting like Auburn or Miss State or LSU.

HS FB is different from back in the 70s & 80s, back then the best HS FB Teams were in extremely poor Areas or extremely rural Areas with poor schools, now HS FB finds the best Teams located in upscale suburbs with good schools that illegally recruit players from poorer Areas, so now a lot of the more Talented Players are now able to go to College and major in Business or Communications vs majoring in Early Childhood Development at Auburn.

Haven't you noticed , Nationwide very little is ever said anymore about players being Academically ineligible, back in the 80s & 90s Fanbases all over the Country used to nervously await Summer School grades to see if they would lose any key players off the Depth Chart.

 

[GTRules]

Paragraphs are your friend

I don't give a crap who you are friends with. The 5th grade "I'm gonna tell!" is a damn punk move. I seriously doubt you are such a good friend of JD that you plan his fights for him. He's a pretty big boy and probably doesn't need you running to him like someone stole your Barbie Doll and you need his protection

Now you’re just flupping the brack.

 

[swampsting]

End of that day, UGA is a large state school with a large (sidewalk) fan base and nearly unlimited resources, whereas Tech is a niche school with minimal resources. When college athletics became an arms race, we fell way behind. If we had the finances to have the best facilities, or have the highest recruiting budget in the country (Georgia does btw), or to pay the best assistant coaches, or to have a bunch of non-gameday QC/special assistant coaches, et el... then our expectations should change. Unfortunately, we are trying to compete with a powerhouse football program using a shoestring budget. As of right now we're not having success doing that.

All that said, I am impressed with the recruiting efforts. I'd think a string of top 30-ish recruiting classes would give us a talent advantage against most ACC teams. I do see the on-field progress. Unfortunately it hasn't translated into more wins, but we are competitive later in games. Finishing 1-5 so far in games decided by single digit points is encouraging, because it means we're close. The margin (as coach talks about) is pretty thin across the ACC (see the yearly circle of suck), so it's really only a handful of plays in any given game that turns a <=9-pt loss into a win. For that reason I don't want to pull the plug, although I am disappointed we aren't going to sniff a bowl game in year 3 under Collins. A bowl game was my expectation heading into the year.

However, three of the teams we play every year are pulling in top 15 or better classes.
And though the talent, in terms of recruiting ranking, may be judged better than those of other teams, especially those in our division, is the coaching good enough to cement that difference?
We may look at a few plays that turn a loss into a win. But, conversely, can't the other guys look at a few plays that turn a one-score loss into a more comfortable margin? That stuff works both ways.
Close losses to a mostly weak sister group of teams (Virginia's good offensively. They are not particularly adept at defense, either) doesn't fill me with confidence.

 

[GTCrew4b]

Several From the Rumble Seat posts today, mostly based on advanced stats stuff, paints a more depressing picture of our improvement. Like, getting lucky breaks has kept games closer than they should be, and other teams are down so they’re closer to our level.

I’d like to think that we really are closing the gap and just need to learn how to finish and learn how to win, but some of their analysis isn’t that rosy. I guess we’ll see next year with another year’s experience under our belt.

JRjr

You don’t need fancy stats fo tell you it isn’t often that:

UNC gives away 3 fumbles and a missed FG
UVA allows multiple onside kick recoveries
Clemson allows onside kick recoveries
Miami fumbles 3 times in one half or throws a pick -6 2 pt conversion
Duke misses 2 sub-40 yard FG.

We are a very lucky team this season and we’ve essentially wasted all the luck.

 

[Tampa Jacket]

Cute story Bro, if this was 1980.

Under Vince Dooley uga recruited anybody that could play, regardless of academics, as long as they could play, but the uga of the 2010s up until now is very different.

Under Vince Dooley, maybe 15 of their 85 scholarship Players could have gotten a FB scholarship to GT, under Richt, then Kurby maybe 45 of their scholarship could get a FB scholarship to GT, they aren't recruiting like Auburn or Miss State or LSU.

HS FB is different from back in the 70s & 80s, back then the best HS FB Teams were in extremely poor Areas or extremely rural Areas with poor schools, now HS FB finds the best Teams located in upscale suburbs with good schools that illegally recruit players from poorer Areas, so now a lot of the more Talented Players are now able to go to College and major in Business or Communications vs majoring in Early Childhood Development at Auburn.

Haven't you noticed , Nationwide very little is ever said anymore about players being Academically ineligible, back in the 80s & 90s Fanbases all over the Country used to nervously await Summer School grades to see if they would lose any key players off the Depth Chart.

You are living in la-la land. “Academic eligibility “ is non-existent at all SEC schools and has been forever. What we’re talking about is paying players and their families. If you think all those 5-star players that sit in the bench at UGA and Bama when they could be starting at Texas, Oklahoma, Florida and other schools just because they want to play for Bama and Georgia, I’ve got swamp land I’ll sell you. The idea that it is OK to pay players has become so common at Bama that Jeremy Pruitt thought he could get away with it I just passing it out in the locker room in lunch sacks at Tennessee. The accusations were well publicized by a famous Georgia high school coach in the media last year. And unsurprisingly, absolutely nothing came from the NCAA. I don’t think there was even an investigation. The NCAA doesn’t care what goes on at The Factories. The NCAA too worried about jerseys and cotton T-shirts being mishandled by the Georgia Techs of the world and taking away their ACC championship banners.

 

[THWG247]

You don’t need fancy stats fo tell you it isn’t often that:

UNC gives away 3 fumbles and a missed FG
UVA allows multiple onside kick recoveries
Clemson allows onside kick recoveries
Miami fumbles 3 times in one half or throws a pick -6 2 pt conversion
Duke misses 2 sub-40 yard FG.

We are a very lucky team this season and we’ve essentially wasted all the luck.

Most teams win with a certain amount of luck don’t you think? There’s only 2-3 cfb teams that can just enforce their will upon the others. Look at 2014, one of our very best seasons and a truly great GT team but there was “luck“ baked into a lot of our wins that year and most other good seasons as well.

 

[GTCrew4b]

Most teams win with a certain amount of luck don’t you think? There’s only 2-3 cfb teams that can just enforce their will upon the others. Look at 2014, one of our very best seasons and a truly great GT team but there was “luck“ baked into a lot of our wins that year and most other good seasons as well.

Didn’t say we didn’t or that there isn’t. What I have said is: this season is closer to 2-7 than it is to 7-2.

 

[vapspwi]

Most teams win with a certain amount of luck don’t you think? There’s only 2-3 cfb teams that can just enforce their will upon the others. Look at 2014, one of our very best seasons and a truly great GT team but there was “luck“ baked into a lot of our wins that year and most other good seasons as well.

Being lucky and getting some breaks is great. Nothing to be ashamed of. The point is that we’re getting a lot of breaks that are helping make things look closer than they really are, and in the long term, success depends on getting better at the stuff we can control and not relying on the stuff we can’t control.

JRjr