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[JJacket]

Show me the college highlights of him ever making a tackler miss in space.

I'll wait

Show me where our offense didn't suck the last two years. We had a QB who wouldn't/couldn't distribute the ball smoothly or reliably. If you can't see that then you just aren't very bright.
I'll wait

 

[JJacket]

Hard to judge NC. I though he tried to outrun defenders to the edge too often which resulted in no cutting or changing directions.

I don't think I can say that he is bad at it until I see him try. For all I know CPJ told him to use his speed to get the yards. I do remember NC basically running into DB's and CPJ making fun of him for it on a radio show.

This coaching staff is saying the things that I like to hear and doing the things I like to see. I will expect them to use his skills / experience to maximize performance.

There is no way anybody can tell anything based on the last two years. It'd be like me saying Dolphus or Camp have poor route running skills. Based on what? The crummy "go long" pass plays we had? To come on here and proclaim that Cottrell can't do something based on the past two seasons is moronic. We had a QB who regressed from the Tennessee game. In fact, he regressed quickly when he didn't pitch the ball for the win in the Tennessee game. Cottrell got the ball and ran hard and fast. He got up field. No, he didn't spend time dancing around. Dancing got Lynch and Searcy blasted a few times. Poor pitches, poor timing. Poor mesh. Bad reads.

 

[LegendaryGT]

I was pretty sure I remembered drunkenly observing Cottrell doing some pretty good stuff against UVA this last year. Game thread seems enthused about his change of running style after receiving the same "no wiggle" criticism earlier.

 

[BranMart]

I was pretty sure I remembered drunkenly observing Cottrell doing some pretty good stuff against UVA this last year. Game thread seems enthused about his change of running style after receiving the same "no wiggle" criticism earlier.

I think he figured out how to make that cut before he hit the boundary later in the season and get up field more.

 

[Techbert]

Regarding Cottrell, I dont see him making any real impact at that position, unfortunately.

He seems to lack the body control, hands, and all around smoothness of a good slot guy. He's got straight line speed, but all we've seen of him is (usually awkwardly) catching a pitch and barreling around the outside on a sweep so straight up and out of control that he's unable to cut back or change directions before carrying himself out of bounds. There's probably a reason that he was almost literally never one of the A-backs on the field in passing situations. My eyes tell me he has bricks for hands.I can't recall a single pass ever being directed to him, actually.

I hope he's able to contribute in the new scheme somehow, but I dont think slot receiver is a good fit for him.

I think, with the different scheme and the different off-season workout regimen, that we cannot hold onto all our preconceived notions. Kids this age develop skills. We'll also see what the coaches do to accentuate a kid's positives and mask his weaknesses, which is a major job of theirs at the college level.

If he can't change directions, coaches will put him where he won't have to. If he can't catch a pass, coaches will move him. If he can do those things, you are being disrespectful of a young athlete you are allegedly rooting for who deserves our respect for his commitment and leadership abilities. If he can never do those things, you are still being a jerk.

How can you say he has bricks for hands and then immediately say you saw no passes thrown to him? That tells me you are posting out your ass.

There's a world of difference between saying, "I think he needs to learn how to gear down to improve his body control and also work on his hands," and saying, "He can't...."

 

[beej67]

Patenaude is legit dude. Don't know what to tell ya

I want to be convinced of this, but I am not.

Can someone convince me of this?

His youtube interviews sound like usual OC coachspeak to me. Nothing interesting tactically at all.

 

[Architorture23]

I want to be convinced of this, but I am not.

Can someone convince me of this?

Nobody can convince you until they play a game.

 

[Ish]

I want to be convinced of this, but I am not.

Can someone convince me of this?

The AJC did a good feature on him (link).

What I like so far about Coach P is that he is not married to an approach but rather how best to attack and beat the competition with the current available personnel. This is refreshing and I am encourage to see what he does because unlike what many say, while there are needs the cupboard is not bare.

 

[Helluva Entrepreneur]

I think, with the different scheme and the different off-season workout regimen, that we cannot hold onto all our preconceived notions. Kids this age develop skills. We'll also see what the coaches do to accentuate a kid's positives and mask his weaknesses, which is a major job of theirs at the college level.

If he can't change directions, coaches will put him where he won't have to. If he can't catch a pass, coaches will move him. If he can do those things, you are being disrespectful of a young athlete you are allegedly rooting for who deserves our respect for his commitment and leadership abilities. If he can never do those things, you are still being a jerk.

How can you say he has bricks for hands and then immediately say you saw no passes thrown to him? That tells me you are posting out your ass.

