Belichick to UNC?!

UNC just hired an old tired coach replacing the previous one. Who cares.
However the money at UNC stepped up. Bellechek won’t have to work hard.
 
midatlantech said:
UNC just hired an old tired coach replacing the previous one. Who cares.
However the money at UNC stepped up. Bellechek won’t have to work hard.
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It will definitely be hard to separate the effect of Bellichek coaching vs. an extra $16M worth of players.

I've never gotten this pattern. If UNC donors are that hungry for a good football team, why not just give the extra $16M to Mack Brown and see how he does? If it's successful, you're saving millions a year in coaching salary. Same thing happened here when supposedly we significantly upped assistant coach salaries for the Clown when he arrived. Why not just do that for the legendary coach we already had?
 
gtleviathan said:
It will definitely be hard to separate the effect of Bellichek coaching vs. an extra $16M worth of players.

I've never gotten this pattern. If UNC donors are that hungry for a good football team, why not just give the extra $16M to Mack Brown and see how he does? If it's successful, you're saving millions a year in coaching salary. Same thing happened here when supposedly we significantly upped assistant coach salaries for the Clown when he arrived. Why not just do that for the legendary coach we already had?
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You realize that the "extra $16M" you reference will be pretty much standard across P4 schools with the House settlement, right? Settlement allows for about $20MM of TV revenues per school, most of which will go to football. So the number at UNC is really no different than other schools, including Tech.
 
midatlantech said:
UNC just hired an old tired coach replacing the previous one. Who cares.
However the money at UNC stepped up. Bellechek won’t have to work hard.
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Amazing that looking at what teams get in revenue from TV contracts is starting to look small, even BIG10 and SEC contracts are looking like just a fairly decent portion of what is really needed.
 
MACHETE said:
You realize that the "extra $16M" you reference will be pretty much standard across P4 schools with the House settlement, right? Settlement allows for about $20MM of TV revenues per school, most of which will go to football. So the number at UNC is really no different than other schools, including Tech.
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I had assumed that was NIL money with the way it was mentioned here. (Supposedly Belichick had a bunch of "demands" and I thought this was part of it.) But the pattern I mentioned is a real thing that I've seen over and over in college sports and I still don't understand it.
 
gtleviathan said:
I've never gotten this pattern. If UNC donors are that hungry for a good football team, why not just give the extra $16M to Mack Brown and see how he does? If it's successful, you're saving millions a year in coaching salary. Same thing happened here when supposedly we significantly upped assistant coach salaries for the Clown when he arrived. Why not just do that for the legendary coach we already had?
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Because, fair or not, they don't trust Mack Brown with the money based on what they've seen on field. Same thing with CPJ.

Money is not a guaranteed path to success. We see rich programs fail every season, and programs with way more fans and resources than us who are consistently mediocre.

People don't want to give a ton of money to a coach they don't believe can succeed with it, and it's safe to say a lot of people felt that way about Mack Brown at UNC. Certainly a lot of people felt like that about CPJ, who was divisive right from the beginning.
 
andrew said:
Because, fair or not, they don't trust Mack Brown with the money based on what they've seen on field. Same thing with CPJ.

Money is not a guaranteed path to success. We see rich programs fail every season, and programs with way more fans and resources than us who are consistently mediocre.

People don't want to give a ton of money to a coach they don't believe can succeed with it, and it's safe to say a lot of people felt that way about Mack Brown at UNC. Certainly a lot of people felt like that about CPJ, who was divisive right from the beginning.
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That's certainly the justification given. It just seems dumb. If Belicheck is so much better than Mack (and you're ponying up millions more in salary to indicate that's what you think) why do you have to spend an extra $16M on players? Just seems like a recipe to quickly and indiscriminately throw good money after bad. (Which, again, I have seen over and over in the college game.)
 
gtleviathan said:
That's certainly the justification given. It just seems dumb. If Belicheck is so much better than Mack (and you're ponying up millions more in salary to indicate that's what you think) why do you have to spend an extra $16M on players? Just seems like a recipe to quickly and indiscriminately throw good money after bad. (Which, again, I have seen over and over in the college game.)
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I don't think that it's dumb to want to get both a great coach and great players. You need both if you want to compete for a national championship.

Now UNC will have a coach who they believe they can win a national championship, and they'll give him the money to get the players they believe can win a national championship.

I personally don't believe Belichick is the right guy, but if they do then I think it makes more sense to go all in like this than to spend the money to get the best players while sticking with a coach they don't think can succeed (Mack Brown).
 
andrew said:
I don't think that it's dumb to want to get both a great coach and great players. You need both if you want to compete for a national championship.

If you don't think you have either, it would make sense to want to go out and get both. I know UNC has obviously had some very good players recently, but do they have the top to bottom talent to compete with the best teams in the nation? My guess is no.
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Certainly. Do you think Mack would have done much better with such players? I think so. Heck, the dude won a national championship already!
andrew said:
Now UNC will have a coach who they believe they can win a national championship, and they'll give him the money to get the players they believe can win a national championship.

I personally don't believe Belichick is the right guy, but if they do then I think it makes more sense to go all in like this than to spend the money to get the best players while sticking with a coach they don't think can succeed (Mack Brown).
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If you're right, they will be throwing good money after bad right off the bat. Maybe I'm just overly risk averse. But I can much more easily see taking such a gamble if you're Colorado than if you're a big brand like UNC.
 
UNC's football program is a joke. The last time they won the ACC conference championship was 1980. They are a basketball school. They need to try something completely different to try to become relevant in football. As unlikely as this hire is to succeed, it's a hail Mary that they need on the off chance it might make a difference.
 
gtleviathan said:
Certainly. Do you think Mack would have done much better with such players? I think so. Heck, the dude won a national championship already!
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I don't know. It depends on if he continued to believe that Geoff Collins is the best coach to mold and prepare those better players for Saturdays.
 
Call me overly-skeptical, but I just don't see this going well. I'm happy to be wrong, but my official prediction is that they'll hover from 4-6 wins during his tenure.
 
dude ruining his golden years to try and prove he can win without Tom Brady. :bowrofl:
 
I can see the visit pitch now.

I don't care if you come or not. We have other people who can do everything you can do. It's going to take at least three years for you to learn the way we do things, and then you have to show you are a football player. So forget three-and-out. Four is too short. Maybe five, but most of our players will be here six or more years. And if you do not shine when your number is called it will be Next Kid Up. But sign with us if you want. I will probably pull the offer later today if you don't.
 
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GTROY said:
Call me overly-skeptical, but I just don't see this going well. I'm happy to be wrong, but my official prediction is that they'll hover from 4-6 wins during his tenure.
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This is slightly below Mack Brown’s last stint with UNC. In 6 years he had 44 wins, which is slightly above 7 wins per year.
 
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