Expansion

aeromech said:
Using that logic, Clemson weakens USC, FSU weakens UF, and GT weakens UGA. I don't think that logic holds up when there are so many states with 2 SEC teams. Pitt really depends on whether the SEC wants to go that far north. I don't think they take Pitt or Louisville without it being in a bigger package; but I don't see them taking Duke, WF, BC, Cuse, NCState even in a package deal. I guess it comes down to whether they are forced to take one of those teams to break the ACC GOR.
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The SEC would be better off without Vandy and MSU. Auburn brings value due to their ability to compete at the top level periodically. ATM got in first, but TX is a big enough state to support two teams.

FSU falls in the ATM category.
Clemson falls in the Auburn category. Honestly, the SEC would be better off taking Clemson and booting USC.

The two states where the SEC didn’t have the premier team is USC which was a new expansion and ATM which was also a new expansion. An argument could be made briefly after Tech left, but that was a different situation.

The support Pitt gets in PA is less than Tech’s support in GA.

Now, if they had to do it to break the gor, maybe but adding two unwanted teams to the conference is a pretty high price to pay.
 
Someone maybe has already arrived here elsewhere in this thread, but I heard a pretty good idea and wanted to share. The B1G should add two more west coast schools to get to 20. Then they should setup an east and west division geographically, maybe call them something like Pacific 10 and Big 10. Then they could have the conference championship at the Rose Bowl.
 
WracerX said:
The SEC would be better off without Vandy and MSU. Auburn brings value due to their ability to compete at the top level periodically. ATM got in first, but TX is a big enough state to support two teams.

FSU falls in the ATM category.
Clemson falls in the Auburn category. Honestly, the SEC would be better off taking Clemson and booting USC.

The two states where the SEC didn’t have the premier team is USC which was a new expansion and ATM which was also a new expansion. An argument could be made briefly after Tech left, but that was a different situation.

The support Pitt gets in PA is less than Tech’s support in GA.

Now, if they had to do it to break the gor, maybe but adding two unwanted teams to the conference is a pretty high price to pay.
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The SEC will keep Vandy and MSU because of baseball. Missouri on the other hand, doesn't bring any value whatsoever to the conference.
 
georgiatech22 said:
The SEC will keep Vandy and MSU because of baseball. Missouri on the other hand, doesn't bring any value whatsoever to the conference.
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Didn't Missouri beat the gaggers one year to keep them out of the SEC championship game? I think they should get a pass in this round.
 
TechRush said:
What is the break even year for a team like Clemson and FSU to break the GOR? That's the lifespan of the ACC.
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This is what everyone keeps missing over and over. And why even if it costs a bit more, we need to pay it to move first. Because GT isn't a place that has the leverage to make a reactive move successfully.
 
gtphd said:
There’s always going to be a place for the ACC.

The way things are shaping up, you’ll have 3 tiers of conferences: the $100 million SEC and B1G, the $50 million ACC and XII, and the $10 million everyone else. The B1G and SEC will just play their own conference teams and the two champions will play for the national championship. XII and ACC champs will play for tier 2 champions, and the est will form some sort of playoff.

Its no different than FBS vs FCS today, just with more divisions.
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This is my thinking, too. There are three tiers now in college football: the factories, the good programs, and the programs that fall down the list. They are just scattered through all conferences. So, now the top programs seem to be coalescing into two conferences. Why? For money. But those teams could always have played w/o realignment. It's the collective that is ruling the money contracts. They won't play each other often at all in a 20+ team conference.

So then, it truly is just about money the collective generates. The game is being ripped apart for the sake of money. Rivalries lost, geographical foes abandoned, fans unable to follow their team. Why? So that teams make more money? Sure. But wait, guess who else makes more money... ESPN. That organization is ruining college football so they can make more money. Not a fan of ESPN.
 
stinger78 said:
This is my thinking, too. There are three tiers now in college football: the factories, the good programs, and the programs that fall down the list. They are just scattered through all conferences. So, now the top programs seem to be coalescing into two conferences. Why? For money. But those teams could always have played w/o realignment. It's the collective that is ruling the money contracts. They won't play each other often at all in a 20+ team conference.

So then, it truly is just about money the collective generates. The game is being ripped apart for the sake of money. Rivalries lost, geographical foes abandoned, fans unable to follow their team. Why? So that teams make more money? Sure. But wait, guess who else makes more money... ESPN. That organization is ruining college football so they can make more money. Not a fan of ESPN.
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Didn't someone suggest that Elon Musk should buy college football?

