Expansion

JJacket said:
Good God, is this what we should expect from our fans? Pathetic ööööing loser.
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If I am such a "pathetic ööööing loser", then please feel free to ignore my posts. I think we'd all be better off. Reverting to name calling on a message board rather than offering anything constructive to the conversation is what is truly pathetic here. You have literally offered nothing of value to this discussion. Just a heaping of clown emojis and personal insults.

At least your tagline is accurate.
 
donsue said:
The ACC has been down the road several times with the illusion that adding small, private schools in so called “major TV markets” will bring viewers and dollars.
It didn’t move the needle then, and it won’t now.
The ACC has no realistic path to fix what keeps it from competing with the SEC and BIGX. The most sensible path is communicate the school’s interest of really trying to compete at a high level, and if the ACC is coming apart, don’t be a company player at all costs, but align with the programs that have similar interests.
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This is spot on. Miami has been a huge disappointment other than 1-2 good seasons. Back hen, this was really a smart logical step taking Miami, the biggest most recent national champion contender and like them or not, they have a huge national fanbase. And the ACC as a conference was a lot stronger when Miami came on too. The fact they have done so awful for so long is mindboggling. Quite candidly as much as I hate to admit it, just as absurd as the mutts going 40 years without a title. Some schools just simply have to make 1 right hire. Give bama credit, as much as we laughed at them from 92 until 2008, they were spot on in having a revolving door of coaches until they found a winner.

BC has done nothing. Syracuse is a shell of what they were in the 90's. Pitt just simply doesn't fit with what was once a southern conference. I really don't know who the ACC could add that would bring interest. Stanford and Cal don't have huge fan bases and I cannot possibly see them being a culture fit with the south. I remember when UT played Cal several years ago, Cal had students living in the trees because they were going to tear the trees down. They were going to tear the trees down because they needed to fix the stadium to keep it from collapsing in an earthquake and those friggin tree huggers still picked the trees over people.

Best thing for the top 8 ACC teams would be to terminate the GOR, we could all make more money in the B1G, SEC or Big XII. It's stupid that ESPN can't see this and would just allow the conference to fail but I guess it may be cheaper to pay 8 of us elsewhere than to keep paying Wake and BC.

FTR, I see the 8 teams as FSU, Miami, GT, Clemson, UNC, UVA, VT and Pitt. Louisville, NCST and Duke BB probably are of value too, so there are at least 10 schools that could make more money leaving the ACC. Cuse, BC, and Wake are just dead weight.
 
Buzzilla said:
If I am such a "pathetic ööööing loser", then please feel free to ignore my posts. I think we'd all be better off. Reverting to name calling on a message board rather than offering anything constructive to the conversation is what is truly pathetic here. You have literally offered nothing of value to this discussion. Just a heaping of clown emojis and personal insults.

At least your tagline is accurate.
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Wanting ööööing Liberty or Appalachian State in our league is something you should be called names over. It is stupidity. May as well include UTC and damn MTSU while you're being stupid.
 
gtphd said:
And poor conference performance. It’s like NATO where everyone was happy to join then refused to put in their dues (including Tech).

But the response isn’t adding directional Kentucky programs. It’s playing defense to hold Clemson and FSU, pressuring the current programs to invest to improve the conference, then jumping on the next big opportunity.
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We made a NY6 bowl and a top 10 finish during the playoff era. Not great, but puts us in the top 3 of the ACC. Not sure about the Big12, I only remember Oklahoma doing better. PAC, not sure Wash/Ore maybe Utah.

Don’t let the clown’s ööööstain distract you, we have potential and a reasonable track record.
 
Buzzilla said:
If I am such a "pathetic ööööing loser", then please feel free to ignore my posts. I think we'd all be better off. Reverting to name calling on a message board rather than offering anything constructive to the conversation is what is truly pathetic here. You have literally offered nothing of value to this discussion. Just a heaping of clown emojis and personal insults.

