Expansion

stinger78 said:
One of the ACC's big TV issues is 4 of the teams are in the same state and three of those in the same metro area. That cannot help our TV contract.
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Well, that’s only half the problem. 2/4 (Wake, Duke) even when having a good run of success have small stadiums. To Wake’s credit, they do fill the stands. Even when Duke is good (ex. last year) they still get no fan support. NCSU is the closest thing to a B1G or SEC program from a fan support level. UNC is perplexing. They should have no problem filling the stands win or lose.
 
CiraldoForever said:
There is a reason that I ended that post with "I Like Tech." When my Daddy started taking me to Tech games in the late 1950s, many people wore white buttons with gold writing on them that simply said, "I Like Tech." It always stuck with me.
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Was this a play on I Like Ike, Eisenhower’s slogan?
 
ClubSeats said:
Was this a play on I Like Ike, Eisenhower’s slogan?
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I don't know for sure. I was only about 8 at the time. But, since somebody was kind enough to post a photo of an "I Like Ike" button, I have thought about it. It does make sense to me that Tech fans might have gotten the idea from the Eisenhower button. I just remember those "I Like Tech" buttons. I can see them now.
 
I'm okay with the ACC testing the waters and standing pat for now. We pretty much know where we're at for the time being while every other conference has huge question marks about their future. The Bis 12 didn't help themselves with their additions. There is nothing they did that puts them in any better position that the ACC.

The B1G and $EC could be interesting and will be the test. Imagine a scenario where Oregon/USC/UCLA/Washington come in and kick ass. As for the $EC, Saban calls it quits (or worse). Bad Haircut Guy sees more major traffic incidents and is shown the door. aTm suddenly finds their big boy pants and joins UT and OU at beating the hell out of everyone. Heads will explode. Stranger things have happened.
 
clapper said:
I'm okay with the ACC testing the waters and standing pat for now. We pretty much know where we're at for the time being while every other conference has huge question marks about their future. The Bis 12 didn't help themselves with their additions. There is nothing they did that puts them in any better position that the ACC.

The B1G and $EC could be interesting and will be the test. Imagine a scenario where Oregon/USC/UCLA/Washington come in and kick ass. As for the $EC, Saban calls it quits (or worse). Bad Haircut Guy sees more major traffic incidents and is shown the door. aTm suddenly finds their big boy pants and joins UT and OU at beating the hell out of everyone. Heads will explode. Stranger things have happened.
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The B12's best case is that they are close to where they were before losing OU and UTA - money-wise. Those are two big money programs, but adding BYU, UCF, Cincy, and Houston this season and Arizona, ASU, Colorado, and Utah in 2024, they may be near if not better off. They still have a footprint in OK and TX, though they lost the two BIG dogs, but they still have OSU in OK and BU (Waco), TT (Lubbock), TCU (Dallas/Ft. Worth), and Houston (Houston) in TX. Additionally, they gained footholds in Florida, Ohio, Utah, Arizona, and Colorado. They may actually end up with a pretty decent TV deal.

The P12 is in the pooper (kind of like the ACC if things go south here). There is no one left out there to draw from. SDSU and Fresno State make sense, as does Boise State and maybe Nevada(?), and maaaaybe Hawaii(??). If they added all five of those, they would have Stanford, Cal, Oregon State, Wash State, Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State, Nevada, and Hawaii. That's 9 teams and a decent enough conference, but it's not going to draw close to what the retooled B12 will. The key is how Stanford and Cal, two pretty high-brow research institutions, will like living in the neighborhood with a bunch of state U's. Not sure about that.
 
TechRush said:
The only reason the Big 12 is in a better position than the ACC is because they have a conference of teams that no one else wants. The conference of misfit toys if you will.
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That’s 100% false. Baylor, TCU, KSU, Oklahoma State, BYU, Utah, UCF, Cincinnati have all accomplished more on the field compared to any ACC school not named Clemson recently. Plus, they have the fan support week in and week out.

By your logic no one outside of FSU, Clemson and UNC are really on the B1G or SEC’s radar due to the overall state of the ACC. Pitt and Wake have been very solid programs as of late and get no mention. The rest of the ACC are jekyll & hyde. You just don’t know what you’re going to get with NCSU, Miami, GT, etc on down.

What programs like Duke and Kansas (both not mentioned) have on their side is a hoops blue blood status. That gives Duke a better shot of actually getting a B1G offer over other ACC schools.
 
USCJacket said:
That’s 100% false. Baylor, TCU, KSU, Oklahoma State, BYU, Utah, UCF, Cincinnati have all accomplished more on the field compared to any ACC school not named Clemson recently. Plus, they have the fan support week in and week out.

By your logic no one outside of FSU, Clemson and UNC are really on the B1G or SEC’s radar due to the overall state of the ACC. Pitt and Wake have been very solid programs as of late and get no mention. The rest of the ACC are jekyll & hyde. You just don’t know what you’re going to get with NCSU, Miami, GT, etc on down.

What programs like Duke and Kansas (both not mentioned) have on their side is a hoops blue blood status. That gives Duke a better shot of actually getting a B1G offer over other ACC schools.
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USCJacket said:
That’s 100% false. Baylor, TCU, KSU, Oklahoma State, BYU, Utah, UCF, Cincinnati have all accomplished more on the field compared to any ACC school not named Clemson recently. Plus, they have the fan support week in and week out.

By your logic no one outside of FSU, Clemson and UNC are really on the B1G or SEC’s radar due to the overall state of the ACC. Pitt and Wake have been very solid programs as of late and get no mention. The rest of the ACC are jekyll & hyde. You just don’t know what you’re going to get with NCSU, Miami, GT, etc on down.