If not, then Elon Musk should buy college football.

Wait... I found it @theStingT said it first.
 
Buzzilla said:
Didn't someone suggest that Elon Musk should buy college football?

If not, then Elon Musk should buy college football.

Wait... I found it @theStingT said it first.
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Elon is a South African. I bet he doesn't give a single öööö about CFB and probably looks at it like it is a money losing öööö show.

It would be neat for him to move in and tell all the teams, including Bamalama and UGAg, that they get $20 million max from the deal and they can earn their own money otherwise.
 
THWG247 said:
I actually think BIG might target us first out of the ACC, Atlanta is the #6 media market in the country and a top destination where BIG alumni relocate to. Miami is #18, Greensboro #47, Tallahassee is #105
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UNC and F$U reach every corner of their respective states. You have to add all the media markets in NC and FL to get a better representation of what they bring to the table. Miami is/was very strong in SE FL and had a nationwide following of guys who wear wife beater t-shirts and gold chains. Hopefully those fans will go extinct over the next few years.

I like to think we bring a good % of the ATL media market....but I tend to look at things through white & gold colored glasses. The B1G would do very well to get teams in FL(2), GA, NC, VA.....might as well get Clemson to make it contiguous and get to 24 teams. If they want to go to 26 teams, add NCSU and VPI&SU. If they want 28 teams, add Louisville and Syracuse. BC & Duke get you to 30. Sorry Pitt & Wake.
 
If we need 8 to leave to break the GOR, why not have 8 leave together to create new conference. No need to join another. Negotiate own new TV deal. GOR is eliminated. Partner with CBS/CBSSports/Paramount/Paramount+/Pluto TV. We get live channels for games. Paramount+ to have stream anytime all games library. PlutoTV can have dedicated channels to broadcast all games that are at the same times. It's a free service so everybody can watch every game anywhere.

Split the 8 into groups of 4. Those 4 play twice every season. Home and home. That's 8 games. 4 OOC to get to 12. Winner of each pool plays in the championship game.
 
killerB said:
If we need 8 to leave to break the GOR, why not have 8 leave together to create new conference. No need to join another. Negotiate own new TV deal. GOR is eliminated. Partner with CBS/CBSSports/Paramount/Paramount+/Pluto TV. We get live channels for games. Paramount+ to have stream anytime all games library. PlutoTV can have dedicated channels to broadcast all games that are at the same times. It's a free service so everybody can watch every game anywhere.

Split the 8 into groups of 4. Those 4 play twice every season. Home and home. That's 8 games. 4 OOC to get to 12. Winner of each pool plays in the championship game.
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Thumbs up for the smaller conference, but not the home/away series. That would be bad TV.
 
Beeski said:
UNC and F$U reach every corner of their respective states. You have to add all the media markets in NC and FL to get a better representation of what they bring to the table. Miami is/was very strong in SE FL and had a nationwide following of guys who wear wife beater t-shirts and gold chains. Hopefully those fans will go extinct over the next few years.

I like to think we bring a good % of the ATL media market....but I tend to look at things through white & gold colored glasses. The B1G would do very well to get teams in FL(2), GA, NC, VA.....might as well get Clemson to make it contiguous and get to 24 teams. If they want to go to 26 teams, add NCSU and VPI&SU. If they want 28 teams, add Louisville and Syracuse. BC & Duke get you to 30. Sorry Pitt & Wake.
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GT value to the B1g is due to how they generate revenue. Are there enough eyeballs to force the cable companies to up the per subscriber payout. I think GT+the B1G alumni in Atlanta would be enough to work for the cable companies. FSU could also pull that off alone, but FSU + B1G retirees would work.

Clemson could pull SC, but SC isn’t a very big state.
 
WracerX said:
Thumbs up for the smaller conference, but not the home/away series. That would be bad TV.
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Not sure if it'd be bad tv or not, but since I'm making it up, I'm putting FSU and GT in this conference and guaranteeing I get to see GT in tally every year. But imagine knowing you get FSU, Clemson, UM, and UNC every year at home.
 
killerB said:
Not sure if it'd be bad tv or not, but since I'm making it up, I'm putting FSU and GT in this conference and guaranteeing I get to see GT in tally every year. But imagine knowing you get FSU, Clemson, UM, and UNC every year at home.
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Lot of risk to rack up two losses there. Plus, it cuts down on the variety of teams you see.
 
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