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savbandjacket said:
I’d have to think that UNC and UVa are in there. I think the list, in order is

1a. UNC
1b. UVa
3. Miami
4. GT

I think that we are probably interchangeable with Miami in a 3a and 3b scenario.
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Why would the BIG10 want UNC and UVA over GT and Miami? GT and Miami are in major population centers. Charlottesville sucks. Chapel Hill sucks.
 
JJacket said:
Why would the BIG10 want UNC and UVA over GT and Miami? GT and Miami are in major population centers. Charlottesville sucks. Chapel Hill sucks.
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Because UVa solidifies the DC metro area with Maryland and brings in the Virginia market. North Carolina is a big market too with Charlotte, Greensboro, and Raleigh. It’s also contiguous with the main conference footprint (ignoring the goofy addition of California schools) and would give a contiguous footprint to add Georgia (us) and Florida (Miami).

Schools being state markets, not city markets.

The other factor we are not considering is AAU membership.
 
Let's see. The BIG could add metro Atlanta, the Mercedes Dome, the Chick-fil A kickoff games, a top-rated technology school, and unparalleled sports/TV production capabilities, or they could add Chapel Hill, Blacksburg, or Charlottesville. Seems like a no-brainer to me.
 
I know things point to the BIG as a likely destination for us if the ACC were to implode but I sure do like the GT-SEC matchups. I for one can't wait until we play Ole Miss at the Grove. I'm one that values regional (southeastern rivals) more. I've been to the Big House and while it's cool, they're just a different crowd. It's almost a different world football culture wise up there. I've been the ND. Different as well. Personally I feel more at home with opposing fans that have more in common with us with common rivals we can talk about. I miss the old conference alignments.
 
savbandjacket said:
Because UVa solidifies the DC metro area with Maryland and brings in the Virginia market. North Carolina is a big market too with Charlotte, Greensboro, and Raleigh. It’s also contiguous with the main conference footprint (ignoring the goofy addition of California schools) and would give a contiguous footprint to add Georgia (us) and Florida (Miami).

Schools being state markets, not city markets.

The other factor we are not considering is AAU membership.
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I think the B1G network contract has the cable providers paying different rates depending on if there is a B1G school in the state. GT and UVa may not be enough of a draw in their states to make the cable companies pony up big cash. But they might be when the remaining B1G alumni in VA and GA are included.

Miami would probably be a goldmine because of the number of retirees in FL who could make those cable numbers attractive.

UVa, GT, uNC, and Miami could bring outsized payouts based on the way the B1G does business.
 
gt9589 said:
I know things point to the BIG as a likely destination for us if the ACC were to implode but I sure do like the GT-SEC matchups. I for one can't wait until we play Ole Miss at the Grove. I'm one that values regional (southeastern rivals) more. I've been to the Big House and while it's cool, they're just a different crowd. It's almost a different world football culture wise up there. I've been the ND. Different as well. Personally I feel more at home with opposing fans that have more in common with us with common rivals we can talk about. I miss the old conference alignments.
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If you get into the B1G, then you’re on the same footing as the SEC and those cross-conference games remain big matchups.
If we don’t, we become the Tulane of SEC scheduling. It’s that simple.
 
savbandjacket said:
Because UVa solidifies the DC metro area with Maryland and brings in the Virginia market. North Carolina is a big market too with Charlotte, Greensboro, and Raleigh. It’s also contiguous with the main conference footprint (ignoring the goofy addition of California schools) and would give a contiguous footprint to add Georgia (us) and Florida (Miami).

Schools being state markets, not city markets.

The other factor we are not considering is AAU membership.
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UVa is tied to VT through legislature though as well as UNC tied to NC State, so one wouldn't be able to make a jump without the other or without the other already having a good landing spot. That is also the only reason those teams are involved in the talks with the "Magnificent 7." That makes UNC not as attractive when you have to take both. Same goes for having to take both UVa and VT.
 
