Expansion Rumors…

rocky top buzz said:
I feel like what is somewhat lost in the B1G/SEC super conferences is, what about the schools that are already in these conferences but aren't carrying their own weight? SEC added Texas and OU. Would they add Ole Miss or Mississippi State today? Vanderbilt? Even Mizzou, would the SEC choose to add them today? B1G has Northwestern, Rutgers, even Maryland would they choose to add them if they had a do-over today?

In the age of super conferences it's easy to look at the big programs on the outside looking in. But what about the little programs that are on the inside already, any chance that these conferences in seeking 16-20 team super conferences somehow part ways with the schools that essentially bring no value in the only sport that matters?
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You’re saying the SEC wouldn’t keep Ole Miss or Miss State (both are CWS champs) along with winning records in football (10-3, 7-6) I’d say they are carrying their weight. Plus, they have the personalities running the football programs in Kiffin & Leach. Hell, Vandy baseball is the only thing saving them.

South Carolina is the only program who has consistently brought nothing to the table recently. Tennessee is 2nd.
 
00Burdell said:
Two points: 1) Swofford retired a few years ago. 2) Swofford locked up Notre Dame. Give the man his due - he jumped both the B1G and the SEC w/r to ND.
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ND is not locked up with the ACC. With football only tied to a small schedule a year, they can join the B1G or SEC without any hesitation if / when needed. They know the B1G and SEC want them. The non football alliance for other sports can easily be broken. Once the next CFP format is established and the $$ is finalized they will make their decision. And going to the ACC is #4.

1. Remain Independent. Play a 10-11 game B1G / SEC split schedule.
2. Finally join the logical choice aka B1G.
3. Join the SEC.
4. Join the ACC / Phillips pisses every other school off and offers ND $15-20 million more a year than every other school recieves.
 
FightOn!Jacket said:
ND is not locked up with the ACC. With football only tied to a small schedule a year, they can join the B1G or SEC without any hesitation if / when needed. They know the B1G and SEC want them. The non football alliance for other sports can easily be broken. Once the next CFP format is established and the $$ is finalized they will make their decision. And going to the ACC is #4.

1. Remain Independent. Play a 10-11 game B1G / SEC split schedule.
2. Finally join the logical choice aka B1G.
3. Join the SEC.
4. Join the ACC / Phillips pisses every other school off and offers ND $15-20 million more a year than every other school recieves.
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Time for you to stop talking.
 
00Burdell said:
Time for you to stop talking.
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Time for you to learn how to read. Notre Dame is in no way shape or form tied to the ACC GOR for football. Or dId you intentionally just gloss over that fact when trying to wax the poetic for how great Swafford was for landing ND?
 
FightOn!Jacket said:
ND is not locked up with the ACC. With football only tied to a small schedule a year, they can join the B1G or SEC without any hesitation if / when needed. They know the B1G and SEC want them. The non football alliance for other sports can easily be broken. Once the next CFP format is established and the $$ is finalized they will make their decision. And going to the ACC is #4.

1. Remain Independent. Play a 10-11 game B1G / SEC split schedule.
2. Finally join the logical choice aka B1G.
3. Join the SEC.
4. Join the ACC / Phillips pisses every other school off and offers ND $15-20 million more a year than every other school recieves.
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They’re not joining the SEC, so I would take that option out. And I’m not entirely sure on #1 anymore either, why float out the 75M number unless you’re telegraphing your need to ultimately join a conference when you don’t get it. AND rumor is USC is planning to cancel their series after they join B1G, along with all other B1G teams - who knows if true, but could be 1 more stake tying them down to a conference if true.

My money is they end up in a further expanded B1G that includes southeast representation, to preserve their national schedule.

