Duke vs Clemson

georgiatech22 said:
I don't think that it is a coincidence that Clemson hasn't been as good since Tennessee has become relevant again. For about 10 years, Clemson was able to get a lot of the players that Tennessee is now getting. It's interesting that if you look back through history, there's never been a time where both Clemson and Tennessee have both been top 10 programs. As long as Tennessee stays in the top 10, I expect Clemson to fall back to their mid 2000's levels like under Bowden.
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Clemson’s demise is directly in line with losing key assistant coaches. Dabo was always the CEO and cheerleader. It makes what Saban has done at Bama even more impressive with his revolving door of assistants.
 
georgiatech22 said:
I don't think that it is a coincidence that Clemson hasn't been as good since Tennessee has become relevant again. For about 10 years, Clemson was able to get a lot of the players that Tennessee is now getting. It's interesting that if you look back through history, there's never been a time where both Clemson and Tennessee have both been top 10 programs. As long as Tennessee stays in the top 10, I expect Clemson to fall back to their mid 2000's levels like under Bowden.
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Things like this are exactly why I don’t see the SEC throwing Clemson a lifeline. It weakens USCe, UGa, and TN. The same can be said about FSU, except Florida is a much larger state and can easily support two premier programs.

If the SEC were to take UNC, it would be all the more important to sink Clemson.

*Note: Tech is in the same boat as clemson. Any improvement on our part weakens SEC programs almost exclusively.
 
WracerX said:
Things like this are exactly why I don’t see the SEC throwing Clemson a lifeline. It weakens USCe, UGa, and TN. The same can be said about FSU, except Florida is a much larger state and can easily support two premier programs.

If the SEC were to take UNC, it would be all the more important to sink Clemson.

*Note: Tech is in the same boat as clemson. Any improvement on our part weakens SEC programs almost exclusively.
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Doesn't make much sense for UNC to leave the two 25 mile or less games they get each season. NC State, Duke, and UNC are essentially in the same town.
 
Dirty Jacket said:
Clemson’s demise is directly in line with losing key assistant coaches. Dabo was always the CEO and cheerleader. It makes what Saban has done at Bama even more impressive with his revolving door of assistants.
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This. Dabo has played the goofy likeable goober role and had strong assistants. He isn't going to "out X & O" anyone (but was a strong recruiter). Of course, a lot of coaches would look smart w/Watson & Lawrence at QB.
 
WracerX said:
It makes dollars, not sense.
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A bunch of "ifs" there.

I'd just wait for CFB to fall apart. The SEC isn't even going to outlast the eventual crumble leading to an NFL style, coast to coast, football only, league of 30 teams. It will mirror the NFL.

We will be left out, which I am fine with.

I'd bet you MAY even get a team like Auburn left out. Miami. NC State......could even see Clemson left out, since UGAg and Tennessee cover the territory. It is gonna hurt. Teams will be abandoned that you might go "huh?". UCLA will have nowhere to go, USC covers the need.

In a blank slate world, you'd not have Auburn, Alabama, and FSU in an NFL style league. GT would be out because Alabama and UGAg cover our area
 
I think it's a bit early to say that Clemson is substantially declining. It was one game with 2 deep red zone fumbles, a pick, a blocked field goal and a shanked chip shot. And Duke isn't the old Duke. They're pretty damn good and are hungry.

Hard to know which of these was the main factor; Duke being a much improved team or the decline of Clemson. A little of both I suppose.

Whatever all the factors are, it seems to me that parity is growing. Which is a bit contrary to what I expected with NIL and the transfer portal. Of course, Clemson's NIL and portal approach may also be a factor.

I expect Clemson to have a chip on its shoulder the rest of the season. We'll see if that means anything.
 
Buzzilla said:
I think it's a bit early to say that Clemson is substantially declining. It was one game with 2 deep red zone fumbles, a pick, a blocked field goal and a shanked chip shot. And Duke isn't the old Duke. They're pretty damn good and are hungry.

Hard to know which of these was the main factor; Duke being a much better team or the decline of Clemson. A little of both I suppose.

