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midatlantech said:
Two teams let the ACC down in football: Miami and Georgia Tech. FSU’s demise didn’t help either.

We need to find a way to the top of college football and all things will work out.
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okay captain obvious…what is your plan to find a way for GT to be at the top of college football?
 
BranMart said:
Could do that in the ACC...assholes need to figure it out.
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Asshole #1 stepping up:

Three 5 team pods.
Final 4 conference championship playoff, 3 pod winners and a wildcard.

North:
- BC
- Cuse
- Pitt
- VPI&SU
- Notre Dame (they currently play 5 ACC games....just need 3 more for an 8 game conference schedule)

Central:
- UNC
- NCSU
- Wake
- Duke
- UVA

South:
- Clemson
- GT
- F$U
- Miami
- Louisville

With ND joining, re-negotiate ESPN and NBC deals to get the ACC up to the $100mil level.
 
savbandjacket said:
Iron sharpens iron. And we would get better exposure from that schedule which would mean better recruiting and more money. Going to play Duke in front of 400 people on raycom does nothing for us but cost us $.
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I'm told fan in stands does not matter anymore, it's TV eyes that translate into $$$. Maybe so. As for recruits, winning solves that puzzle. If they changed the postseason structure to division/pod champs only, then suddenly that Dook game has meaning in the W/L column (the only one that should really matter, IMPO). Win your division, play for championships, and sustain that over time and recruiting will soar.

At least, that's the way it used to be. NIL + Portal seems to have changed all that. Now recruiting is all about money, too. (I know, I know, money has always influenced recruiting). Yes, it has, but now it IS recruiting. Just a major sea-change from 20+ years ago. It is what it is.
 
stinger78 said:
I'm told fan in stands does not matter anymore, it's TV eyes that translate into $$$. Maybe so. As for recruits, winning solves that puzzle. If they changed the postseason structure to division/pod champs only, then suddenly that Dook game has meaning in the W/L column (the only one that should really matter, IMPO). Win your division, play for championships, and sustain that over time and recruiting will soar.

At least, that's the way it used to be. NIL + Portal seems to have changed all that. Now recruiting is all about money, too. (I know, I know, money has always influenced recruiting). Yes, it has, but now it IS recruiting. Just a major sea-change from 20+ years ago. It is what it is.
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Fan in the stands does matter. It creates atmosphere. Atmosphere draws eyes on tv and makes the game more interesting. Remember how boring and stupid the Covid basketball games with no fans felt? That’s what acc at Duke are like.
 
The AAU thing still seems to be carrying weight in the B1G, that may make it tough for FSU and Clemson to get an invite; but it isn't a problem for GT, UNC, UVA, Miami, and Pitt...or even Duke. Duke is probably almost a big a long shot as USF or Tulane; but who knows how much influence the B1G University Presidents have.
 
savbandjacket said:
Fan in the stands does matter. It creates atmosphere. Atmosphere draws eyes on tv and makes the game more interesting. Remember how boring and stupid the Covid basketball games with no fans felt? That’s what acc at Duke are like.
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I would agree, but I’m told otherwise. Fans matter to the passionate ethos of the college game, but less so to the cold financiers of the pro game.
 
aeromech said:
The AAU thing still seems to be carrying weight in the B1G, that may make it tough for FSU and Clemson to get an invite; but it isn't a problem for GT, UNC, UVA, Miami, and Pitt...or even Duke. Duke is probably almost a big a long shot as USF or Tulane; but who knows how much influence the B1G University Presidents have.
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if the B1G Presidents want to add academic prestige, adding Stanford, Duke, GT and Notre Dame would stroke their egos in a 22 team conference.
 
stinger78 said:
I'm told fan in stands does not matter anymore, it's TV eyes that translate into $$$. Maybe so. As for recruits, winning solves that puzzle. If they changed the postseason structure to division/pod champs only, then suddenly that Dook game has meaning in the W/L column (the only one that should really matter, IMPO). Win your division, play for championships, and sustain that over time and recruiting will soar.

At least, that's the way it used to be. NIL + Portal seems to have changed all that. Now recruiting is all about money, too. (I know, I know, money has always influenced recruiting). Yes, it has, but now it IS recruiting. Just a major sea-change from 20+ years ago. It is what it is.
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I wonder what Tech’s TV ratings in the Atlanta market were last year? To be fair you need to go back and look at some of the CPJ years also.
 
midatlantech said:
Two teams let the ACC down in football: Miami and Georgia Tech. FSU’s demise didn’t help either.

