Coaching

GTWannaBee said:
The first one you can't put on him. The second one he tripped and lost the ball - hard to put that on blocking.
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Yeah I haven't had a chance to rewatch but I thought he was untouched on the second one but ran into the BB.
 
Which team in the top 25 has the recruiting restrictions that we have? Why is there almost no criticism of Peterson and his role in these restrictions?
One step we could take to help is to remove the requirement to take two Calculus courses for the Business Administration degree. This is not necessary for a business degree.
 
coit said:
Yeah I haven't had a chance to rewatch but I thought he was untouched on the second one but ran into the BB.
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I thought so at first, but the replay looks like he fell over his own foot.
 
With the prevalence of the spread today, CPJ's system isn't the only one that could work for us anymore. Coaching is a much bigger impact to the quality of a team than the recruited talent. (See: Georgia)

With all of the restrictions we have (that have been listed ad nauseam on this board) here are 3 quick examples of coaches that have had great success with recruiting rankings in the same ballpark as CPJ. How many among you would pass on looking at these options if CPJ left today?

Tom Herman at Houston: Houston is undefeated (5-0) against Top 25 under Tom Herman including wins over FSU & Oklahoma. Their recruiting rankings prior to his last signing class are miserable.

Chip Kelly and Scott Frost at Oregon: Look at their recruiting rankings prior to and in the first few years of Chip Kelly. They weren't great, yet Oregon went crazy while he was there. Now that Kelly, and his OC Scott Frost left, Oregon is sitting at the bottom of their division in the Pac-12.

Justin Fuente at TCU: He coached three years in the mountain west at TCU and mounted 3 mountain west championships, 3 losses (matching his championships to his losses), and a had win over Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl. His team recruiting rankings by class were somewhere between 50-90 every year.
 
I like PJ as a leader of men but I wish he would change his offense. It's not working. And when we get down big it becomes a cluster
 
ScionOfSouthland said:
With the prevalence of the spread today, CPJ's system isn't the only one that could work for us anymore. Coaching is a much bigger impact to the quality of a team than the recruited talent. (See: Georgia)

With all of the restrictions we have (that have been listed ad nauseam on this board) here are 3 quick examples of coaches that have had great success with recruiting rankings in the same ballpark as CPJ. How many among you would pass on looking at these options if CPJ left today?

Tom Herman at Houston: Houston is undefeated (5-0) against Top 25 under Tom Herman including wins over FSU & Oklahoma. Their recruiting rankings prior to his last signing class are miserable.

Chip Kelly and Scott Frost at Oregon: Look at their recruiting rankings prior to and in the first few years of Chip Kelly. They weren't great, yet Oregon went crazy while he was there. Now that Kelly, and his OC Scott Frost left, Oregon is sitting at the bottom of their division in the Pac-12.

Justin Fuente at TCU: He coached three years in the mountain west at TCU and mounted 3 mountain west championships, 3 losses (matching his championships to his losses), and a had win over Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl. His team recruiting rankings by class were somewhere between 50-90 every year.
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Paul Johnson is the only coach that can succeed at Tech bro
 
Any AD makes his mark through the football program, which pays for everything else and sets the tone for all the teams. And any AD carries with him a folder of candidates with whom they stay in touch-formal or otherwise. If you think the new guy doesn't have a short list who they think would fit here, you're kidding yourself (I can think of a few obvious candidates and some outliers like G Godsey). I don't think PJ is in imminent danger of losing his job..and in many ways he's a very good fit here. But this season needs to be successful (8-4)..we won't have a senior QB as suited to run this offense for quite some time.
 
gtzulu said:
We were totally competitive yesterday and could've won the game if we'd just made more plays. Against Miami, a football factory with way more resources, better recruiting, and no academic barriers. That's good coaching. What more do you expect?

If you've got a coach who can do more with less, you've got an above average coach. Good luck finding a coach that is above above average paying them less of a salary than the schools you're trying to beat.
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I agree, you could do a lot worse than PJ. I'm just wishing he would adopt modern components to his offense. It looked like he was making those changes during Vads first year but never tried again after it messed up his bread and butter TO offense. I conjecture his bread and butter no longer works so let's scrap it and evolve.
 