What programs like Duke and Kansas (both not mentioned) have on their side is a hoops blue blood status. That gives Duke a better shot of actually getting a B1G offer over other ACC schools.
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Fan Support:
Baylor 45,463 avg attendance
TCU. 46,562
KSU. 51,165
OKST 54,735
BYU. 59,674
Utah. 52,057
UCF. 41,542
Cincy. 38,117

Stop blowing the Big 12 up into something they aren't. Those on par with mid-tier ACC schools like Pitt (54,710), NCST (55,924), Miami (54,964), North Carolina (47,933), and Louisville (41,692). Our historical average pre-Jeff was in the 45-49k range. Hell, Cincy only outdrew BC by 3k per game and BC sucks.
 
05GTCorndog said:
Fan Support:
Baylor 45,463 avg attendance
TCU. 46,562
KSU. 51,165
OKST 54,735
BYU. 59,674
Utah. 52,057
UCF. 41,542
Cincy. 38,117

Stop blowing the Big 12 up into something they aren't. Those on par with mid-tier ACC schools like Pitt (54,710), NCST (55,924), Miami (54,964), North Carolina (47,933), and Louisville (41,692). Our historical average pre-Jeff was in the 45-49k range. Hell, Cincy only outdrew BC by 3k per game and BC sucks.
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No way Miami draws 55k per game. Certainly not in person attendance.
 
05GTCorndog said:
Fan Support:
Baylor 45,463 avg attendance
TCU. 46,562
KSU. 51,165
OKST 54,735
BYU. 59,674
Utah. 52,057
UCF. 41,542
Cincy. 38,117

Stop blowing the Big 12 up into something they aren't. Those on par with mid-tier ACC schools like Pitt (54,710), NCST (55,924), Miami (54,964), North Carolina (47,933), and Louisville (41,692). Our historical average pre-Jeff was in the 45-49k range. Hell, Cincy only outdrew BC by 3k per game and BC sucks.
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You left out the stadium sizes of the B12 schools.

Baylor stadium capacity = 45,140
BYU stadium capacity = 63,470
TCU stadium capacity = 45,000
Cincy stadium capacity = 40,000
UofH stadium capacity = 40,000
ISU stadium capacity = 61,500
KU stadium capacity = 50,250
KSU stadium capacity = 50,000
OSU stadium capacity = 55,509
TT stadium capacity = 60,454
UCF stadium capacity = 45,301
WVU stadium capacity = 60,000
Utah stadium capacity = 51,444

Baylor, TCU, KSU, Utah etc all averaged above max capacity based on the numbers you posted.

You can certainly disagree with the potential future of the B12, but to ignore the recent success of the teams added (Cincy, Utah, BYU) seems short sided.

It’s on the ACC schools to flip the national script at the moment. As Wes Durham pointed out yesterday FSU beating LSU, UNC beating South Carolina week 1 along with having a winning record in other early season matchup’s like VT-Purdue, Miami-TAMU, Pitt-Cincy, GT-Ole Miss, etc will really help silence the negative noise surrounding the future of the league as it relates to expansion.
 
USCJacket said:
That’s 100% false. Baylor, TCU, KSU, Oklahoma State, BYU, Utah, UCF, Cincinnati have all accomplished more on the field compared to any ACC school not named Clemson recently. Plus, they have the fan support week in and week out.

By your logic no one outside of FSU, Clemson and UNC are really on the B1G or SEC’s radar due to the overall state of the ACC. Pitt and Wake have been very solid programs as of late and get no mention. The rest of the ACC are jekyll & hyde. You just don’t know what you’re going to get with NCSU, Miami, GT, etc on down.

What programs like Duke and Kansas (both not mentioned) have on their side is a hoops blue blood status. That gives Duke a better shot of actually getting a B1G offer over other ACC schools.
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You could literally add Cal and Stanford to that group and they’d be the most important schools on the list …UCF? :lol2:
 
TechRush said:
The only reason the Big 12 is in a better position than the ACC is because they have a conference of teams that no one else wants. The conference of misfit toys if you will.
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They are indeed, but they play some pretty good football at times. I do think we've been handled by Fresno State, Utah, and Arizona a few times in the last 30 years or less. Sometimes misfit toys can coalesce into a pretty good bunch. I think we need to wait and see on this one. It just might work. The problem for the us is the B12 has scoured up just about all the decent "misfits" from Arizona to Florida to Ohio and back, and left no one else for the P12 and ACC, should it come to that.
 
stinger78 said:
They are indeed, but they play some pretty good football at times. I do think we've been handled by Fresno State, Utah, and Arizona a few times in the last 30 years or less. Sometimes misfit toys can coalesce into a pretty good bunch. I think we need to wait and see on this one. It just might work. The problem for the us is the B12 has scoured up just about all the decent "misfits" from Arizona to Florida to Ohio and back, and left no one else for the P12 and ACC, should it come to that.
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I was not trying to imply that they are bad teams. I was implying that the SEC and B1G already cherry picked the teams they wanted. They don't have a Clemson or FSU. They are just lucky that they got raided first. After the ACC is raided who will be left for them to pick up? Tulane and Memphis? Stanford and Cal or SDSU? SMU?
 
I heard that a couple of Ohio State FB games will be on the ‘Peacock’ in addition to other conference games. NBCs pay network. Their fans aren’t happy lol. Part of that mega TV deal with Fox, CBS and NBC.
 
gt9589 said:
I heard that a couple of Ohio State FB games will be on the ‘Peacock’ in addition to other conference games. NBCs pay network. Their fans aren’t happy lol. Part of that mega TV deal with Fox, CBS and NBC.
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I think they'll see more and more of that as the networks try to maximize the spread of all that "good inventory" across the TV media.
 
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