ACC, B1G, and Pac-12 alliance announcement- I fixed it

OptionJacket said:
So now we have fans advocating for manipulation and anything that doesn’t involve beating the SEC on the field. This is bizzaro world. How about everyone just line up and beat them? We have fans talking about everything but actually beating them. It’s just ridiculous. Sports is the last bastion where score is kept and many frown at that. I actually think that’s the best part of sports. The SEC has won 11 of the last 20 years and are currently on a 2 title winning streak. Let’s just beat them and not whine about everything except the scoreboard.

Listen, I totally agree that preseason polls give those at the top and undue advantage. We’ve all seen a team ranked lose 3 and are still ranked. I get it. But where have these alliance schools been all these decades and why haven’t they addressed it back in the 90’s when the polls became god for the BCS? That’s my point. Some of you are pinning hopes on schools to save us who have never addressed any of the important stuff. The SEC and many others have been cheating for years yet all these schools with the voting numbers never forced the NCAA to put a stop to it. Now, we are suppose to believe them? We are all getting scammed and it’s not by the SEC. The SEC is honest. You may not like them but they are honest and open about putting football first and winning games.
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Was the SEC "honest" about boosters handing players walking around cash?
 
ThisIsAtlanta said:
We need to force them to change the name to "little 12" at the very least.
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I for one, feel for those schools. We can't on one hand call this group the LITTLE TWELVE but then complain about the SEC having unfair advantages. Couldn't we just wish well for all the schools out there?
 
Liberty said:
If the ACC plays this correctly (along with Big and Pac sisters) the SEC could end up being regionalized and isolated. Yeah the SEC may dominate a certain type of fan in the southeast, but the ACC teams all end up part of a national conference. If they agree to limit games to themselves, minus perhaps a single rivalry game each year that doesn’t count towards rankings/standings, etc. SEC basically ends up with a handful of powerhouse teams such as Bammer, Awbarn, Tex, OU, UF, A&M with the rest a bunch of wannbee perennial runners ups like the dwags, UT, SCe beating the bottom feeders like Mizzou, Vandy and those Miss schools.

Then you got the coast to coast alliance the ACC is part of, where you section it off and have 4, 16 team regions playing for a national championship each year. You divide each 16 team region into divisions of 8, have #1 play #2 in other half with winners moving to regional championship. Then regional winners playoffs, with those winners squaring off for championship. That’s 4 games max for the 2 in the championship game, it takes a month and lets the losers fill bowl games. They could basically lock the SEC out of anything meaningful except bragging about their own conference.

If the new alliance picks up the 8 remaining members of the Big 12, you have to line up another 16 from the likes of UCF, USF, BYU, Cincy, Boise, the 3 academies, Uconn, Houston, Memphis, etc take your pick from whatever gives a national major market balance where possible.
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And then you woke up.
 
GoJackets89 said:
If you can't see the power concentration and how that impacts NIL and what the SEC is doing, I recommend a new optometrist.

Anyways, I'll back off the snide comments now.
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OptionJacket said:
So now we have fans advocating for manipulation and anything that doesn’t involve beating the SEC on the field. This is bizzaro world. How about everyone just line up and beat them? We have fans talking about everything but actually beating them. It’s just ridiculous. Sports is the last bastion where score is kept and many frown at that. I actually think that’s the best part of sports. The SEC has won 11 of the last 20 years and are currently on a 2 title winning streak. Let’s just beat them and not whine about everything except the scoreboard.
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Okay, let's give everyone else a chance to play Vandy, Tenn, Mizzou, Arkansas, both MS teams and USC(e). Hell, throw in A&M and UF at this point. That's 75% of the SEC.

Of those 11 championships, six are by one team. Auburn got theirs by buying a QB (last year they were preseason #10 and finished 6-5). The öööö hit the fan at LSU after their last one and they weren't exactly solid last year (despite being ranked #4 preseason). We vacated an ACC championship for less.

Where is this SEC strength you are talking about?
 
Liberty said:
Yes, I was dreaming. Perhaps 1 day the ACC will not act like the little bitch of a conference it is and man up, take on the big boys?
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The sad fact is it is hard to compete against giant cash cows with small, private schools with tiny fanbases
 
clapper said:
Okay, let's give everyone else a chance to play Vandy, Tenn, Mizzou, Arkansas, both MS teams and USC(e). Hell, throw in A&M and UF at this point. That's 75% of the SEC.

Of those 11 championships, six are by one team. Auburn got theirs by buying a QB (last year they were preseason #10 and finished 6-5). The öööö hit the fan at LSU after their last one and they weren't exactly solid last year (despite being ranked #4 preseason). We vacated an ACC championship for less.

Where is this SEC strength you are talking about?
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Are you seriously saying the SEC isn’t the strongest conference in the country? I hate them as much as everyone else does, but they have been the clear dominant conference. Look at bowl records, out of conference records among the P5 conferences. Heck, look at rivalries. It’s not even close. It’s sucks, but it’s not true.
 
