Expansion

GT flunkout said:
Shiny new thing. It's pretty ööööty if you really look at the sum of the individual parts. The rotting entrails of what's left of the old Big 12 Frankensteined with with Mountain West/ConfUSA mutts and Pac12 scraps.

This all comes down to the short sightedness of USC and UCLA. öööö them. Say what you will about expansion everywhere else, but at least there was an attempt at geographic cohesion. The big 12 took scraps from where it could but everyone else is contiguous. So öööö you Big 10 and öööö you USC/UCLA.
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This.
 
gtphd said:
I keep hearing this. What marquee team does the XII have? They added Cincinnati, Houston, and UCF so now it’s a powerhouse conference?

They did a good job not folding, it they’re objectively still worse than the ACC.
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You left out BYU and Utah. Utah from a brand perspective is the best add, I think you can agree with that. But look at the results from the other programs not named Arizona, ASU and Colorado over the last 5 years.

Cincy:
2018 - 11-2
2019 - 11-3
2020 - 9-1
2021 - 13-1 CFP appearance.
2022 - 9-4

UCF:
2018 - 12-1
2019 - 10-3
2020 - 6-4
2021 - 9-4
2022 - 9-5

Houston
2018 - 8-5
2019 - 4-8
2020 - 3-5
2021 - 12-2
2022 - 8-5

BYU:
2018 - 7-6
2019 - 7-6
2020 - 11-1
2021 - 10-3
2022 - 8-5

UH had a downturn before getting Holgerson back from WVU.

As a collective combined with the overall consistency of Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma State, KSU is a solid foundation. Hard to believe a program in WVU has now fallen to the worst program in the conference. Now compare that to the ACC at the moment. Miami, UVA, VT, Syracuse, Louisville, Duke and BC are programs struggling to put together back to back 6 win seasons.

When Pitt, NCSU and Wake are carrying the league behind Clemson from a consistency perspective at the moment it makes it hard from a national view to not look at the ACC as down. Both FSU and Miami have not been carrying the weight as of late to help with the overall perception.

In the end we’ll see how it goes soon with the new look B12 version 1.0 versus the ACC starting in 1 month.

Here’s hoping the ACC can have a run of 8+ win teams to go with Clemson and FSU to slow down the ACC sucks narrative.
 
stinger78 said:
I don’t get the rush to the B1G and the SECheat - for money. Those guys don’t give two hoots about Oregon and Washington, except the money they can bring. That’s it. Same for GA Tech.

College football is about regional rivalries and working or going to school with friends of a different stripe. It’s about where you do your college and your alma mater. It’s about the guys you sit next to on M,W,F representing your school in athletics on Saturday, not about money. That’s college ball, or was college ball. Now it’s all screwed up. Sad.
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It’s pretty awful now. The start of NIL and unlimited free agency happening in parallel to Tech football absolutely tanking in parallel to uga rising up have all made college football a very insignificant part of my life. I used to watch Gameday, the Tech game, and would be up late watching whatever arbitrary 10pm PAC4 matchup that was being broadcast. I really don’t even know what time this weeks Tech game is at anymore (lol jk, everyone knows it’s probably at 12pm). I have watched the CFP sparingly the last several years and have missed the national championship game for a few years now. So while chasing all this “TV money” makes sense on paper right now, who is going to be watching these games on TV 3,5,10 years from now? In all seriousness, if you hand pick the 40 chosen schools to be in the two mega conferences, there’s going to be widespread apathy from everyone else. I can promise you I personally will be totally out of Tech isnt in the major conferences. I have never enjoyed high school sports, and this will be no different for me. I am not complaining or whining, but I think represent many and possibly the majority of people who are potentially going to be on the outside looking in. The only reason I’ve kept paying for DirecTV is for the Braves and Tech. If it comes down to just the Braves, well that’ll be easy.
 
TechRush said:
I wonder what the mass exodus of transfers will look like for Cal, Stanford, Oregon St, Washington St. Talk about devastating.
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I really don't see any athlete attending Stanford wanting to transfer out because of some ööööing TV deal.
 
gtphd said:
I keep hearing this. What marquee team does the XII have? They added Cincinnati, Houston, and UCF so now it’s a powerhouse conference?

They did a good job not folding, it they’re objectively still worse than the ACC.
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A lot of it is perception. Big 12 can at least be aggressive. The GOR has the ACC playing defense, indefinitely.
 
Two teams let the ACC down in football: Miami and Georgia Tech. FSU’s demise didn’t help either.

We need to find a way to the top of college football and all things will work out.
 
midatlantech said:
Two teams let the ACC down in football: Miami and Georgia Tech. FSU’s demise didn’t help either.

We need to find a way to the top of college football and all things will work out.
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Yeah, and if the ACC's ESPN payout wasn't so much less than the BIG or SEC I'm sure we'd all rebound fairly quickly, but NIL and all the conference shake up that will be more difficult. Throwing more NIL money and telling recruits ACC schools might get relegated to MACtion certainlu doesn't help us or other ACC school recruiting.
 
murrayjacket said:
I could definitely dig a GT, FSU, Clemson, Miami pod in the Big Ten.
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Sure if we could get easier draws from the other pods. Would need to shake up the cupcake pod in IL/IN and/or have some sort of scoring with SOS to determine draw or "champions".
 
OSU and Mich have to play every year. MSU and Mich have to play every year. But you don’t put OSU/PSU/Mich/MSU in the same pod. Probably MSU/UM/OSU/NW. Probably leave out Miami to hold a slot for ND.

Why Miami and not GT? Because of how the B1G makes money. It is about states and not matchups. Between GT, FSU, Clem, and the B1G alumni in GA, you can get that cable deal. Miami doesn’t add anything FSU + B1G retirees already deliver in FL.

Why ND snd not Miami if IN and FL are already wrapped up? Because the matchups.
 
cyptomcat said:
He just drew some circles on the map. Don't overthink it.

It's unlikely to happen anyway. SEC would probably wanna pick from ACC too, so not all these teams end up in BIG.
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Of course, but it's it's off-season so plenty to go crazy about before toe meets leather.
 
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