Can we talk about Miami's fumble at the end of the game?

I remember when Justin Thomas’ forward momentum was clearly stopped at the 1/2 yard line. Minutes went by and the Uga grabs the ball and runs it 100 yards for a td. If you want to talk about a bad fumble call, that’s the one to discuss. I also remember Justin Thomas celebrating the victory at the end of that game.
 
gojkts said:
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Looks like a fumble to me.
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I don't know man. Let me go get my protractor and compass so I can measure the ratio of the angle of the ball to the elbow to the ground. I'll use my pythagorean theorem calculator to get to the bottom of this.

Answer: who the öööö cares, Tech won.
 
TechRush said:
I don't know man. Let me go get my protractor and compass so I can measure the ratio of the angle of the ball to the elbow to the ground. I'll use my pythagorean theorem calculator to get to the bottom of this.

Answer: who the öööö cares, Tech won.
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You see, the players knee and elbow are both parallel to the ground, so the lline from ball to ground forms two parallel lines cut by a transversal. And we know, by definition, alternate interior angles are congruent, proving the ball was fumbled.
 
gojkts said:
You see, the players knee and elbow are both parallel to the ground, so the lline from ball to ground forms two parallel lines cut by a transversal. And we know, by definition, alternate interior angles are congruent, proving the ball was fumbled.
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You had me at transsexual. Clearly a fumble. You beast. Spank me Daddy.
 
He was down. Gt got lucky in multiple aspects that final minute. Lets call it what it was. Luck on calling a run. Luck on getting a fumble. Then good play to take advantage of the luck to win it.
 
gojkts said:
If he loses possession (control) on the way down it remains a live ball until a player controls it and is ruled down. Which is how the official a few yards away ruled it.
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This is my foundational point and the question originally asked is, "What constitutes possession (control)?" Is it really P/C if a player's hand is in the cradle ripping it?

Let's look at it another way. Say a WR and a DB both make a play for a pass at the 2-yard line. The WR catches the ball, but the DB also grabs the ball as they stumble into the EZ. I believe the call is neither player has control until one pulls it away from the other and has sole possession. Is this a good analog for what happened Saturday evening?
 
It was a fumble. The ref on the field saw it. The review ref didn’t see any reason to dispute it. The stats show it to be a fumble.

Why are so many of you arguing about it?
 
33jacket said:
He was down. Gt got lucky in multiple aspects that final minute. Lets call it what it was. Luck on calling a run. Luck on getting a fumble. Then good play to take advantage of the luck to win it.
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The ref was staring right at the play, the pic posted above shows the ball loose away from the runners body before his elbow hit. Why can’t we just accept that we don’t have all the data and the ref in front of the play did?
 
GTRules said:
It was a fumble. The ref on the field saw it. The review ref didn’t see any reason to dispute it. The stats show it to be a fumble.

Why are so many of you arguing about it?
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We’re discussing the matter. One can discuss without arguing. At least, we used to be able to do that.
 
stinger78 said:
This is my foundational point and the question originally asked is, "What constitutes possession (control)?" Is it really P/C if a player's hand is in the cradle ripping it?

Let's look at it another way. Say a WR and a DB both make a play for a pass at the 2-yard line. The WR catches the ball, but the DB also grabs the ball as they stumble into the EZ. I believe the call is neither player has control until one pulls it away from the other and has sole possession. Is this a good analog for what happened Saturday evening?
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If both have possession in the endzone, it is a TD. In the field, I think it is the same. Possession goes to the offense.

Here people are looking at a still frame and trying to determine movement.
 
WracerX said:
If both have possession in the endzone, it is a TD. In the field, I think it is the same. Possession goes to the offense.

Here people are looking at a still frame and trying to determine movement.
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Maybe so, I cannot find it in the rules. Possession is simply defined as control of the ball. No mention of simultaneous or not. It's an interpretational thing. Chaney's left arm did come off the ball as he fell. Perhaps that was the beginning of the loss of control.
 
WracerX said:
If both have possession in the endzone, it is a TD. In the field, I think it is the same. Possession goes to the offense.

Here people are looking at a still frame and trying to determine movement.
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Wasn’t a tug of war with the ball. Neither player had it in their grasp as Chaney went down. Moala’s hand is shoved in where Chaney had been cradling the ball. The ball’s above their forearms. Next player to control it was Kennard.
 
gojkts said:
Wasn’t a tug of war with the ball. Neither player had it in their grasp as Chaney went down. Moala’s hand is shoved in where Chaney had been cradling the ball. The ball’s above their forearms. Next player to control it was Kennard.
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It was funny to me how Kennard ran over to show the ball to the ref. Like, “mom, this football followed me home. Can I keep it?”
 
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