BrentwoodJacket said:
Which team in the top 25 has the recruiting restrictions that we have? Why is there almost no criticism of Peterson and his role in these restrictions?
One step we could take to help is to remove the requirement to take two Calculus courses for the Business Administration degree. This is not necessary for a business degree.
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Yes, but if recruiting is already a challenge isn't it even harder with a system most good players don't want to play in?
 
BeeStorm said:
percentage is obvious, but to the media, a 10 win season seems to be a standard regardless of how many games we play..
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By playing FCS teams and more games. Johnson has played 10 FCS teams in 8 years. By comparison, Gailey played 3 in 6 years.
 
BeeStorm said:
but..but... didn't Gailey run the most awesomeness nfl offense the PJ haters want to return to?

We had an NFL offensive coordinator "genius" as a head coach.
We had an offensive coordinator that is now an NFL head coach.
We had a stream of NFL quality players.
We had the best receiver in college football history and one of the best in NFL history.

and... we were mediocre.
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NFL offenses are different from college offenses--and I don't believe too many people considered Gailey an NFL offensive genius. An example is that Gailey would never throw over the middle, since that is largely a no-no in the NFL, but not so much in college.

The problem was that Gailey thought he was an offensive genius, and hired the likes of Pat Nix as offensive coordinator--a guy Gailey could control. Nix is now a HS coach.

A good AD at the time he would have hired a good OC--like Homer Rice did in hiring O'Leary as DC. Rice hired O'Leary--Lewis did not. Rice didn't give Lewis a choice.

Gailey was a better HC than Johnson, but Johnson is a better OC than Gailey. If Gailey had not been so arrogant about running the offense he might still be HC.

Gailey still had a better FBS win % at GT than Johnson at the beginning of this year.
 
TampaBayJacket said:
Yes, but if recruiting is already a challenge isn't it even harder with a system most good players don't want to play in?
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That is the key question. Are you better off with a system advantage and a reduction in overall talent or no system advantage and more talent but still less talent than your key rivals.
 
TampaBayJacket said:
Yes, but if recruiting is already a challenge isn't it even harder with a system most good players don't want to play in?
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Only if the offense is the reason that better recruits are not choosing GT. It may be stylish to say that the offense is a negative for recruiting, but I don't think anyone can prove it one way or the other.

Sometimes, I do wish for a different offense, but only because I get tired of all the negativity caused by people who don't like the offense, or who don't like CPJ and use the offense as a vehicle for expressing their dislike of CPJ.
 
BeeStorm said:
any credibility you were trying to build with your argument just died.
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Great factual support for your statement.

Want facts?

Gailey routinely had top 25 defenses. His recruiting was better than Johnson's --or Johnson would not have gone 17-7 (FBS) his first 2 years---and below .500 (FBS) since.

The head coach is responsible for all aspects of the program--not just showing up on Saturday and calling plays. It's interesting that both Gailey and Johnson were/are HC and OC (defacto in Gailey's case), and that Gailey failed as OC and Johnson is failing at HC--failing at defense, but mostly at recruiting. Between the two of them we would have a good HC and a good OC.

The reality is that good FBS teams don't have dual roles for the HC. Bobby Dodd was an early adopter of that principle.

Back to your post--since Gailey's FBS record is better than Johnson's--and it's not even close after Johnson started playing with his recruits in 2010--I'd say any credibility you were trying to build with your argument about Johnson is DOA.
 
bravejason said:
Only if the offense is the reason that better recruits are not choosing GT. It may be stylish to say that the offense is a negative for recruiting, but I don't think anyone can prove it one way or the other.

Sometimes, I do wish for a different offense, but only because I get tired of all the negativity caused by people who don't like the offense, or who don't like CPJ and use the offense as a vehicle for expressing their dislike of CPJ.
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Recruiting has fallen off a cliff since Gailey so one could have a strong argument that the system is the reason.
 
EffinDane said:
Replace PJ with Art Briles or Chip Kelly or anyone else, and our record probably doesn't change that much. Most likely, based on most coaching hires, it gets worse.
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This. Changing coaches without changing the underlying support system will just result in more of the same.
 
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