GoGATech said:
UVa is tied to VT through legislature though as well as UNC tied to NC State, so one wouldn't be able to make a jump without the other or without the other already having a good landing spot. That is also the only reason those teams are involved in the talks with the "Magnificent 7." That makes UNC not as attractive when you have to take both. Same goes for having to take both UVa and VT.
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VT and NCST probably get to SEC in that scenario. Neither is a B1G candidate. The only way the state legislatures become a problem is if one is looking at being left behind in ACC.
 
savbandjacket said:
VT and NCST probably get to SEC in that scenario. Neither is a B1G candidate. The only way the state legislatures become a problem is if one is looking at being left behind in ACC.
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I'm not so sure. SEC's biggest targets will be Clemson and FSU. UNC and UVa would be their next choices because they'd rather have the primary universities in each state. I don't know that NC State and VT would really be the schools they want. Although talk about failing upward. Imagine NC State and VT in the SEC. They would both likely instantly improve.
 
savbandjacket said:
Because UVa solidifies the DC metro area with Maryland and brings in the Virginia market.
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UVA doesn't give them anything financially that they do not already have with Maryland. TV market already captured. The ACC teams with the biggest TV markets to be captured are GT and Miami. B1G gets 10x the revenue in the TV markets where they have a team.

That is the decider.
 
savbandjacket said:
Because UVa solidifies the DC metro area with Maryland and brings in the Virginia market. North Carolina is a big market too with Charlotte, Greensboro, and Raleigh. It’s also contiguous with the main conference footprint (ignoring the goofy addition of California schools) and would give a contiguous footprint to add Georgia (us) and Florida (Miami).

Schools being state markets, not city markets.

The other factor we are not considering is AAU membership.
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You don't need to "solidify" an area that does not give a damn about college football. That is an NFL area, skrong
 
coit said:
UVA doesn't give them anything financially that they do not already have with Maryland. TV market already captured. The ACC teams with the biggest TV markets to be captured are GT and Miami. B1G gets 10x the revenue in the TV markets where they have a team.

That is the decider.
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Yep.

6+ million in metro Atlanta.
6+ million in metro Miami.
 
GoGATech said:
I'm not so sure. SEC's biggest targets will be Clemson and FSU. UNC and UVa would be their next choices because they'd rather have the primary universities in each state. I don't know that NC State and VT would really be the schools they want. Although talk about failing upward. Imagine NC State and VT in the SEC. They would both likely instantly improve.
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That's what I don't get. How has NC State and VT become more relevant than us? Or France for that matter? We have more history than those two schools, plus we were in the SEC. Have we become that unpopular??
 
gt9589 said:
That's what I don't get. How has NC State and VT become more relevant than us? Or France for that matter? We have more history than those two schools, plus we were in the SEC. Have we become that unpopular??
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They haven't.
 
gt9589 said:
That's what I don't get. How has NC State and VT become more relevant than us? Or France for that matter? We have more history than those two schools, plus we were in the SEC. Have we become that unpopular??
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I don't think the fact that we were in the SEC 60 years ago has any impact whatsoever on whether we are relevant today. It's truly ancient history at this point.
 
Whichever the megaconference, we'd have to win a lot to not be a second-class citizen. Has quickly become the case in the ACC.

Big Ten seems like a bad idea to me based on the geography of conference members. Sorry but I still think this matters a lot. I think we'll look back on this period of wild conference expansion (and NIL and Portal) as madness. Only way Big Ten is sensible is if a lot of ACC teams go with us.
 
coit said:
UVA doesn't give them anything financially that they do not already have with Maryland. TV market already captured. The ACC teams with the biggest TV markets to be captured are GT and Miami. B1G gets 10x the revenue in the TV markets where they have a team.

That is the decider.
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I thought the B1G revenue is by state, not market, so adding a VA school would add a lot of revenue.
 
justafan said:
Only way Big Ten is sensible is if a lot of ACC teams go with us.
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There is also pretty much no scenario where the Big10 just takes GT. Chances are pretty small that GT gets an invite regardless, but it will almost certainly be a package deal with a few other schools.
 
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