Expansion

I imagine it's been considered, but I'm also sure all the current power brokers couldn't give a öööö. Growth at the expense of longevity is the next person's problem. They see the opportunity to make money now, future product and consumer be damned.
Exactly. Too many people acting in short-term self-interest.

Unfortunately I think this new college football may reach a stable state where there are basically big schools with professional teams, as others have predicted. I had some hope that it'll ultimately become redundant with the NFL, and people will then lose interest, but now I'm more pessimistic. I think people have tribal identities with big schools (college football teams) just like they do with big cities (NFL teams). Therefore it's probably sustainable as just a different flavor of professional football. Even if it's say 20% of the interest level at college football's peak, it's still viable.
 
It’s clear that the contract the ACC needs to look to end is the one with ESPN. We still have a marketable product (we win more than B1G and have bigger markets than sec) and look for a new broadcast deal with Fox, NBC (maybe roll in somehow with ND), or CBS.

ESPN is holding the ACC over a barrel and destroying the ability of its member schools to compete all while upping the payouts to our competitors. It’s really unconscionable when you think back to how ESPN dragged its feet on the ACC network while putting SEC network in overdrive.
Also add in the constant nut-gargling ESPN performs on the SEC to the exclusion of the ACC. It seems they’ve actively tried to maximize their SEC investment at the expense of any other college conference investments they’ve made. It’s sickening.
 
How many teams have to jump ship to bust the GOR deal? If for example if FSU & Clemson were to leave, are the other schools still trapped by it? Likewise, if the ACC were to add teams or merge with PAC or the B1G does that nullify the GOR?
 
How many teams have to jump ship to bust the GOR deal? If for example if FSU & Clemson were to leave, are the other schools still trapped by it? Likewise, if the ACC were to add teams or merge with PAC or the B1G does that nullify the GOR?
I'm told the magic number is 8. And have reason to believe that's how many schools F$U has been lobbying behind the scenes.
 
Before the last two weeks, I really hoped Tech could join the Big 10 or the SEC. But now, those conferences do not seem as attractive as they did.

If we joined the Big 10 today, our eight of our conference games in a season could be Rutgers, Northwestern, Illinois, Purdue, Indiana, Oregon, Washington and UCLA. That is not as attractive as our ACC schedule.

If we joined the SEC, eight of ouur conference games in a season could be Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Mississippi State, South Carolina, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas and Missouri. How is that so much better than our ACC schedule?
 
How many teams have to jump ship to bust the GOR deal? If for example if FSU & Clemson were to leave, are the other schools still trapped by it? Likewise, if the ACC were to add teams or merge with PAC or the B1G does that nullify the GOR?

For the latter questions, I think the only thing that would remove the GOR in those contexts is a renegotiation of the tv contract for a different set of teams. Would certainly happen if any teams are added. If 2 buy their way out I am not certain.
 
I imagine it's been considered, but I'm also sure all the current power brokers couldn't give a öööö. Short term profit at the expense of longevity is the next person's problem. They see the opportunity to make money now, future product and consumer be damned.
I really don't get it. Right now when a big game is on people watch that game. If 4 big games are on at the same time it will not draw 4x eyeballs. I will watch a "big game" today but once they are five with this öööö I won't watch anything but GT. I strongly believe cfb benefits from having the big guys play the little guys, just not fcs bs.
 
Before the last two weeks, I really hoped Tech could join the Big 10 or the SEC. But now, those conferences do not seem as attractive as they did.

If we joined the Big 10 today, our eight of our conference games in a season could be Rutgers, Northwestern, Illinois, Purdue, Indiana, Oregon, Washington and UCLA. That is not as attractive as our ACC schedule.

If we joined the SEC, eight of ouur conference games in a season could be Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Mississippi State, South Carolina, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas and Missouri. How is that so much better than our ACC schedule?
First off, we would get more cow bell.
 
Long time lurker, 1st post on all this happenings.…Lets look at this as a whole.

2004: ACC started the demise of the Big East by adding Miami and VT, which at the time looked like great additions.
2005: ACC added BC from the floundering Big East.
2013: ACC adds Pitt and Syracuse.
2014: ACC completes current FT expansion by adding Louisville.

Looking back at this, the ACC took football programs in BC, Syracuse and Pitt at the time that really didn’t move the meter. Pitt has ended up the best addition of the 3 from a football perspective. Louisville had things going when they joined the ACC, but has recently tailed off.

During this same period of time the SEC, B1G, B12 and now defunct P12 added the following:

SEC: Mizzou, TAMU - 2014.
B1G: Nebraska (2011), Maryland, Rutgers (2014).
P12: Colorado, Utah - 2011.
B12: TCU, WVU - 2012.

So while most of the conference realignment started in 2011 to present, the ACC started it all back in 2004 with the first few dominoes falling in Miami, VT followed by BC.