79tech said:
I really think there is a deep rooted feeling, and the feeling has been around for years, from non-SEC school presidents and many ADs that the SEC has gone too far in professionalizing football. For example, Adams while at UGA had a huge party bus with big donors as he arrived at dawg games while the Tech President could be seen walking the sidewalk with his wife to the game. This is just an example and I guess ok but schools are for education. I think the SEC justifies it by believing football is great marketing and helps their school brand name and ultimately improves their student body. What's wrong with a little fun - right. For god sakes, Bama would be less of a choice for Georgia high school students without football. So I hear them but it can go too far. 17 game seasons are tough on athletes, no academic requirements such that most of the athletes end up without jobs nor an education is not the right mission, money fraud and just a simple unbalanced situation where football team is more important than the school itself has to be questioned.

The Texas/Oklahoma thing was over the top. The Big12 felt it was negotiating in good faith on CFP while at the same time the SEC guy sitting next to you was working on a plan of gutting your conference without telling you. I think the SEC could have been upfront and still got Texas and Oklahoma. Unwanted takeovers happen every day in business but these are educational institutions not business institutions. The SEC sees football as a business not as part of education. The other conferences see sports as part education and part business. And that is the crux of the matter.
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preach it brother…we’ll said.
 
GTWannaBee said:
Look at bowl records...
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Since '98, LSU, Bama, UGA(g) and Ole Miss are 47-19 vs P5, The rest of the conference is 49-53.

GTWannaBee said:
...out of conference records among the P5 conferences.
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Since '98, LSU, Bama and UGA(g) are 93-33 in all P5 interconference games. The rest of the conference is 157-166.

Versus the ACC alone, the same three are 45-11. The rest are 65-73.

The SEC isn't great. Three schools are. The rest are like everybody else.
 
clapper said:
Since '98, LSU, Bama and UGA(g) are 93-33 in all P5 interconference games. The rest of the conference is 157-166.

Versus the ACC alone, the same three are 45-11. The rest are 65-73.

The SEC isn't great. Three schools are. The rest are like everybody else.
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Wow - I'm going to buy a billboard in Bristol, CT and plaster this stat for all to see.
 
clapper said:
Since '98, LSU, Bama, UGA(g) and Ole Miss are 47-19 vs P5, The rest of the conference is 49-53.


Since '98, LSU, Bama and UGA(g) are 93-33 in all P5 interconference games. The rest of the conference is 157-166.

Versus the ACC alone, the same three are 45-11. The rest are 65-73.

The SEC isn't great. Three schools are. The rest are like everybody else.
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Ok, I’ll bite. Why 1998? What about the last 10 years?
 
GTWannaBee said:
Ok, I’ll bite. Why 1998?
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Just lazy. It was a table that was already compiled.

GTWannaBee said:
What about the last 10 years?
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Had more time now. How about 2012-2019? That's after A&M and Mizzou joined through the last not f'ed up season.

LSU, Bama, and UGA(g) were 40-11. The rest of the conference was 63-66, including Ark not playing a P5 team the last two seasons, Vandy skipping two other seasons, Miss St and Kentucky taking a year off each. That's 63-66 with four bottom feeders taking six seasons of losses off. Over that period, only three teams other than LSU, Bama, and UGA(g) had winning records - Tennessee (7-4), A&M (7-6), USC(e) (9-8).
 
clapper said:
Just lazy. It was a table that was already compiled.


Had more time now. How about 2012-2019? That's after A&M and Mizzou joined through the last not f'ed up season.

LSU, Bama, and UGA(g) were 40-11. The rest of the conference was 63-66, including Ark not playing a P5 team the last two seasons, Vandy skipping two other seasons, Miss St and Kentucky taking a year off each. That's 63-66 with four bottom feeders taking six seasons of losses off. Over that period, only three teams other than LSU, Bama, and UGA(g) had winning records - Tennessee (7-4), A&M (7-6), USC(e) (9-8).
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I will concede that the SEC is top heavy, but what conference isn’t? Look at the ACC. We’ve got Clemson. Outside of Clemson, who has consistently won their OOC games against P5 teams?
 
GTWannaBee said:
I will concede that the SEC is top heavy, but what conference isn’t? Look at the ACC. We’ve got Clemson. Outside of Clemson, who has consistently won their OOC games against P5 teams?
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I agree, but that's the exact reason you can't say the SEC as a conference is head and shoulders above the others. How would the top teams in the other conferences fare playing those top SEC team's schedules? Look at Alabama 2019 - Duke, New Mexico St., USC(e), Ole Miss, So. Miss, A&M, Tenn, Ark, LSU (loss), Miss St., W. Carolina, Auburn (loss). How would any top team (or mediocre one) do?
 
GTWannaBee said:
Yeah, I’m going to call BS on that one. Players want one more game no matter what bowl they’re in or who they’re playing. Especially seniors looking for one more last chance before leaving football behind. And the schools absolutely want the attention that comes with an added bowl game. Think they’re not important? Just look how kissed Tech fans are that we haven’t been to a bowl in a few years.
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Yeah, our players really showed an interest in our last bowl game. In case you haven’t noticed players are skipping meaningless bowls and it’s only going to get worse. And what Tech fans were po’d we weren’t in a bowl game after winning 3 games? If we win 7 games this year and go to a worthless bowl in late December I won’t be thrilled we are bowling, I’ll be thrilled that the team gets to practice for a few more weeks and I’ll enjoy watching our team for another 3 hours. But, it’s not like I won’t be able to sleep the night before because of the anticipation. And something tells me a guy named Gibbs would probably get a hammy in practice leading up so he wouldn’t play. And the coaches would be correct in doing that.
 
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