CPJ has one year Wanted UT job

donsue said:
Pretty well said!
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ThisIsAtlanta said:
CPJ isn't the best we can do. I don't think that he's much better than average as a complete coach, honestly, from a short term standpoint. He's tactically brilliant, and it gives him a higher ceiling than we could expect from the vast majority of coaches, but we have seen repeated failures in player development and personnel decisions under his leadership that seem like they should have been avoidable. He's not doing a great job improving the floor of the program in terms of near future wins, at all, which is why we have the split in opinion we do as a fan base, in my opinion. Half of us are looking at the ceiling, the other half at the floor.

There are other strategies for success that will work at Tech, and work better, than this one. Much better player development seems to me to be a prerequisite to reaching the heights of excellence we all really want to see. Football is ultimately a game of olayers, and other smaller schools have made runs at greatness despite starting with poor recruiting and small budgets precisely by creating star players. Paul Johnson all but said it himself: he's never going to out-scheme Alabama enough to realistically win a game, if the guys can't win their battles on the field. Nowadays that means Clemson too, really. Georgia is probably dumb enough to keep falling for it every once in a while, though.

The trick is getting a guy who can bring that development without trading in too much tactical ability. Then his price, and his other options. Who's that guy? I don't know, but there are a whole hell of a lot of guys out there. They can't all be bad at it.

And recruiting is another issue. I don't think I understand it all that well, honestly, but it isn't outside the realm of possibility that a new guy could recruit better than Johnson as well, even with our disadvantages there.

The one area that makes me hesitate when considering parting ways with Johnson is his momentum in improving things. Whether he's the guy who is responsible or not, we have our AA working with our HC and getting things related to recruiting done with at least the tacit approval of the school. That's such a tenuous situation at Tech, that nobody posting here remotely understands the Dynamics of, it'd seem to be a huge risk to yank out a fundamental part of that and replace it before we get everything out of it that we can. There's no guarantee the next guy plays any nicer with the school or the donors than CPJ. He's had a decade to get used to them and the next guy will undoubtedly suffer some culture shock when he arrives. Our school and principle donors are not necessarily the same kinds of people that are in those positions at other institutions, but coaches pretty much come in one broad cultural flavor.

Personally, I still see CPJ as a good coach for us and wouldn't change him because of the high ceiling he has and his remaining currency in program building. He's still giving us really exciting and competitive games, for the most part, and at any time we are basically a lucky bounce away from magic. I think a good defense, if we ever get that, will dramatically improve our odds and at the very least an aggressive defense will be fun to watch.

But I won't be sad if he gets replaced or anything. As long as the next guy meets our long term program building needs. Replacing him without the long term in mind would be foolish, though. Tech is not in a place to rapidly build success in any sustainable way. Yet.
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What is left out of this is that if you find “that guy” in two years he is gone. Like it or not, GT Would be
a stepping stone job for most coaches.
 
cbee said:
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What is left out of this is that if you find “that guy” in two years he is gone. Like it or not, GT Would be
a stepping stone job for most coaches.
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Who gives a shit? So because they next guy might be good and leave in 2 years we should just keep the 3-9 guy cause he’ll never leave.

Great logic.
 
ibeeballin said:
If you want the Great Value version of me then ok
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cbee said:
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What is left out of this is that if you find “that guy” in two years he is gone. Like it or not, GT Would be
a stepping stone job for most coaches.
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That's not really left out of my post. I did mention the new guys other options would be an issue.
 
cbee said:
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What is left out of this is that if you find “that guy” in two years he is gone. Like it or not, GT Would be
a stepping stone job for most coaches.
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With the exception of maybe 10 or less schools, every job is a stepping stone for most coaches.
 
Diseqc said:
Who gives a öööö? So because they next guy might be good and leave in 2 years we should just keep the 3-9 guy cause he’ll never leave.

Great logic.
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At least be rational. How many 3-9 seasons has CPJ had at Tech? How many wins has he averaged? And who was the last Tech coach to win a major bowl at Tech? Answer those questions honestly.
 
cbee said:
At least be rational. How many 3-9 seasons has CPJ had at Tech? How many wins has he averaged? And who was the last Tech coach to win a major bowl at Tech? Answer those questions honestly.
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he's had 2 great seasons (09, 14), 2 stinkers and, with the exceptions of the 2 mutt victories in 08 and 16, the rest is mostly forgettable.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
he's had 2 great seasons (09, 14), 2 stinkers and, with the exceptions of the 2 mutt victories in 08 and 16, the rest is mostly forgettable.
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He had about 4 “gift” wins in 2014. There have been as much or more losses to mediocre or less teams as there have been quality wins.

If people are going to zero in on the Miss St win, and the “kick and the pick”, then they have to acknowledge some of the losses as well.

Again, I am not a “run fire him” guy, but I just don’t get the mindset that he, and the triple option offense, are the best Tech can do. The idea that any half ass coach would quickly bolt is pure speculation.
 
The only response you need to someone that thinks CPJ is a great coach is that we are 1-3 in the last 4 years vs DUKE. LMAO
 
gogt5 said:
The only response you need to someone that thinks CPJ is a great coach is that we are 1-3 in the last 4 years vs DUKE. LMAO
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Cutcliff has raised their profile. I don't think we should ever go 1-3 over any timespan with them but let's not act like this is your 2000's Duke.
 
Diseqc said:
Who gives a öööö? So because they next guy might be good and leave in 2 years we should just keep the 3-9 guy cause he’ll never leave.

Great logic.
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The reason it matters is because replacing coaches is fraught with risk. It's better to have a guy that seems to be making slow progress (not saying that's CPJ or not) than to get a guy who gives us a great year or two then departs and we end up replacing him with somebody who sucks and sets the program back substantially. (This is arguably the story of Tennessee and Lane Kiffin.)
 
18in32 said:
The reason it matters is because replacing coaches is fraught with risk. It's better to have a guy that seems to be making slow progress (not saying that's CPJ or not) than to get a guy who gives us a great year or two then departs and we end up replacing him with somebody who sucks and sets the program back substantially. (This is arguably the story of Tennessee and Lane Kiffin.)
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It is amazing how most on this board are so afraid of change, the mantra is muddle along and HOPE things improve. We dont stand to lose alot by replacing CPJ
 
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