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verdi said:
Big Ten taking Oregon dispels the “academic prestige” meme. 93% acceptance rate and ACT/SAT optional.
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Not really, Oregon is still an AAU school. That could be something in our favor if the Big Ten starts discussing choices between GT, FSU, and/or Clemson.
 
Please remember what this is about......In 2024 negotiations will start on the new CFP playoff media rights package. The package will start in 2026. It is expected to bring in more than 2.2 Billion $$. Right now all of the conferences share in the money equally. These conferences are moving so they don't have to share equally. The SEC isn't going to sit by and let the Big10 have more teams and more spaces at the table than they do. Hopefully we will be on that train as it will mean the end of Georgia Tech sports if we get left out. See Cal, Stanford, Washington State and Oregon State......

Far larger paydays beckon once the current deal with ESPN expires at the end of the 2025 season. With an expanded playoff now planned for 2026 at the latest, some executives and consultants believe that the next deal, which might include an array of broadcast partners, could yield nearly $2 billion in annual television revenue.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...on=CompanionColumn&contentCollection=Trending
If those forecasts prove accurate, the playoff would have the largest annual television rights deal in college sports. The N.C.A.A.’s Division I men’s basketball tournament, a 67-game showcase that underpins the bonanza known as March Madness, is expected to average $1.1 billion in television money a year starting later this decade.

Also, the Pac12 can't add from the Mountain West for a couple of years. All of those schools agreed to a $200 million dollar exit fee if they leave over the next couple of years.
 
Here is a helpful chart.....
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It’s clear that the contract the ACC needs to look to end is the one with ESPN. We still have a marketable product (we win more than B1G and have bigger markets than sec) and look for a new broadcast deal with Fox, NBC (maybe roll in somehow with ND), or CBS.

ESPN is holding the ACC over a barrel and destroying the ability of its member schools to compete all while upping the payouts to our competitors. It’s really unconscionable when you think back to how ESPN dragged its feet on the ACC network while putting SEC network in overdrive.
 
So if you are the SEC what do you do.....nothing? Maybe you try to match the Big 10 and one up them by adding 8 schools from the ACC without destroying the regional makeup. ESPN wouldn't have to pay the approximately $450 million a year to the ACC because it would cease to exist. That $450 million could then go to the SEC for an average of $55 million a year per school added or right in line with what the SEC is paying now to current members. It would put the SEC in prime position for the upcoming CFP media rights deal.

Who would they add.....no private schools as they have expressly avoided them in their recent additions and only large state institutions.

1) Florida State
2) Georgia Tech
3) Clemson
4) UNC
5) NC State
6) Virginia
7) Va Tech
8) Louisville

I would divide the SEC into 4 - 6 team divisions
North
Kentucky
Louisville
Tennessee
Vandy
Virginia
Virginia Tech

Atlantic
UNC
NC State
Clemson
South Carolina
Georgia
Georgia Tech

Sun
Florida
Florida State
Auburn
Alabama
Ole Miss
Miss St

West
Texas
Texas AM
Oklahoma
Missouri
LSU
Arkansas

I would have them play an 11 game league schedule ...play everyone in your division every year and rotate the other divisions so you play everyone in a four year period.

The rest of the ACC would be left to fend for themselves just like the 4 PAC12 schools.
Duke
Wake
BC
Miami
Syracuse
Pitt
 
mookie43 said:
Here is a helpful chart.....
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The big Xii’s deal only runs for 2 more seasons. So it could get massively larger (since there’s one less Conference to pay) or they could run into a PAC-12 situation where no one can afford a massive deal (or wants to pay a lot for Cincinnati vs. Kansas or Texas Tech vs. Iowa State - who is even their big draw school? BYU?)

I could even see the SEC and B1G run their own championship and split the money. Then the XII and ACC start a second championship in effectively a separate league. That will pull off FSU and Clemson if they haven’t already left.
 
gtphd said:
The big Xii’s deal only runs for 2 more seasons. So it could get massively larger (since there’s one less Conference to pay) or they could run into a PAC-12 situation where no one can afford a massive deal (or wants to pay a lot for Cincinnati vs. Kansas or Texas Tech vs. Iowa State - who is even their big draw school? BYU?)

I could even see the SEC and B1G run their own championship and split the money. Then the XII and ACC start a second championship in effectively a separate league. That will pull off FSU and Clemson if they haven’t already left.
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It runs though 2031.......
 
smokey_wasp said:


ACC a day late and a dollar short again? Apologies if repost
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ACC was never going to get Oregon and Washington over B1G, so what did you want them to do? Cal and Stanford are the options, and I’d guess there’s a good chance we end up with those two if the numbers are worth it going into California with the ACC network and the night time slot for ESPN.
 
savbandjacket said:
It’s clear that the contract the ACC needs to look to end is the one with ESPN. We still have a marketable product (we win more than B1G and have bigger markets than sec) and look for a new broadcast deal with Fox, NBC (maybe roll in somehow with ND), or CBS.

