Coaches Salaries

aeromech said:
Are we getting what we are paying for though? Sure he is near the bottom of the P5 coaches; but still a half million dollars more than the best G5 coach. Hard to say really, I think we are probably getting what we paid for at the OC and DC positions though.
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I think we’re getting more than we’re paying for at this point. Definitely more than the 6 teams in the ACC with a worse record than we currently have.
 
THWUGA said:
The level of hypocrisy on this board is awesome sometimes. I know it's like that everywhere and I probably have mine as well but holy crap some of you guys are something.

I'm a big CPJ guy but his record against Cutcliffe was not good at 7-4 (6 home, 5 away), finishing 1-4 his last 5 seasons (3 home, 2 away). Once he made the comment about WRs, he was so in our head, it felt like 50% of our season pass attempts were in that game every year, trying to prove something.

Here's the record:
2018/10/13 Duke 28 - Georgia Tech 14 L
2017/11/18 Duke 43 - Georgia Tech 20 L
2016/10/29 Duke 35 - Georgia Tech 38 W
2015/09/26 Duke 34 - Georgia Tech 20 L
2014/10/11 Duke 31 - Georgia Tech 25 L
2013/09/14 Duke 14 - Georgia Tech 38 W
2012/11/17 Duke 24 - Georgia Tech 42 W
2011/11/19 Duke 31 - Georgia Tech 38 W
2010/11/20 Duke 20 - Georgia Tech 30 W
2009/11/14 Duke 10 - Georgia Tech 49 W
2008/10/04 Duke 0 - Georgia Tech 27 W

We can debate a lot of things about CGC but the starting talent level vs what CPJ inherited is not even close to being in the gray area, and despite that, CGC is 2-1 (2 away, 1 home) against Cutcliffe.
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To be fair you need to point out that CPJ faced mostly winning Duke teams. CGC beat a Duke team that finished 2-9 last year after getting his butt kicked by a Duke team that was 5-7 in 2019, and the jury is still out this year; but it wouldn't surprise anyone if Cutcliffe hangs it up soon.
 
If CGC has success, then he’ll move up that list… and as a Tech fan we should be happy because that means we’re winning more consistently.

I believe Thacker after the NIU loss called coaching a results based, well compensated profession or something to that effect. They make a lot of money, but have almost no job security (outside of what their buyouts provide) and fans bitch about everything they do. Still, I’d do it in a heartbeat if given the opportunity.
 
GTWannaBee said:
I think we’re getting more than we’re paying for at this point. Definitely more than the 6 teams in the ACC with a worse record than we currently have.
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If we are still .500 at the end of the season and middle of the pack ACC, most of us will be happy.
 
aeromech said:
Are we getting what we are paying for though? Sure he is near the bottom of the P5 coaches; but still a half million dollars more than the best G5 coach. Hard to say really, I think we are probably getting what we paid for at the OC and DC positions though.
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It is still year 3. We aren't firing him. We are building talent. We may need to tweak the OC, but I'm not sure.
 
GTWannaBee said:
This could be the most ridiculous post of the year. We’re sitting at tied for third in the coastal and yet you think CGC deserves to be paid less than the 6 teams we currently have a better record than?
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Perhaps yours could be the most ridiculous response of the year. First off you might actually watch the games. Tech very possibly should have lost to Duke Saturday and then would be next to last in the Coastal. I don't know how you define success, but 3rd in the division in October with a loss to a G5 school is not my definition of success.
 
aeromech said:
GT - you can sell Atlanta, program history, and the GT degree to recruits
Duke - you can sell the Duke degree to recruits
WF - :dunno:
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A Wake degree carries a lot of weight. They have a national brand, although weaker than Duke or Vanderbilt.
 
rocky top buzz said:
Perhaps yours could be the most ridiculous response of the year. First off you might actually watch the games. Tech very possibly should have lost to Duke Saturday and then would be next to last in the Coastal. I don't know how you define success, but 3rd in the division in October with a loss to a G5 school is not my definition of success.
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Right, the ole “if this had/hadn’t happened, we would have lost/won that game.” Reality is we won that game just like we barely beat GSU in 2014 to have a successful season (they both still count as a W). So guess what, we aren’t next to last in the coastal - we’re tied for third.

Clearly, you’ve forgotten the point of this thread and have instead just brought your argument from every other thread in here. CGC gets paid the least of all ACC coaches - the LEAST. Yet, he has a better record than six other coaches. So, by that measure, we are getting a far better return on our investment than those schools.
 
