Catchall Deion Sanders Thread

[GTLiebs]

I will say that the level of unadulterated optimism is impressive. However, the line "It would have been great for us and you guys are coping too hard to see the reality" is basically Collins "some people don't want to see the progress", line. Well, that's not good.

Doesn't matter though. It's clear the matchup is set. Come fall we have the Kool Aid Drinkers vs The Trainwreckers. The marketing and build up will be epic.

The reason this is a 20 pg thread is because many of us are the sort of people who can't look at the underlined and Not post to try and drag it toward realism. That and the interaction between the people who think not hiring Sanders is a surrendering program death move vs the people who think those people are on crack. That part may of been in an older thread but the residue lingers.

 

[THWG247]

The cult-like love and blind faith some people have for Deion is just weird, I think a lot of the hate coming from the otherside is derived from that

 

[JJacket]

The reason this is a 20 pg thread is because many of us are the sort of people who can't look at the underlined and Not post to try and drag it toward realism. That and the interaction between the people who think not hiring Sanders is a surrendering program death move vs the people who think those people are on crack. That part may of been in an older thread but the residue lingers.

And it is off-season. We are bored until August

 

[madRazor]

You don't have to convince us of where you got that rash. I'd just have the best story possible to convince your wife of where you got it.

 

[gt2690b]

Joel Klatt gives sizzling take on Colorado's roster overhaul

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www.on3.com

 

[Buzzilla]

Joel Klatt gives sizzling take on Colorado's roster overhaul

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www.on3.com

So here comes the "he didn't have any choice" narrative.

There is push back from the public on Deions methodology, the incoming bags look more like fake Louis Vuitton knock-offs and people are starting to suspect that the coming year is likely to be a complete fiasco and now the Deion cultists are spinning the narrative to excuse him because "he didn't have a choice". Bull-****

Deion owns all of this. At the very least he should have tried to manage expectations and attempt to handle the player turnover in a more private fashion rather than publicly humiliate the entire roster on day 1 all while proclaiming the greatness he was bringing with him.

Say what you will about the former coach, but at least he was smart enough to keep expectations very modest to start with. Deion could have handled this much better and made improvements without creating the media circus and embarrassing the school, the players, college football and himself while walking around like some kind of messianic figure proclaiming that he "was coming".

He had a choice. He had a choice to handle it all very differently. Now he has a lot of hurt feelings, a generous helping of bad mojo, a lot of very high expectations and a roster with some very glaring holes made up of transfers mostly resembling a gaggle of malcontents and under achievers.

Good luck with that.

 

[clapper]

So here comes the "he didn't have any choice" narrative.

There is push back from the public on Deions methodology, the incoming bags look more like fake Louis Vuitton knock-offs and people are starting to suspect that the coming year is likely to be a complete fiasco and now the Deion cultists are spinning the narrative to excuse him because "he didn't have a choice". Bull-****

Deion owns all of this. At the very least he should have tried to manage expectations and attempt to handle the player turnover in a more private fashion rather than publicly humiliate the entire roster on day 1 all while proclaiming the greatness he was bringing with him.

Say what you will about the former coach, but at least he was smart enough to keep expectations very modest to start with. Deion could have handled this much better and made improvements without creating the media circus and embarrassing the school, the players, college football and himself while walking around like some kind of messianic figure proclaiming that he "was coming".

He had a choice. He had a choice to handle it all very differently. Now he has a lot of hurt feelings, a generous helping of bad mojo, a lot of very high expectations and a roster with some very glaring holes made up of transfers mostly resembling a gaggle of malcontents and under achievers.

Good luck with that.

Deion owns it. He's good with that. He always brings the circus...everywhere he goes. Every time. That's Deion and he doesn't care what you or the others think. That isn't an attack on you. That's how he lives. I wouldn't do it. Most people wouldn't. You are right that he had a choice. You just don't like the one he made.