But, I do recall hearing a couple years back ND preferred the ACC to all other conferences if it HAD to join one, granted, I’d prefer having my wallet stolen over having my car stolen tho I don’t prefer for either to happen. While B1G seems like a natural fit, the argument I had heard was that the ACC was more in line with ND institutionally, smaller, private schools compared to the massive B1G universities. So hearing them coming on board with the ACC (with Stanford maybe) to preserve a supposed preferred landing spot wouldn’t shock me either, certainly no more than Texas in the SEC or USC to the B1G.
 
originalwombat said:
So if the payout per school $40M in the ACC and $70M in the SEC, and the buyout is $120M, then you break even after four years when you jump ship to the SEC, right? Two years if the SEC offers to split the buyout with you. What am I missing?
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I haven't seen anyone yet explain why it's in ESPN best interest to work with the SEC to expand with 2 ACC teams why at the same blowing up a network that they spent 3 years setting up distribution with a profit for them north of $100 Million and going up.

FOX is a wildcard, and I'm not saying the ACC media rights TV deal isn't trash. What I'm saying is if ESPN is pulling the strings on SEC expansion it makes no sense to push it right now. The Pac 12 deal is reduced. The Big 12 deal is reduced, and ESPN will have extra cash.


 
MidnightJacket said:
They’re not joining the SEC, so I would take that option out. And I’m not entirely sure on #1 anymore either, why float out the 75M number unless you’re telegraphing your need to ultimately join a conference when you don’t get it. AND rumor is USC is planning to cancel their series after they join B1G, along with all other B1G teams - who knows if true, but could be 1 more stake tying them down to a conference if true.

My money is they end up in a further expanded B1G that includes southeast representation, to preserve their national schedule.

But, I do recall hearing a couple years back ND preferred the ACC to all other conferences if it HAD to join one, granted, I’d prefer having my wallet stolen over having my car stolen tho I don’t prefer for either to happen. While B1G seems like a natural fit, the argument I had heard was that the ACC was more in line with ND institutionally, smaller, private schools compared to the massive B1G universities. So hearing them coming on board with the ACC to preserve a supposed preferred landing spot wouldn’t shock me either, certainly no more than Texas in the SEC or USC to the B1G.
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Do you not understand that things have changed from even a few years ago? The reasons ND used to make a decision a few years ago to give the tip to the ACC may or may not be valid today. Hey, maybe ND is tired of football in which case they have many valid reasons to come to the ACC full time. Or maybe, just maybe, the ACC was the cheap easy date who was just happy to be shown some affection. ND is using the ACC with no future obligation. I have mad respect for their business game. All the ACC has is the “hope” that they eventually join. They aren’t that dumb which is why they didn’t join before.
 
00Burdell said:
Time for you to learn how to shut the hell up and read, bitch.
www.ajc.com

John Swofford: The man who saved the ACC

John Swofford will retire as ACC commissioner in June 2021. Had he not been the league’s commissioner these past 23 years, there mightn’t be an ACC.
www.ajc.com www.ajc.com
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This is just classic. Using the AJC to explain what a great leader Swofford was. We aren’t doggies here, but nice try.
 
OptionJacket said:
This is just classic. Using the AJC to explain what a great leader Swofford was. We aren’t doggies here, but nice try.
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Bradley is no friend of GT. So I'll go with his interpretation over the one you haven't offered. Like I said earlier - time for you to stop typing.
 
00Burdell said:
Time for you to learn how to shut the hell up and read, bitch.
www.ajc.com

John Swofford: The man who saved the ACC

John Swofford will retire as ACC commissioner in June 2021. Had he not been the league’s commissioner these past 23 years, there mightn’t be an ACC.
www.ajc.com www.ajc.com
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You’re literally the first person in history who used the AJC as their reference. Wow. You’re praising the same Swafford who literally wasted years while other conferences formed and profited from networks? The payout per school doesn’t lie right now. Conference expansion was the only concept accomplished. And even that has been a flop on a national level from a football standpoint. The ACC is arguably the worst league of the P5 right now. But Swafford got his dream. He created the best P5 hoops conference. Oh wait, the ACC already was pre-expansion.
 
MidnightJacket said:
They’re not joining the SEC, so I would take that option out. And I’m not entirely sure on #1 anymore either, why float out the 75M number unless you’re telegraphing your need to ultimately join a conference when you don’t get it. AND rumor is USC is planning to cancel their series after they join B1G, along with all other B1G teams - who knows if true, but could be 1 more stake tying them down to a conference if true.