At least your tagline is accurate.
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Buzzilla said:
I would first find out if there is any interest from current Big 12 members Central Florida, West Virginia and Cincinnati. These programs are solid, provide traditional regional rivalries for current ACC members, have high levels of fan support, and provide good TV markets., especially Cincinnati and UCF. I think these programs could be very interested in being in the ACC even without FSU and Clemson. Regionality matters and they could very well take the opportunity if given.

Tulane is rising, has excellent academics, Top 50 national university by US News & World Report, and has New Orleans TV market and regional interest. They have a $2 Billion endowment. Road trips to New Orleans would be fun. The football team finished 12-2 ranked #16 in the country last year. The program is on the rise and is definitely worth considering for future expansion. Excellent opportunity for regional competition and developing rivalries. I think Louisiana is as far west as the ACC should go.

Navy Tradition rich football, national audience, service academy with top notch academics, Regional competition and rivalries.

Temple. Top 50 public school ranking. Philadelphia metro TV market. The program is down for some of the same reasons Georgia Tech has been down. We share some history. Temple has the potential to be a very successful program. Excellent regional competition and rivalries.

There are others. I don't have the time to do exhaustive analysis of them all but to be sure there are options that are regional and will add to the appeal and ultimately income of the conference in time.
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Regionality doesn't matter as much as money. I don't see UCF, WVU, or Cincy having interest in the ACC unless the ACC can promise similar money.
 
donsue said:
The ACC has been down the road several times with the illusion that adding small, private schools in so called “major TV markets” will bring viewers and dollars.
It didn’t move the needle then, and it won’t now.
The ACC has no realistic path to fix what keeps it from competing with the SEC and BIGX. The most sensible path is communicate the school’s interest of really trying to compete at a high level, and if the ACC is coming apart, don’t be a company player at all costs, but align with the programs that have similar interests.
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This graphic I believe supports your point.

 
The acc played and continues to play expansion checkers while the sec and B1G plays chess. There are a few delay moves available, but checkmate is around the corner.
 
savbandjacket said:
The acc played and continues to play expansion checkers while the sec and B1G plays chess. There are a few delay moves available, but checkmate is around the corner.
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I agree, conferences named after oceans are on the same path as the dinosaurs. Either go extinct or evolve into birds.
 
Buzzilla said:
This graphic I believe supports your point.

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What drives the UNC versus NCST and Duke numbers? I would expect them to be the same.

Also Stanford and Cal should essentially be the same.
 
aeromech said:
Regionality doesn't matter as much as money. I don't see UCF, WVU, or Cincy having interest in the ACC unless the ACC can promise similar money.
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Those teams are all under the BIG12 GOR, they ain’t going anywhere
 
coit said:
What drives the UNC versus NCST and Duke numbers? I would expect them to be the same.

Also Stanford and Cal should essentially be the same.
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UNC must be picking up part of Greensboro and part of Raleigh. NCSt all of Raleigh. Duke more of Greensboro, less of Raleigh?
 
WracerX said:
We made a NY6 bowl and a top 10 finish during the playoff era. Not great, but puts us in the top 3 of the ACC. Not sure about the Big12, I only remember Oklahoma doing better. PAC, not sure Wash/Ore maybe Utah.

Don’t let the clown’s ööööstain distract you, we have potential and a reasonable track record.
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Let’s face the truth - NY6 bowl games outside the semi final games are worthless scrimmages. Until fans wake up and realize we are being played by the power brokers they will continue to laugh at us and throw us crumbs. Thankfully, we finally have enough smart people with money who are slowly wrangling away the power from the NCAA and the individual conferences who will force a fair legit playoff system because they actually understand that the more fanbases with hope will bring in more money. Our current system is all about protecting the big boys and keeping the underdogs out. And the fans, even of the little teams, have been brainwashed for so long they continue to go along with it. There is no legit tradition. It’s been a rigged sport since the first bowl game was played.
 
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