ESPN is holding the ACC over a barrel and destroying the ability of its member schools to compete all while upping the payouts to our competitors. It’s really unconscionable when you think back to how ESPN dragged its feet on the ACC network while putting SEC network in overdrive.
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If the contract with ESPN is ended then FSU and Clemson would leave immediately, wouldn't they?

I'm sure the ACC as-constituted could make a better deal than it has now, but I don't think it would approach what FSU and Clemson (and probably a few other schools) could earn in the Big X/SEC.
 
MidnightJacket said:
ACC was never going to get Oregon and Washington over B1G, so what did you want them to do? Cal and Stanford are the options, and I’d guess there’s a good chance we end up with those two if the numbers are worth it going into California with the ACC network and the night time slot for ESPN.
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WVU, UCF and Cincinnati would have been much more valuable to the ACC than Cal and Stanford would ever be simply due to proximity. But we have our academic and basketball high horses to maintain (even though we let commuter school Louisville in) so we let that opportunity pass.
 
The ACC is done … if over half the teams leave doesn’t that cancel the big exit dollars? Well … I believe between the Big Ten and the SEC more than half will be poached, I just hope we end up in the SEC. I just don’t see Bobby Dodd packed with us playing Wisconsin.
 
I think the ACC will hold on.

Big 12 as currently, I guess next year, not currently, comprised has not one game that moves any meter. TX/OK was all they had. They have a couple of basketball schools now, but as we know basketball doesn't really mean much.

ACC does still have historically relevant football teams and rivalries. ACC needs to win something this year and remind folks.

I don't think even TV execs want there to be only 2 leagues...they lose what little leverage they have left.. maybe too late.

I find myself giving less of a öööö either way really.
 
How many teams are going to be in the B1G and SEC? 20? B1G has 18 and a spot saved for Notre Dame. You think they are saving a spot for us? The SEC is not going to take us. Cherish the next couple of years. I think we are going to either end up in the Big 12 with the other misfit toys or a league where or yearly pod rivals are going to be Ga St and KSU.
 
TechRush said:
How do league and TV execs think that they are going to get more viewers by casting out good teams? Once Tech is out, I will be too.
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I imagine it's been considered, but I'm also sure all the current power brokers couldn't give a öööö. Short term profit at the expense of longevity is the next person's problem. They see the opportunity to make money now, future product and consumer be damned.
 
GoldenIsle said:
The ACC is done … if over half the teams leave doesn’t that cancel the big exit dollars? Well … I believe between the Big Ten and the SEC more than half will be poached, I just hope we end up in the SEC. I just don’t see Bobby Dodd packed with us playing Wisconsin.
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What 8 teams make sense for the SEC and BigTen to pick up? This makes no sense.
 
BranMart said:
I think the ACC will hold on.

Big 12 as currently, I guess next year, not currently, comprised has not one game that moves any meter. TX/OK was all they had. They have a couple of basketball schools now, but as we know basketball doesn't really mean much.

ACC does still have historically relevant football teams and rivalries. ACC needs to win something this year and remind folks.

I don't think even TV execs want there to be only 2 leagues...they lose what little leverage they have left.. maybe too late.

I find myself giving less of a öööö either way really.
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Unless ESPN makes a really bold move on the GOR I would agree that the ACC will hold on. Without ESPN making a play for Clemson/FSU to the SEC, those two schools are stuck in the ACC until further notice regardless the noise they make. The GOR buyout is just too big.

The BIG 12 may be stronger than you think. TCU played for the championship last year. Baylor is good and improving. Kansas State is very good and improving and the rest of the league is very competitive with any one of those teams potentially putting together a deep run. The future looks very good for the BIG 12 with the additions of Arizona, ASU, and Utah.

As a general point, people forget how quickly programs can emerge from the shadows and become formidable players for prominent buzz. TCU is a good example. Yes, they got smoked in the championship game, but no one was talking about them before last year and now they are a "hot topic".

The ACC takes way too much grief for football reputation. Georgia Tech will be back. Virginia Tech will likely be back at some point. UNC has been steadily improving and getting attention. Clemson competes at the highest level. FSU has improved though I still believe they have a lot to prove. The league is competitive.

IMHO, the ACC needs to stay a regional conference at least in the sense they stay on the east coast. If there are good programs that can be added they need to find them and add them.

As far as the broadcast rights go, Apple made it pretty clear they aren't going to save anyone. YouTubeTV/Google and Amazon haven't yet been meaningfully involved in conference realignment talk. They may yet step into the fray but I wouldn't expect them to insert themselves until the ESPN/Disney situation evolves. I still don't think people realize how bad of a spot Disney has put itself in.
 
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