There's a world of difference between saying, "I think he needs to learn how to gear down to improve his body control and also work on his hands," and saying, "He can't...."

I gave my honest "scouting report" based on 3 years of watching him play. He doesnt catch the ball smoothly and he has never shown good body control or change of direction to go with his speed that a prime candidate for slot receiver would have. It is telling that he was never on the field in passing situations.

People are claiming he's the next Edelman because he's fast and white...I'm just bringing some realistic expectations to the discussion. He hasnt shown himself to be that type of athlete, at all. Watch Edelman or even Hunter Renfroe move and catch the ball and then watch NC's film and get back to me. I'm not being a jerk by pointing this out. Some of you are delusional. We have a dozen WRs and former ABs that are more suited to slot receiver on the roster.

If there's one thing NC has shown it's that he plays hard and is a leader on the field. I have no doubt he's working as hard as possible to improve and find a spot in the new scheme. As a senior leader, I have no doubt that the coaching staff will give him every opportunity to prove himself at a new position and find a spot for him to contribute.

 

[aeromech]

The AJC did a good feature on him (link).

What I like so far about Coach P is that he is not married to an approach but rather how best to attack and beat the competition with the current available personnel. This is refreshing and I am encourage to see what he does because unlike what many say, while there are needs the cupboard is not bare.

Will you still be refreshed if based on current personnel he determines that the best approach to attack and beat the competition is with a triple option based offense?

Obvious troll is obvious

 

[GoGATech]

The AJC did a good feature on him (link).

What I like so far about Coach P is that he is not married to an approach but rather how best to attack and beat the competition with the current available personnel. This is refreshing and I am encourage to see what he does because unlike what many say, while there are needs the cupboard is not bare.

Listening to his interview from yesterday re-iterated that too. I like how he mentions we're going to try to be as balanced as possible, but if we're having more success in a particular game running or throwing, we'll stick more with what's working. That's refreshing.

 

[Techbert]

I gave my honest "scouting report" based on 3 years of watching him play. He doesnt catch the ball smoothly and he has never shown good body control or change of direction to go with his speed that a prime candidate for slot receiver would have. It is telling that he was never on the field in passing situations.

People are claiming he's the next Edelman because he's fast and white...I'm just bringing some realistic expectations to the discussion. He hasnt shown himself to be that type of athlete, at all. Watch Edelman or even Hunter Renfroe move and catch the ball and then watch NC's film and get back to me. I'm not being a jerk by pointing this out. Some of you are delusional. We have a dozen WRs and former ABs that are more suited to slot receiver on the roster.

If there's one thing NC has shown it's that he plays hard and is a leader on the field. I have no doubt he's working as hard as possible to improve and find a spot in the new scheme. As a senior leader, I have no doubt that the coaching staff will give him every opportunity to prove himself at a new position and find a spot for him to contribute.

If you had any scouting credentials or any scouting opportunities we would value your report. However, you don't and you are being a jerk.

This is particularly true when you are taking the results on the field in a very rigid scheme and projecting the future in a very different and more fluid approach. No one with scouting skills would do so with the misplaced confidence you demonstrate.

One thing you don't understand is that there are three different types of slot receivers. In oversimplified terms, you can be large, quick, or fast, and the three dictate play design. Not everyone is an Edelman or Renfroe. Cottrell does not have to duplicate them. He has to be himself, and the coaches need to design around that.

I suspect you are the type of ahole that just says negative things about everyone and everything, and when proven wrong you don't apologize but say, "Good. I am glad. Perhaps my criticism caused the person to rise above my expectations." Perhaps you are not, cuz that is loathesome. But my judgment of you is at least as valid as your judgment of Cottrell.

 

[Helluva Entrepreneur]

If you had any scouting credentials or any scouting opportunities we would value your report. However, you don't and you are being a jerk.

This is particularly true when you are taking the results on the field in a very rigid scheme and projecting the future in a very different and more fluid approach. No one with scouting skills would do so with the misplaced confidence you demonstrate.

One thing you don't understand is that there are three different types of slot receivers. In oversimplified terms, you can be large, quick, or fast, and the three dictate play design. Not everyone is an Edelman or Renfroe. Cottrell does not have to duplicate them. He has to be himself, and the coaches need to design around that.

I suspect you are the type of ahole that just says negative things about everyone and everything, and when proven wrong you don't apologize but say, "Good. I am glad. Perhaps my criticism caused the person to rise above my expectations." Perhaps you are not, cuz that is loathesome. But my judgment of you is at least as valid as your judgment of Cottrell.

You are free to take your rose-tinted "I like him so he's good!" evaluation over mine. That's you're prerogative.