Whatever all the factors are, it seems to me that parity is growing. Which is a bit contrary to what I expected with NIL and the transfer portal. Of course, Clemson's NIL and portal approach may also be a factor.

I expect Clemson to have a chip on its shoulder the rest of the season. We'll see if that means anything for the rest of their season.
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Duke's QB stats were "meh". He was OK, but nothing spectacular. Duke just protected the ball better and got two critical fumbles when Clemson was in the red zone.

May see more upsets like this as games are shortened but commercials aren't.


And everyone has a chip on their shoulder until they get punched in the mouth
 
JJacket said:
A bunch of "ifs" there.

I'd just wait for CFB to fall apart. The SEC isn't even going to outlast the eventual crumble leading to an NFL style, coast to coast, football only, league of 30 teams. It will mirror the NFL.

We will be left out, which I am fine with.

I'd bet you MAY even get a team like Auburn left out. Miami. NC State......could even see Clemson left out, since UGAg and Tennessee cover the territory. It is gonna hurt. Teams will be abandoned that you might go "huh?". UCLA will have nowhere to go, USC covers the need.

In a blank slate world, you'd not have Auburn, Alabama, and FSU in an NFL style league. GT would be out because Alabama and UGAg cover our area
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Agree, contraction is the future. I think 30 is too few to be sustainable, though. You need teams away from NFL hubs though. FL and FSU are in good locations, Miami is not.
 
ScionOfSouthland said:
This first down running clock is devastating to the losing team. Duke cut 2 minutes off the 4th quarter leveraging it.
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JJacket said:
May see more upsets like this as games are shortened but commercials aren't.
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This rule change is a pretty big deal. Interesting to think about how that would have gone under CPJ and his ways of clock management.

I like the rule change. Makes every play during the game that much more important.
 
Buzzilla said:
This rule change is a pretty big deal. Interesting to think about how that would have gone under CPJ and his ways of clock management.

I like the rule change. Makes every play during the game that much more important.
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Imagine the frustration of the other team never touching the ball for an entire quarter.
 
Dook apparently made a very good hire as HBC - their second in a row. He's somehow getting large, mean OL/DL to commit to Dook, something our coaches need to figure out pronto. Clemson is on the downside of their run after two NFL 1st round QBs (Watson was pick 12, Lawrence was pick 1). Bryant was pretty darn good for a year in between, but they lost in the quarters in 2017. They'll still be plenty good, but after that run of QB's from 2014-2020, they've dropped off a lot. They've also lost three very good coordinators over that time as well in Chad Morris, Tony Elliot, and Brent Venables.
 
stinger78 said:
Dook apparently made a very good hire as HBC - their second in a row. He's somehow getting large, mean OL/DL to commit to Dook, something our coaches need to figure out pronto.
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Duke has made two excellent HBC hires in a row. That helps with program stability. Duke was probably the biggest beneficiary of our 3O experiment. They got better players than they normally do.

I’m not sure that Duke is recruiting big, mean linemen. They are creating big mean linemen through coaching and scheme. The clown’s hand will be felt for years. Our upper class men haven’t had the years of development that they should have.
 
WracerX said:
Duke has made two excellent HBC hires in a row. That helps with program stability. Duke was probably the biggest beneficiary of our 3O experiment. They got better players than they normally do.

I’m not sure that Duke is recruiting big, mean linemen. They are creating big mean linemen through coaching and scheme. The clown’s hand will be felt for years. Our upper class men haven’t had the years of development that they should have.
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I would also add that their strength and conditioning program is paying dividends. Several players have added 10-20lbs of muscle and the comments were that they are just overall bigger now from last year. Speed wise they looked equal to Clemson last night. There was only one jailbreak blitz the Tigers had where they sent 8 and still the Dook QB got the ball out.
 
WRT mean linemen, open field tackling, etc. look no further than Collins vs Smart. Collins would talk weepy about how much he loved his kids. The profanity laden leak from Smart’s halftime speech shows he’s not cut from the same cloth. One gets results, the other does not.
 
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