We need to find a way to the top of college football and all things will work out.
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While I have a ton of respect for FSU and look forward to attending a game in Tallahassee at some point, their complaints about the ACC's situation ring hollow. They signed the contract. Their recent coaching decisions in football have also not help the conference in the least. Now that they look to be returning to an elite level, they seem to be chirping A LOT. The Seminoles had better deliver this year following all the smack talk.
 
JC7 said:
While I have a ton of respect for FSU and look forward to attending a game in Tallahassee at some point, their complaints about the ACC's situation ring hollow. They signed the contract. Their recent coaching decisions in football have also not help the conference in the least. Now that they look to be returning to an elite level, they seem to be chirping A LOT. The Seminoles had better deliver this year following all the smack talk.
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I just don’t understand all the angst against FSU. We should be backing them. The ACC is a dead conference and yet only FSU seems to care. Put it this way, when UNC is looking to get out of the conference they’ve run (Swofford) you know it’s over. I guarantee you right now Swofford is burning up the phones ensuring UNC gets a BIG invite and that’s the guy responsible for all of this. As the saying goes, the first guy through the wall always get bloody. That’s FSU and I hope GT is right behind them. And this years performance has nothing to do with anything. It’s the long view just like if we had a President who had the long view we’d be in the BIG right now.
 
I think we should merge with the AAC and the Sun Belt into a massive southern conference. That way we have plenty of easy conference games like the SEC, and our top teams can be virtually assured of going undefeated and being in the playoffs every year. Further, we should sign another grant of rights agreement with all of those teams, so anytime anybody leaves, we all clean up on exit fees.

We could call it the SBAACC and we could be sponsored by Sbarro's.
 
OptionJacket said:
I just don’t understand all the angst against FSU. We should be backing them. The ACC is a dead conference and yet only FSU seems to care. Put it this way, when UNC is looking to get out of the conference they’ve run (Swofford) you know it’s over. I guarantee you right now Swofford is burning up the phones ensuring UNC gets a BIG invite and that’s the guy responsible for all of this. As the saying goes, the first guy through the wall always get bloody. That’s FSU and I hope GT is right behind them. And this years performance has nothing to do with anything. It’s the long view just like if we had a President who had the long view we’d be in the BIG right now.
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Nothing against FSU, but their bluster seems premature. It's feels like a hedge fund or something that may or may not succeed.
 
GoldenIsle said:
I wonder what Tech’s TV ratings in the Atlanta market were last year? To be fair you need to go back and look at some of the CPJ years also.
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We have been middle of the pack in the ACC for TV ratings during the Collins debacle. I think our rating would increse quite a bit if we were playing a BIG schedule rather than the acc weekly ööööshow
 
Kcs_Tech said:
Says he has sources but sounds like wishful thinking.
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I get the logic. A defensive move on ESPN's part to prevent B1G from entering the South / Mid-Atlantic and destroying the ACC Network.
I would think having two cable channels, SEC Network and ACC Network, is more valuable than a Powerhouse SEC network, so ESPN stepping up payments to get the ACC per team share in the SEC / B1G neighborhood is also a defensive option.
 
Kcs_Tech said:
Says he has sources but sounds like wishful thinking.
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I don't think it's wishful thinking. Anything is possible and things are rapidly moving.

FSU is playing the BIG10 card to force ESPN's hand on the GOR. ESPN should be concerned. As time goes by and the buyout gets cheaper by the day ESPN loses more and more leverage and value to their current deals. I don't believe ESPN can just sit idly by and assume there existing deals assure them of much of anything. Fox and BIG 10 are not standing idly by.

Combining the ACC and SEC together and adding more money to the deal sounds interesting but I'm not sure you can get all the schools to agree to that. The ACC and SEC would be 29 teams combined not counting Notre Dame. ESPN could play a role in making it happen but I'm not sure the SEC would take all 15 teams from the ACC.

I think it would great. I think it would benefit all the programs involved. I'm sure you could break the 29 teams in to regional "pods". Would produce some outstanding matchups, create a lot of fun new and old rivalries and make great television. Would be great for Tech. I hope it happens.
 
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