On the other hand, the players he is supposedly publicly humiliating were the problem and the school and fans he is supposedly embarrassing just lived through losing seasons in 19 of the last 20 years. They went 1-11 last year! That's a culture that needs to be expunged immediately. The team he's assembling may not be any better to begin the season, but it's going to turn around more quickly than if he slow rolled it...or not if he can't coach at this level. The portal and NIL has changed things.

 

[Nehru Jacket]

I saw that Colorado’s projected win total for next year had dropped from 5.5 to 4.5 after their spring game. I think that’s probably about right.

 

[Buzzilla]

Deion owns it. He's good with that. He always brings the circus...everywhere he goes. Every time. That's Deion and he doesn't care what you or the others think. That isn't an attack on you. That's how he lives. I wouldn't do it. Most people wouldn't. You are right that he had a choice. You just don't like the one he made.

On the other hand, the players he is supposedly publicly humiliating were the problem and the school and fans he is supposedly embarrassing just lived through losing seasons in 19 of the last 20 years. They went 1-11 last year! That's a culture that needs to be expunged immediately. The team he's assembling may not be any better to begin the season, but it's going to turn around more quickly than if he slow rolled it...or not if he can't coach at this level. The portal and NIL has changed things.

The players weren't the problem. It wasn't the players fault they weren't up to P5 FBS standard. It was the fault of the previous regime that ran the football program that brought those players in and all of the administrators, et.al involved that brought in the previous regime.

Taking a public crap on those players, who are the scapegoat in all of this, says a lot more about Deion than it does them.

They have replaced a culture of inadequacy with a culture of self absorption and self aggrandizing narcissism. They replaced a losing coach with a promotion and brand marketeer who hasn't proven anything about his own coaching abilities or abilities to assess or develop talent. All that is really known about him is that "he doesn't care" what anyone thinks and that "he always brings the circus... everywhere he goes".

I feel like we've seen this clown show before and it didn't end well.

 

[Walton]

I would say this

1) some said Deion would win from day 1; they are back pedaling like Prime in his Prime

2) I expect this is a 3-4 year rebuild so I wonder what is going to be said during year 2 if team is still struggling.

Prime can prove all of his distractors wrong but at some point the goal post moving is going to be obvious to all

 

[gt2690b]

I would say this

1) some said Deion would win from day 1; they are back pedaling like Prime in his Prime

2) I expect this is a 3-4 year rebuild so I wonder what is going to be said during year 2 if team is still struggling.

Prime can prove all of his distractors wrong but at some point the goal post moving is going to be obvious to all

I don't think anyone said he'd win the conference in year 1... but he is "winning" from day 1 in regards to revenue which is a necessity to have a winning program

 

[Nehru Jacket]

I don't think anyone said he'd win the conference in year 1... but he is "winning" from day 1 in regards to revenue which is a necessity to have a winning program

It takes more than revenue to win. Vanderbilt gets a fantastic cut from the wonderful SEC bowl and TV contracts and year after year they are about the same.

 

[gt2690b]

It takes more than revenue to win. Vanderbilt gets a fantastic cut from the wonderful SEC bowl and TV contracts and year after year they are about the same.

yes but history tells us its WAY better to have tons of $$$ than not... all of the top programs have money.. sure some crappy programs have money too but there are no great programs with our current budget

 

[juraitwaluzka]

To me the biggest challenge is how Deion will handle the adversity that is almost surely coming. I don't buy the notion that he can instantly overcome the situation that they are currently it. It doesn't matter how they got there or who the previous guys were - you currently have a team full of new guys that haven't played a down together and large turnover after spring - so they are already behind when they start in earnest. This is going to take time, best case. That is a big challenge for any coach. "Prime Time" is hype, hype that is useful and effective in some realms but is meaningless when it comes to the game itself and the foundation that the coach must lay. He still has to earn it, just like everyone else. He's not magic. There's just not enough coaching data on his resume to make a reasonable prediction.