This is sports, dude. Talking honestly about a player's apparent talent, ability, and position fit is not being negative. No one owe's anyone an apology when an underrated player performs better than expected. I'd be perfectly happy if he has 1000 yards this year, but I wouldn't bet money on it.

 

[Techbert]

You are free to take your rose-tinted "I like him so he's good!" evaluation over mine. That's you're prerogative.

This is sports, dude. Talking honestly about a player's apparent talent, ability, and position fit is not being negative. No one owe's anyone an apology when an underrated player performs better than expected. I'd be perfectly happy if he has 1000 yards this year, but I wouldn't bet money on it.

Didn't post anything rose-tinted. I didn't even evaluate Cottrell at all. You read about as well as you watch football.

Talking honestly is your phrasing for talking out your ass. And you just confirmed my assessment of your character with your last sentence, almost verbatim.

 

[savbandjacket]

Cottrell was not the only A back who seemed to run an arc to the sideline on every play. In fact, I don’t recall many plays at all where there was a cut back for more downfield yardage when there was a defender with the angle. All of the a back plays looked like there was a predetermined yard they were arcing toward and would go out there.

 

[GoGATech]

Let's also not forget, in order to cut-back, there has to be a cut-back lane. That's another reason we saw the "arc to the sidelines" play a lot.

 

[Yukonwreck]

I think, with the different scheme and the different off-season workout regimen, that we cannot hold onto all our preconceived notions. Kids this age develop skills. We'll also see what the coaches do to accentuate a kid's positives and mask his weaknesses, which is a major job of theirs at the college level.

If he can't change directions, coaches will put him where he won't have to. If he can't catch a pass, coaches will move him. If he can do those things, you are being disrespectful of a young athlete you are allegedly rooting for who deserves our respect for his commitment and leadership abilities. If he can never do those things, you are still being a jerk.

How can you say he has bricks for hands and then immediately say you saw no passes thrown to him? That tells me you are posting out your ass.

There's a world of difference between saying, "I think he needs to learn how to gear down to improve his body control and also work on his hands," and saying, "He can't...."

Most of the AB in our former scheme were straight line runners. The system created lanes for them to run in, often with no defenders for several yards. The could advance upfield for good yardage without being touched. No need for juking. But you are correct, Cottrell hasn't broken any ankles, ala Jon Dwyer.

 

[midatlantech]

I gave my honest "scouting report" based on 3 years of watching him play. He doesnt catch the ball smoothly and he has never shown good body control or change of direction to go with his speed that a prime candidate for slot receiver would have. It is telling that he was never on the field in passing situations.

People are claiming he's the next Edelman because he's fast and white...I'm just bringing some realistic expectations to the discussion. He hasnt shown himself to be that type of athlete, at all. Watch Edelman or even Hunter Renfroe move and catch the ball and then watch NC's film and get back to me. I'm not being a jerk by pointing this out. Some of you are delusional. We have a dozen WRs and former ABs that are more suited to slot receiver on the roster.

If there's one thing NC has shown it's that he plays hard and is a leader on the field. I have no doubt he's working as hard as possible to improve and find a spot in the new scheme. As a senior leader, I have no doubt that the coaching staff will give him every opportunity to prove himself at a new position and find a spot for him to contribute.

I actually agree that certain players were recruited for certain PJ needed skills and that they will struggle in the new offense. But otherwise some of the comments sound like Dawg fans extremely worried about Collins and his upcoming teams.

 

[Helluva Entrepreneur]

Didn't post anything rose-tinted. I didn't even evaluate Cottrell at all. You read about as well as you watch football.

Talking honestly is your phrasing for talking out your ass. And you just confirmed my assessment of your character with your last sentence, almost verbatim.

You clearly disagreed with my evaluation and wrote several paragraphs explaining to me how I was wrong. Don't backpedal into a neutral position now because you are too scared to stand behind your apparent football expertise.

Ok, Dr. Phil. You have taken 3 very innocuous football related posts of mine to apparently decide that I am a man of poor character, but with 3 years of game tape and an unbiased position, I am "talking out of my ass" when I add my observations to the discussion. Get a grip.

 

[LaFlavor]

I was pretty sure I remembered drunkenly observing Cottrell doing some pretty good stuff against UVA this last year. Game thread seems enthused about his change of running style after receiving the same "no wiggle" criticism earlier.

I remember making similar comments, which is saying something since I usually only comment on how the refs are screwing us.

Also, I remember seeing a few runs where there just wasn't anywhere to go, so he hit the defender as hard as he could and got a few more yards.