ACC goes all in - Keep 4 Team Playoff they say

I like the bowls, 64 teams go bowling. Expansion kills the bowl games and bowl games are good for the mid tier and smallest conference teams.
Playoff expansion is what is causing SEC’s destruction of college football. The ACC is correct in their assessment.
 
midatlantech said:
If we had stayed in the SEC we would likely still be the same football program today. Tech wanted to take the high road for recruits, for academics, for amateurism. And today that would not have changed, Tech chooses to be a leading academic university in the South. (In my opinion, the same is hurting football at Texas and Florida.)
But there was more going on than just this. There was a total change of who was going to play football.
There was competition in the cities with professional sports. There was a lot going on and it all negatively affected Tech football, not just the issue of leaving a conference.
Can we please give this issue a rest!
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We would be the team we are today with more money. At least have the option of competing if somebody at GT had brains enough to realize football and sports complement the school. Football and academics are not competitors.
 
daBuzz said:
Great. Then turn off the damn TV and go play tiddlywinks with your neighbor. Some of us like watching football and would rather watch the top 8 teams or 16 teams play it off than watch Eastern Illinois vs Montana State in the WhoCaresButYourMama Bowl.

Every other sport, INCLUDING D2 and D3 football have a playoff with more than 4 teams, but hey...your way is obviously better. Frigging moron, LOL.
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Oh, and hey “friggin moron”. Go watch every other sport since they have playoffs like you want. You can watch Eastern Illinois vs Montana State… oh wait you don’t want to do that.
You show how much of a “friggin moron” you are by contradicting yourself in your own words.
 
KrazieJacket said:
Oh, and hey “friggin moron”. Go watch every other sport since they have playoffs like you want. You can watch Eastern Illinois vs Montana State… oh wait you don’t want to do that.
You show how much of a “friggin moron” you are by contradicting yourself in your own words.
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"Wahhhh....I can't get my way so I'll whine like a little girl." - @KrazieJacket

Nah, I'll keep watching college football as the playoff expands and yes, it'll be better than it was when there was just two...or the current four. And you can keep on being delusional with your inferiority complex, because "wahhh, the SEC".

If we want more teams in the playoffs than the SEC teams then start beating them and making the SEC teams irrelevant, rather than crying and whining and complaining, moron.
 
KrazieJacket said:
If you think the schools we play against “do it the right way” or even GT does you are fooling yourself. GT cheats also, we just suck at it.
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Of course we suck at it; because we spent a couple of decades crushing the program under the weight of "doing it Dodd's way" with our noses stuck in the air. Meanwhile the other programs were perfecting the art of dancing on the rule book.
 
aeromech said:
Looking back Dodd is probably the worst thing that ever happened to Georgia Tech football. He took us out of the conference we should be in and left us with a bunch of followers who want to "do it the right way" instead of playing by the rules. There was zero reason to leave the SEC, just like there was no reason to handicap the program for decades doing the things in Dodd's playbook.
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The ignorance here is laughable. Without Dodd in the 50s and 60s, Tech would have morphed into a SoCon program.
 
midatlantech said:
If we had stayed in the SEC we would likely still be the same football program today. Tech wanted to take the high road for recruits, for academics, for amateurism. And today that would not have changed, Tech chooses to be a leading academic university in the South. (In my opinion, the same is hurting football at Texas and Florida.)
But there was more going on than just this. There was a total change of who was going to play football.
There was competition in the cities with professional sports. There was a lot going on and it all negatively affected Tech football, not just the issue of leaving a conference.
Can we please give this issue a rest!
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Wrong. No way that staying the SEC makes the program the same as it is today. That is idiotic, the SEC money alone would change things. Playing against Auburn, Tennessee, and Florida routinely would have a huge impact on recruiting. We wouldn't have completely lost the interest of sidewalk fans in Atlanta if we were in the SEC.
 
donsue said:
The ignorance here is laughable. Without Dodd in the 50s and 60s, Tech would have morphed into a SoCon program.
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BS. Look I get it that you old guys still worship Bobby Dodd, and what he did as a coach in the 50's was great; but he left the program with a philosophy that put us on the road to ruin. No question about it. The goody two shoes, we are better than that, attitude not only ran off sidewalk fans; but put us on the path to failure. Taking us out of the SEC because he didn't get his way was just childish. We almost ended up worse than the Southern Conference because of his drive to go independent for crying out loud.
 
daBuzz said:
"Wahhhh....I can't get my way so I'll whine like a little girl." - @KrazieJacket

Nah, I'll keep watching college football as the playoff expands and yes, it'll be better than it was when there was just two...or the current four. And you can keep on being delusional with your inferiority complex, because "wahhh, the SEC".

If we want more teams in the playoffs than the SEC teams then start beating them and making the SEC teams irrelevant, rather than crying and whining and complaining, moron.
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You have been the only one crying. I offer conversation and you resort to insults. That points toward low value and low intelligence. I know you aren’t that because we do know many of the same people from here.