How will things go through the upcoming tough part of this journey - that's what will make or break Deion. None of this "he just wins", etc means anything, that's the type of drivel you hear on ESPN. He's not the only coach in the world, and even if he's successful, he's not special in that regard either - many before and many after have been and will be successful. Too much hype being followed. If he's a good coach and leader it will show, if he is not, it will show. He will get the results he earns just like everyone else. That's what it comes down to, we shall see how it plays out when actual football starts. Any tangible predictions now (he's going to get 4 wins, 1 win, 9 wins....) are meaningless.

 

[clapper]

The players weren't the problem. It wasn't the players fault they weren't up to P5 FBS standard. It was the fault of the previous regime that ran the football program that brought those players in and all of the administrators, et.al involved that brought in the previous regime.

Taking a public crap on those players, who are the scapegoat in all of this, says a lot more about Deion than it does them.

Yes, the coaches and admin shouldn't have brought in players that were inadequate. If they aren't any good, why would anyone keep them? The players accepted the scholarships and are required to perform. If their performance is substandard, they are not scapegoats. They haven't been executed for it. They've been given the opportunity to go elsewhere - to play at a level commensurate with their ability. You mad because they got their feelings hurt?

 

[00Burdell]

Yes, the coaches and admin shouldn't have brought in players that were inadequate. If they aren't any good, why would anyone keep them? The players accepted the scholarships and are required to perform. If their performance is substandard, they are not scapegoats. They haven't been executed for it. They've been given the opportunity to go elsewhere - to play at a level commensurate with their ability. You mad because they got their feelings hurt?

That is really unfair to the kids who busted their butt but maybe weren't P5 fast enough or P5 big enough, etc. I get the whole processing thing but this a hatchet job unless the school offered the kids a non-athletic scholly to finish their degree if they voluntarily left the football team. Prime completely trashed these kids in public then kicked them out of school. F him.

The University of Colorado has sold their soul for the promise of a few more wins on Saturday. I, for one, do not wish them any success.

And the editorial by Joel Klatt is nothing but a paid-for PR piece.

 

[gambler]

That is really unfair to the kids who busted their butt but maybe weren't P5 fast enough or P5 big enough, etc. I get the whole processing thing but this a hatchet job unless the school offered the kids a non-athletic scholly to finish their degree if they voluntarily left the football team. Prime completely trashed these kids in public then kicked them out of school. F him.

The University of Colorado has sold their soul for the promise of a few more wins on Saturday. I, for one, do not wish them any success.

And the editorial by Joel Klatt is nothing but a paid-for PR piece.

Nope. NIL created this. The buffs are playing the game that exists. Unless each and everyone of these kids decried NIL when it was put into effect, they get what they get, but they didn't. We've already been over this. Kids want money, welcome to the world men live in.

 

[clapper]

That is really unfair to the kids who busted their butt but maybe weren't P5 fast enough or P5 big enough, etc. I get the whole processing thing but this a hatchet job unless the school offered the kids a non-athletic scholly to finish their degree if they voluntarily left the football team. Prime completely trashed these kids in public then kicked them out of school. F him.

They're adults, not kids. This hatchet job isn't anything different than Tennesse did a couple years ago and others since. I'm not a Sanders fan (as a coach), but it's still a business. I was against him for Tech. It makes me wonder how this board would be melting down if he had done it here. Or would it?

 

[andrew]

I get the whole processing thing but this a hatchet job unless the school offered the kids a non-athletic scholly to finish their degree if they voluntarily left the football team.

I believe that is an NCAA rule, so they were. However, the vast majority of players still want to play football and end up trying to transfer, so it's kind of moot.

 

[GTJackets530]

Nope. NIL created this. The buffs are playing the game that exists. Unless each and everyone of these kids decried NIL when it was put into effect, they get what they get, but they didn't. We've already been over this. Kids want money, welcome to the world men live in.

Deion running off players has nothing to do with NIL. This is a heck of a hot take.