Fast forward to 2021 to now, and everything has changed. Texas / OU gave plenty of warning to the B12 to fix the media rights. The B12 didn’t, so they contacted the SEC. 2022 played out the same way for the P12 when USC and UCLA after dealing with the worst media deal out there due to Larry Scott, gave George K time to fix the problem. He didn’t and the B1G quickly moved to add them when contacted.

1 year later, here we are. The B12 has fixed the losses of Texas & OU by adding some solid programs in UCF, Cincy, Houston, BYU and now Utah. ASU, Arizona and Colorado are perfect fits geographically. The B1G went out and delivered the final nail by grabbing 2 big brands in Oregon and Washington.

Reality is, how can anyone blame any P12 school for how poorly the conference was managed as a whole? As someone who lived out West for a decade it’s a sad day, but the conference has no one to blame but the leadership. This is not the fault of USC or UCLA.

ACC in a blink of an eye has gone from 3rd / 4th battling the now defunct P12 to 4th starting in 2024 behind the B12 from a football perspective. The B12 made all the right moves post Texas & OU departing, so what can the ACC do? Some may not agree with this, but it’s time to quit worrying about the so called academic prestige of the school and go and get who should be in the ACC now. WVU. From there It’s hard to figure out who the ACC can get from the geographic footprint that can help elevate the league. ND is not going to join the ACC FT. We might as well forget that.

So for the health of GT trying to rebuild a brand that has lot all national recognition with the decline of the hoops program since 2005, and of course the last 5 years of football, the ACC needs to settle FSU and Clemson to an extent down, so the big red button isn’t pushed. If FSU in fact pushes the red button, I hope GT can in fact quickly contact the B12 and secure a spot. While the B1G looks like the best fit for GT from an academic perspective, it sounds like they will take that risk on brands that are sort of down currently in Stanford and Cal. We all know by now the SEC will not extend an invite to GT. If the ACC folds, they have bigger brands currently they can pouch from the ACC.

I’ll end this long post with this. With NIL only in its infancy stages, and the reality that pay for play is on the approaching horizon (probably 5 years) I have a simple resolution.

The players can sign a contract with the school, get a salary which includes health care benefits, etc as a part of the contract. But once it goes to financial contracts with schools, the players will now have to pay their tuition. The full ride scholarships will cover food, travel and room and board.
 
Before the last two weeks, I really hoped Tech could join the Big 10 or the SEC. But now, those conferences do not seem as attractive as they did.

If we joined the Big 10 today, our eight of our conference games in a season could be Rutgers, Northwestern, Illinois, Purdue, Indiana, Oregon, Washington and UCLA. That is not as attractive as our ACC schedule.

If we joined the SEC, eight of ouur conference games in a season could be Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Mississippi State, South Carolina, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas and Missouri. How is that so much better than our ACC schedule?

If we stay in the ACC, eight of our conference games in a season could be Syracuse, BC, Wake Forest, Duke, NCState, Pitt, Va Tech, UVA. How is that as good as the above?

[Note: I doubt either of our posts are realistic. Both are closer to worst case.]
 
College football was getting ööööty the last few years, it’s turning uninteresting now
I don’t get the rush to the B1G and the SECheat - for money. Those guys don’t give two hoots about Oregon and Washington, except the money they can bring. That’s it. Same for GA Tech.

College football is about regional rivalries and working or going to school with friends of a different stripe. It’s about where you do your college and your alma mater. It’s about the guys you sit next to on M,W,F representing your school in athletics on Saturday, not about money. That’s college ball, or was college ball. Now it’s all screwed up. Sad.
 
I don’t get the rush to the B1G and the SECheat - for money. Those guys don’t give two hoots about Oregon and Washington, except the money they can bring. That’s it. Same for GA Tech.

College football is about regional rivalries and working or going to school with friends of a different stripe. It’s about where you do your college and your alma mater. It’s about the guys you sit next to on M,W,F representing your school in athletics on Saturday, not about money. That’s college ball, or was college ball. Now it’s all screwed up. Sad.
All true, but Duke, Wake, Louisville, Pitt, BC, and Syracuse aren’t rivals. Those are dull matchups that no one outside of the fans of the teams playing will watch.
 
All true, but Duke, Wake, Louisville, Pitt, BC, and Syracuse aren’t rivals. Those are dull matchups that no one outside of the fans of the teams playing will watch.
We’ve played Dook since forever. They are surely a rivalry. Not a hot rivalry though. Wake is not a rival but they've been a conference mate for over 40 years now.
L’ville, BC, Syracuse… nah. Pitt and GA Tech have a lot in common. I like playing them but it doesn’t feel rivalish.
 
If we stay in the ACC, eight of our conference games in a season could be Syracuse, BC, Wake Forest, Duke, NCState, Pitt, Va Tech, UVA. How is that as good as the above?