I agree with you. We need to beat the SEC. I just don’t feel we need to have conference championships to determine the best team in the conference and then a playoff so we can watch those teams play again to determine who is the best team. But please continue, as I pointed out you will find little satisfaction with the end result. When you figure it out I’ll buy a quality bottle of bourbon and we can have a cigar.
 
aeromech said:
BS. Look I get it that you old guys still worship Bobby Dodd, and what he did as a coach in the 50's was great; but he left the program with a philosophy that put us on the road to ruin. No question about it. The goody two shoes, we are better than that, attitude not only ran off sidewalk fans; but put us on the path to failure. Taking us out of the SEC because he didn't get his way was just childish. We almost ended up worse than the Southern Conference because of his drive to go independent for crying out loud.
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You need to do your homework and read your history brother. Do you really think the people on The Hill, who wouldn’t give Tech football a break even when they were great in the 50s, would give in and allow Tech to coddle dumbasses like Georgia and Alabama? We can keep going on and on about this, but almost 60 years and 10 coaches have passed since Dodd left. There has been plenty of time to correct what you call his “wrongs”, and I don’t see anyone making an effort to create what you envision
 
KrazieJacket said:
You have been the only one crying. I offer conversation and you resort to insults. That points toward low value and low intelligence. I know you aren’t that because we do know many of the same people from here.

I agree with you. We need to beat the SEC. I just don’t feel we need to have conference championships to determine the best team in the conference and then a playoff so we can watch those teams play again to determine who is the best team. But please continue, as I pointed out you will find little satisfaction with the end result. When you figure it out I’ll buy a quality bottle of bourbon and we can have a cigar.
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Dude, you started with the whole equating wanting to see more teams to being a fan of AOC or some other such nonsense.

And FWIW, I wouldn't mind if they got rid of the conference championships either. But I've never been a fan of a bunch of "experts" picking the national champion...probably going back to our 1990 championship and our inability to be able to play Colorado to determine the winner once & for all. I'm firmly convinced we would have trounced that Colorado team if we had been able to play them.

And there's a definitive pro-SEC bias right now and has been for the past several years. But until some other teams start beating them on a regular basis in the playoffs, we're going to have to live with that regardless of the # of teams playing for the title. Clemson was able to do that twice and that gave the ACC a modicum of respect but someone besides Clemson has to pick up that mantle and win as well. Hopefully, it will be GT in the not-too-distant future.
 
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midatlantech said:
Expansion kills the bowl games
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What do you mean by this? Reduced relevance of the top bowls to cause fighting over who's #1? Yes, it's zero-sum. You take top teams and put them in a different format to determine the champ. It causes worse teams to be put in the bowls. You can still get compelling bowls for the ROY's if you get rid of conference tie-ins so that the best remaining teams are matched up. Matching up the #4 SEC against #1 ACC or w/e is pretty boring unless they're evenly ranked. Tie-ins need to go away.

midatlantech said:
bowl games are good for the mid tier and smallest conference teams
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But...there are more bowl games under the current format than ever, so more teams are getting practice, players rewarded with bowls, and also more money with bowl revenue sharing.
 
Expanding the play offs is fine as long as only conference champions qualify for the playoffs. Have an eight team playoff with the top 8 conferences receiving bids. Seed the playoffs based on the consensus of the end of season rankings. If the independents want to participate, they need to join a conference.
 
donsue said:
You need to do your homework and read your history brother. Do you really think the people on The Hill, who wouldn’t give Tech football a break even when they were great in the 50s, would give in and allow Tech to coddle dumbasses like Georgia and Alabama? We can keep going on and on about this, but almost 60 years and 10 coaches have passed since Dodd left. There has been plenty of time to correct what you call his “wrongs”, and I don’t see anyone making an effort to create what you envision
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It is hard to correct abandoning the SEC and going independent because you didn't get your way. It takes more than 60 years and 10 coaches to fix that. I don't think we ever give a serious look at Paul Johnson and the triple option if we had been a SEC team. I don't think we would struggle to find a coach who wants to be the head of an SEC team in Atlanta either. Dodd put us on a course that either makes us a non-religious independent like UConn, Liberty, UMass or New Mexico State [the other independents like Notre Dame, Army, BYU have built in fan bases] or we would be in C-USA. We ended up in the Metro Conference (which became C-USA). I think Doug Weaver got us into the ACC. The fact is that people have been trying to correct Dodd's screw up for over 60 years, including Dodd.
 
savbandjacket said:
Here’s an idea (sorry if someone else already said it)

8 teams
6 auto bids (AAC gets one) for conference champs
2 at large
6 auto bids are seeded based on overall conference record vs other auto bid conferences
2 at large bids get 6 and 8 spots.
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In another post you suggested that this would limit ESPN's influence. With this plan, the SEC could get 3 teams in, right?
 
aeromech said:
It is hard to correct abandoning the SEC and going independent because you didn't get your way. It takes more than 60 years and 10 coaches to fix that. I don't think we ever give a serious look at Paul Johnson and the triple option if we had been a SEC team. I don't think we would struggle to find a coach who wants to be the head of an SEC team in Atlanta either. Dodd put us on a course that either makes us a non-religious independent like UConn, Liberty, UMass or New Mexico State [the other independents like Notre Dame, Army, BYU have built in fan bases] or we would be in C-USA. We ended up in the Metro Conference (which became C-USA). I think Doug Weaver got us into the ACC. The fact is that people have been trying to correct Dodd's screw up for over 60 years, including Dodd.
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I will leave it at this; there are numerous reasons why Tech football is where it is right now, and Dodd ain’t one of them. I suppose you believe Tulane would be rockin right now if they stayed in the SEC?
 
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