Expansion

THWG247 said:
No way in hell is the SEC taking the likes of Cuse, Louisville, BC, Pitt, dook, and WF
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I could see them taking Pitt, and Louisville in a bigger package deal; but I don't see them adding the others or NC State.
 
Buzzilla said:
I don't think it's wishful thinking. Anything is possible and things are rapidly moving.

FSU is playing the BIG10 card to force ESPN's hand on the GOR. ESPN should be concerned. As time goes by and the buyout gets cheaper by the day ESPN loses more and more leverage and value to their current deals. I don't believe ESPN can just sit idly by and assume there existing deals assure them of much of anything. Fox and BIG 10 are not standing idly by.

Combining the ACC and SEC together and adding more money to the deal sounds interesting but I'm not sure you can get all the schools to agree to that. The ACC and SEC would be 29 teams combined not counting Notre Dame. ESPN could play a role in making it happen but I'm not sure the SEC would take all 15 teams from the ACC.

I think it would great. I think it would benefit all the programs involved. I'm sure you could break the 29 teams in to regional "pods". Would produce some outstanding matchups, create a lot of fun new and old rivalries and make great television. Would be great for Tech. I hope it happens.
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ND would 100% be in favor of joining that. The consequence of not is being left out. ESPN would also put money on that because it makes a lot of rivalries now conference games, and ESPN gets to crush the nbc deal.

There’s one person who would be 100% against this and that is the ACC commissioner who would lose his job.
 
aeromech said:
I could see them taking Pitt, and Louisville in a bigger package deal; but I don't see them adding the others or NC State.
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I don’t see anyway the SEC takes Pitt. They would add WV first.

Adding UL weakens UK, no way they do that unless there is massive payback (think Clemson or FSU).
 
THWG247 said:
No way in hell is the SEC taking the likes of Cuse, Louisville, BC, Pitt, dook, and WF
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I don't know if the SEC powers really even want all the SEC teams. They could jettison 3-4 schools and not lose a dime of revenue
 
WracerX said:
I don’t see anyway the SEC takes Pitt. They would add WV first.

Adding UL weakens UK, no way they do that unless there is massive payback (think Clemson or FSU).
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Using that logic, Clemson weakens USC, FSU weakens UF, and GT weakens UGA. I don't think that logic holds up when there are so many states with 2 SEC teams. Pitt really depends on whether the SEC wants to go that far north. I don't think they take Pitt or Louisville without it being in a bigger package; but I don't see them taking Duke, WF, BC, Cuse, NCState even in a package deal. I guess it comes down to whether they are forced to take one of those teams to break the ACC GOR.
 
CiraldoForever said:
Before the last two weeks, I really hoped Tech could join the Big 10 or the SEC. But now, those conferences do not seem as attractive as they did.

If we joined the Big 10 today, our eight of our conference games in a season could be Rutgers, Northwestern, Illinois, Purdue, Indiana, Oregon, Washington and UCLA. That is not as attractive as our ACC schedule.

If we joined the SEC, eight of ouur conference games in a season could be Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Mississippi State, South Carolina, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas and Missouri. How is that so much better than our ACC schedule?
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Yeah that makes sense to list the worst case scenarios for both given the leadership and attention to detail both of those conferences have exhibited during the expansion era.

Most likely situation is we join Big Ten in the next decade with a handful of other ACC schools and have a regional slate with UNC, UVA, FSU, Clemson and Maryland or something similar.
 
WracerX said:
I don’t see anyway the SEC takes Pitt. They would add WV first.

Adding UL weakens UK, no way they do that unless there is massive payback (think Clemson or FSU).
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Why is UK's concern any greater than USC, UF or the cesspool?
 
GTCrew4b said:
Yeah that makes sense to list the worst case scenarios for both given the leadership and attention to detail both of those conferences have exhibited during the expansion era.