GTWannaBee said:
Right, the ole “if this had/hadn’t happened, we would have lost/won that game.” Reality is we won that game just like we barely beat GSU in 2014 to have a successful season (they both still count as a W). So guess what, we aren’t next to last in the coastal - we’re tied for third.

Clearly, you’ve forgotten the point of this thread and have instead just brought your argument from every other thread in here. CGC gets paid the least of all ACC coaches - the LEAST. Yet, he has a better record than six other coaches. So, by that measure, we are getting a far better return on our investment than those schools.
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This is a joke, right? In 2014 CPJ had proved he was a great coach and had won at a high level multiple seasons. You want to pay CGC more just because other bad ACC coaches make more? So take this to the real world. You go to your boss and say "boss, I know I'm underperforming in my job, but these 6 other guys are doing worse than me and make more money than me. Can I get a raise?" Come on...
 
aeromech said:
To be fair you need to point out that CPJ faced mostly winning Duke teams. CGC beat a Duke team that finished 2-9 last year after getting his butt kicked by a Duke team that was 5-7 in 2019, and the jury is still out this year; but it wouldn't surprise anyone if Cutcliffe hangs it up soon.
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Fair perspective, though "mostly winning" may be a stretch.

2008-2018 Duke Record = 67-72 (0.482)
2019-2021 Duke Record = 10-19 (0.345) -- an equivalent record thru 29 games would be 14-15, so 4 more wins.

CPJ also enjoyed eating up Cutcliffe's early teams coming off of Roof's tenure (4-42!!!!) where during CPJ and Cutcliffe's first five years, Duke averaged 4 wins per year. We went 5-0 in that stretch, which is 5 of CPJ's 7 total wins.

Bottom line, the truth is somewhere in between the extremes. We should have beaten Duke soundly this year under CGC, but instead we went to sleep for some reason and it nearly/should have cost us the game, embarrassingly. On the other hand, CPJ didn't have a sterling record in the series either, and most of us remember how frustrating it was to watch us repeatedly underperform in that game.
 
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WracerX said:
A Wake degree carries a lot of weight. They have a national brand, although weaker than Duke or Vanderbilt.
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Disagree on this. I'll give you southeast and mid-atlantic brand. National, no.
 
THWUGA said:
Disagree on this. I'll give you southeast and mid-atlantic brand. National, no.
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I haven’t lived on the west coast or the plains, but Wake has a solid reputation in the (near) midwest and the southwest.

Edit: this is based entirely on their law and medical reputation
 
rocky top buzz said:
Perhaps yours could be the most ridiculous response of the year. First off you might actually watch the games. Tech very possibly should have lost to Duke Saturday and then would be next to last in the Coastal. I don't know how you define success, but 3rd in the division in October with a loss to a G5 school is not my definition of success.
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And Clemson could have lost to us and if we get a foot down we beat NIU and if the review goes our way we beat NIU and hell.....buncha öööö goes on during the season.
 
rocky top buzz said:
This is a joke, right? In 2014 CPJ had proved he was a great coach and had won at a high level multiple seasons. You want to pay CGC more just because other bad ACC coaches make more? So take this to the real world. You go to your boss and say "boss, I know I'm underperforming in my job, but these 6 other guys are doing worse than me and make more money than me. Can I get a raise?" Come on...
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Poor comparison. A better comparison is I come into a company making less than everyone else. I outperform them on the metric the company used to determine performance (in the case of college football, that is wins). At that point, the company can continue to pay me based on lower expectations or they can raise my pay to surpass those that I’m outperforming. If they continue to pay me based on lower expectations, I will eventually leave and they can replace me with someone who will perform at their lower expectations.
 
WracerX said:
I haven’t lived on the west coast or the plains, but Wake has a solid reputation in the (near) midwest and the southwest.
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From those who know about it, sure. But as "brands" go, most people outside of the south and mid-atlantic couldn't tell you one thing about it except "they have a basketball team right?"
 
JJacket said:
And Clemson could have lost to us and if we get a foot down we beat NIU and if the review goes our way we beat NIU and hell.....buncha öööö goes on during the season.
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That’s what I love about college football too!
 
GTWannaBee said:
That’s what I love about college football too!
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Hell, I think NC State beat us one year based on having like 3 good offensive plays all damn game. Not sure if it was the 2005 - maddest I have ever been at a GT game - or not.
 
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