[Note: I doubt either of our posts are realistic. Both are closer to worst case.]

The ACC has never been an exciting conference for football. But it seems like the Big 10 and SEC are not as elite as they used to be. I'm getting pretty sick of the whole mess. FSU is just stupid and arrogant. I hope they do borrow a billion dollars so they can start sending their volleyball team to games in Oregon and draw 40,000 people when they host Northwestern in football. And I can't wait for the first SEC football game between Vanderbilt and Texas in Austin. The SEC. It just costs more.
 
Long time lurker, 1st post on all this happenings.…Lets look at this as a whole.

2004: ACC started the demise of the Big East by adding Miami and VT, which at the time looked like great additions.
2005: ACC added BC from the floundering Big East.
2013: ACC adds Pitt and Syracuse.
2014: ACC completes current FT expansion by adding Louisville.

Looking back at this, the ACC took football programs in BC, Syracuse and Pitt at the time that really didn’t move the meter. Pitt has ended up the best addition of the 3 from a football perspective. Louisville had things going when they joined the ACC, but has recently tailed off.

During this same period of time the SEC, B1G, B12 and now defunct P12 added the following:

SEC: Mizzou, TAMU - 2014.
B1G: Nebraska (2011), Maryland, Rutgers (2014).
P12: Colorado, Utah - 2011.
B12: TCU, WVU - 2012.

So while most of the conference realignment started in 2011 to present, the ACC started it all back in 2004 with the first few dominoes falling in Miami, VT followed by BC.

Fast forward to 2021 to now, and everything has changed. Texas / OU gave plenty of warning to the B12 to fix the media rights. The B12 didn’t, so they contacted the SEC. 2022 played out the same way for the P12 when USC and UCLA after dealing with the worst media deal out there due to Larry Scott, gave George K time to fix the problem. He didn’t and the B1G quickly moved to add them when contacted.

1 year later, here we are. The B12 has fixed the losses of Texas & OU by adding some solid programs in UCF, Cincy, Houston, BYU and now Utah. ASU, Arizona and Colorado are perfect fits geographically. The B1G went out and delivered the final nail by grabbing 2 big brands in Oregon and Washington.

Reality is, how can anyone blame any P12 school for how poorly the conference was managed as a whole? As someone who lived out West for a decade it’s a sad day, but the conference has no one to blame but the leadership. This is not the fault of USC or UCLA.

ACC in a blink of an eye has gone from 3rd / 4th battling the now defunct P12 to 4th starting in 2024 behind the B12 from a football perspective. The B12 made all the right moves post Texas & OU departing, so what can the ACC do? Some may not agree with this, but it’s time to quit worrying about the so called academic prestige of the school and go and get who should be in the ACC now. WVU. From there It’s hard to figure out who the ACC can get from the geographic footprint that can help elevate the league. ND is not going to join the ACC FT. We might as well forget that.

So for the health of GT trying to rebuild a brand that has lot all national recognition with the decline of the hoops program since 2005, and of course the last 5 years of football, the ACC needs to settle FSU and Clemson to an extent down, so the big red button isn’t pushed. If FSU in fact pushes the red button, I hope GT can in fact quickly contact the B12 and secure a spot. While the B1G looks like the best fit for GT from an academic perspective, it sounds like they will take that risk on brands that are sort of down currently in Stanford and Cal. We all know by now the SEC will not extend an invite to GT. If the ACC folds, they have bigger brands currently they can pouch from the ACC.

I’ll end this long post with this. With NIL only in its infancy stages, and the reality that pay for play is on the approaching horizon (probably 5 years) I have a simple resolution.

The players can sign a contract with the school, get a salary which includes health care benefits, etc as a part of the contract. But once it goes to financial contracts with schools, the players will now have to pay their tuition. The full ride scholarships will cover food, travel and room and board.
Good first post, keep ‘em coming. Just make sure you familiarize yourself with the rules of the site. Pics. Of your mom. Now. Thank you, and I look forward to reading more of your insights.
 
There’s always going to be a place for the ACC.

The way things are shaping up, you’ll have 3 tiers of conferences: the $100 million SEC and B1G, the $50 million ACC and XII, and the $10 million everyone else. The B1G and SEC will just play their own conference teams and the two champions will play for the national championship. XII and ACC champs will play for tier 2 champions, and the est will form some sort of playoff.

Its no different than FBS vs FCS today, just with more divisions.
 
ACC in a blink of an eye has gone from 3rd / 4th battling the now defunct P12 to 4th starting in 2024 behind the B12 from a football perspective. The B12 made all the right moves post Texas & OU departing…

I keep hearing this. What marquee team does the XII have? They added Cincinnati, Houston, and UCF so now it’s a powerhouse conference?

They did a good job not folding, it they’re objectively still worse than the ACC.
 
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