My money is they end up in a further expanded B1G that includes southeast representation, to preserve their national schedule.

But, I do recall hearing a couple years back ND preferred the ACC to all other conferences if it HAD to join one, granted, I’d prefer having my wallet stolen over having my car stolen tho I don’t prefer for either to happen. While B1G seems like a natural fit, the argument I had heard was that the ACC was more in line with ND institutionally, smaller, private schools compared to the massive B1G universities. So hearing them coming on board with the ACC (with Stanford maybe) to preserve a supposed preferred landing spot wouldn’t shock me either, certainly no more than Texas in the SEC or USC to the B1G.
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At one time, you’re 100% right. ND did prefer the ACC if they had to join a conference. That all changed with multiple CFP appearances recently. They feel they can stay Independent. Based on the article recently they are trying to get NBC to pay $75 million a year, because they are willing to eat $25 million to stay Independent. That seems odd, but everything is purely speculation at this point.

As far as USC, Michigan, etc talking about canceling the series, I had not heard that. Seems like a B1G ploy to try and force their hand. I would be shocked if USC-ND stop playing. That series has stood the ever changing landscape of CFB.

I think the logical end is ND eventually joins the B1G when the dust settles and the future of the CFP is decided.
 
FightOn!Jacket said:
You’re saying the SEC wouldn’t keep Ole Miss or Miss State (both are CWS champs) along with winning records in football (10-3, 7-6) I’d say they are carrying their weight. Plus, they have the personalities running the football programs in Kiffin & Leach. Hell, Vandy baseball is the only thing saving them.

South Carolina is the only program who has consistently brought nothing to the table recently. Tennessee is 2nd.
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The MS schools have attention right now because of their coaches; it won't last. UT in 2022 won the baseball and men's basketball tournaments, 1st time in SEC history that a team has held both. So no they're nowhere close to 2nd from the bottom. Football is greatly improved with Heupel and look at their recruiting. All that said, fact is a team that can bring in 100k fans consistently to witness the BS Football in the past 5 years, they're definitely generating their share of media. Unfortunately for GT getting 30k a game and losing isn't going to help get in to another conference.
 
00Burdell said:
Bradley is no friend of GT. So I'll go with his interpretation over the one you haven't offered. Like I said earlier - time for you to stop typing.
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Why would anyone stop typing? It’s a freaking free message board. None of this typing matters, mine or yours. But it is telling that when your thought process is shown to be not right that you want to shut down the discussion. Hey, if you believe Bradley’s opinion piece then that’s fine by me and you can type away. The rest of us will just keep laughing.
 
FightOn!Jacket said:
You’re saying the SEC wouldn’t keep Ole Miss or Miss State (both are CWS champs) along with winning records in football (10-3, 7-6) I’d say they are carrying their weight. Plus, they have the personalities running the football programs in Kiffin & Leach. Hell, Vandy baseball is the only thing saving them.

South Carolina is the only program who has consistently brought nothing to the table recently. Tennessee is 2nd.
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I cannot disagree more. Tennessee delivers Rocky Top while SC delivers a plethora of mascot jokes. For additional goodness both have provided the dwags with memorable losses in recent football memory.
 
FightOn!Jacket said:
You’re saying the SEC wouldn’t keep Ole Miss or Miss State (both are CWS champs) along with winning records in football (10-3, 7-6) I’d say they are carrying their weight. Plus, they have the personalities running the football programs in Kiffin & Leach. Hell, Vandy baseball is the only thing saving them.

South Carolina is the only program who has consistently brought nothing to the table recently. Tennessee is 2nd.
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I might add. Missouri to that list
 
JJacket said:
Do we have the option of renegotiating the contract if ND joins? If so, we should try to steal Penn State. I would say Maryland, but öööö those guys
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I do not care to ever cross paths with Maryland again. ööööing twerps.
 
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