Most likely situation is we join Big Ten in the next decade with a handful of other ACC schools and have a regional slate with UNC, UVA, FSU, Clemson and Maryland or something similar.
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Or we end up like Stanford and Cal hoping to join a Mountain West equivalent
 
Kcs_Tech said:
If ESPN really wants to consolidate their holdings in ACC, SEC I don't think individual SEC schools will be able to stop it.
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You are making my point. ESPN and the networks run the show. This is long past “well their rivals will block them” stuff. Like it or not, FSU and Clemson are the big market drivers in the ACC. If they leave, the ACC is totally neutered
 
Kcs_Tech said:
If ESPN really wants to consolidate their holdings in ACC, SEC I don't think individual SEC schools will be able to stop it.
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If ESPN is really in charge then they would probably jump on the opportunity to jettison the weak teams
 
aeromech said:
Using that logic, Clemson weakens USC, FSU weakens UF, and GT weakens UGA. I don't think that logic holds up when there are so many states with 2 SEC teams. Pitt really depends on whether the SEC wants to go that far north. I don't think they take Pitt or Louisville without it being in a bigger package; but I don't see them taking Duke, WF, BC, Cuse, NCState even in a package deal. I guess it comes down to whether they are forced to take one of those teams to break the ACC GOR.
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I could see NCst going to the SEC if UNC goes to the BIG
 
THWG247 said:
I could see NCst going to the SEC if UNC goes to the BIG
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In addition to the increased Cable TV rates a conference network receives for subscribers in the footprint of a conference school, TV ratings increase because fans will watch the local team's conference games, even if their team is not playing. This could drive Fox / NBC to push the B1G into poaching ACC teams to get viewers(in order of preference):
- Florida
- Georgia
- Virginia
- North Carolina
- South Carolina
- New York (hopeless NFL / pro sports fans)
- Kentucky

All of these states are Exclusive ESPN territory. Fox / NBC / B1G network would increase revenue / ratings tremendously by poaching:
- F$U
- Miami
- GT
- UVA
- UNC
- Clemson

Taking the B1G to 24 teams, four 6 team pods or three 8 team pods for a final 4 conference playoff (with wildcard in the 3 pod scenario).
 
Beeski said:
In addition to the increased Cable TV rates a conference network receives for subscribers in the footprint of a conference school, TV ratings increase because fans will watch the local team's conference games, even if their team is not playing. This could drive Fox / NBC to push the B1G into poaching ACC teams to get viewers(in order of preference):
- Florida
- Georgia
- Virginia
- North Carolina
- South Carolina
- New York (hopeless NFL / pro sports fans)
- Kentucky

All of these states are Exclusive ESPN territory. Fox / NBC / B1G network would increase revenue / ratings tremendously by poaching:
- F$U
- Miami
- GT
- UVA
- UNC
- Clemson

Taking the B1G to 24 teams, four 6 team pods or three 8 team pods for a final 4 conference playoff (with wildcard in the 3 pod scenario).
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I think ESPN would be fine with conceding the Midwest and west to lock down the east coast and south with an sec/acc merger. It would halt the B1G in its tracks and lock it out of the areas experiencing most population growth.
 
Beeski said:
In addition to the increased Cable TV rates a conference network receives for subscribers in the footprint of a conference school, TV ratings increase because fans will watch the local team's conference games, even if their team is not playing. This could drive Fox / NBC to push the B1G into poaching ACC teams to get viewers(in order of preference):
- Florida
- Georgia
- Virginia
- North Carolina
- South Carolina
- New York (hopeless NFL / pro sports fans)
- Kentucky

All of these states are Exclusive ESPN territory. Fox / NBC / B1G network would increase revenue / ratings tremendously by poaching:
- F$U
- Miami
- GT
- UVA
- UNC
- Clemson

Taking the B1G to 24 teams, four 6 team pods or three 8 team pods for a final 4 conference playoff (with wildcard in the 3 pod scenario).
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I actually think BIG might target us first out of the ACC, Atlanta is the #6 media market in the country and a top destination where BIG alumni relocate to. Miami is #18, Greensboro #47, Tallahassee is #105
 
savbandjacket said:
I think ESPN would be fine with conceding the Midwest and west to lock down the east coast and south with an sec/acc merger. It would halt the B1G in its tracks and lock it out of the areas experiencing most population growth.
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If ESPN merges the ACC and SEC, I think it will quickly divide it again into divisions similar to the old Big East, old ACC, old Big 8 (Army, Texas, Oklahoma, Mizzou), and old SEC (i.e. SEC north, south, east, and west). It would provide them with an opportunity to move Vandy, Kentucky, and USCe as well.
 
midatlantech said:
We need to find a way to the top of college football and all things will work out.
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Man why didn't anyone think of that before?

FSU is sitting there saying that they can't compete with the top teams because of the ACC's resource disparity, but all they need to do is beat the top teams and then they don't need to worry about the resource disparity preventing them from competing with the top teams because they'll have already beaten them.
 
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