Expansion

WracerX said:
Based on the fact that no one in the conference gives a crap about UL. It’s not their fault, there is just zero history with anyone in the ACC.

WVu-Pitt and WVU-VT are marketable games because the fans get fired up. That draws attention from casual fans. So sports writers write about it. TV mentions it.

UL-Cincy is a rivalry. UL-(any ACC team) is an afterthought. The same can be said of Cuse, Wake, and BC.

The fans make the game. Why is GT/UNC a bigger draw than GT/NCSt? Because our fans care more about UNC.
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News flash. Traditional rivalries are all but a thing of the past at this point. Texas-TAMU has been gone for over a decade and is now returning in 2024. Pitt-WVU died when the ACC raided the Big East and left WVU out of the mix. OU-Oklahoma State is ending after this year. Nebraska-OU ended after NU went to the B1G. New rivalries will form as a result of the current expansion.

Every former BE schools like BC, Cuse, Pitt, VT and Miami are still rivals whether anyone else outside of those schools cares or not. The ACC overall has a lot of small and or urban schools in NFL cities. The games won’t ever generate the buzz of PSU-OSU, LSU-Bama etc. Size of the school matters.
 
USCJacket said:
News flash. Traditional rivalries are all but a thing of the past at this point. Texas-TAMU has been gone for over a decade and is now returning in 2024. Pitt-WVU died when the ACC raided the Big East and left WVU out of the mix. OU-Oklahoma State is ending after this year. Nebraska-OU ended after NU went to the B1G. New rivalries will form as a result of the current expansion.

Every former BE schools like BC, Cuse, Pitt, VT and Miami are still rivals whether anyone else outside of those schools cares or not. The ACC overall has a lot of small and or urban schools in NFL cities. The games won’t ever generate the buzz of PSU-OSU, LSU-Bama etc. Size of the school matters.
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Texas is moving into a conference because of the rivalries. The SEC now has TX-OU, TX-ATM, and TX-Ark to sell. Those are interesting games even when one or both teams are down.

Ratings will be better for Mizzou-Kansas than for Mizzou-KY. There are two ways to get interesting games. Either you need good teams or rivalries.

The ACC has tried to sell contrived rivalries and failed miserably. And it continues down that path.
 
WracerX said:
The ACC has tried to sell contrived rivalries and failed miserably. And it continues down that path.
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Yep. Other than Clemson, the ACC didn’t give a thought to natural/potential rivals for GT when assigning permanent football opponents in this brave new division-less setup.
 
GTJay said:
Yep. Other than Clemson, the ACC didn’t give a thought to natural/potential rivals for GT when assigning permanent football opponents in this brave new division-less setup.
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Wouldn’t have expected much different. I don’t get why some on here want to die on the ACC hill. The ACC has never done any favors to any program outside of North Carolina
 
WracerX said:
Lol. Dude, there aren’t any hotties left by 2 am. You’re just a chubby chaser.

My point stands. What is left of the PAC and the B12 have too many low interest schools. Baylor can not prop up Iowa State and Kansas. Having Kansas/KSU, UA/ASU, and Utah/BYU in the same conference is a money loser.

The ACC is in the same boat. You could pick 9 schools from the 14, keep the ND contract, and still get 80% of the money in the contract. That’s a 24% increase in revenue. But you can’t pick foolishly.

Expansion is not the only answer.
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We’ll get there at some point. You’ll see schools like Vandy and Rutgers jettisoned. Then you’ll see expansion again to fill the holes.
 
WracerX said:
Texas is moving into a conference because of the rivalries. The SEC now has TX-OU, TX-ATM, and TX-Ark to sell. Those are interesting games even when one or both teams are down.

Ratings will be better for Mizzou-Kansas than for Mizzou-KY. There are two ways to get interesting games. Either you need good teams or rivalries.

The ACC has tried to sell contrived rivalries and failed miserably. And it continues down that path.
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Come on already. Texas is NOT moving into the SEC because of old SWC rivalries with Arkansas and TAMU. Texas is moving into the SEC because of guaranteed $$$. Keep in mind who did not want Texas to join….TAMU. TAMU did everything to prevent the move, but was outvoted by every other SEC school.

Fact is, Texas was losing recruits to TAMU aka losing their stranglehold on the state. Oklahoma is joining as a tagalong like UCLA with USC.

If you truly think a swap (ACC, B12) between the current state of the WVU and Louisville programs would elevate TV viewership by all that much, you’re only kidding yourself.
 
USCJacket said:
Come on already. Texas is NOT moving into the SEC because of old SWC rivalries with Arkansas and TAMU. Texas is moving into the SEC because of guaranteed $$$. Keep in mind who did not want Texas to join….TAMU. TAMU did everything to prevent the move, but was outvoted by every other SEC school.

Fact is, Texas was losing recruits to TAMU aka losing their stranglehold on the state. Oklahoma is joining as a tagalong like UCLA with USC.

If you truly think a swap (ACC, B12) between the current state of the WVU and Louisville programs would elevate TV viewership by all that much, you’re only kidding yourself.
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You don’t understand. Texas moved because of money. But the money is there because of those games. Texas/Ark is a bigger draw than Texas/UF. There was s a reason TX to the B1G was a bad draw, but TX to the SEC was worth $50M for 1 extra year.

Which UL game outdrew Pitt/WVU last year? WVU has sucked and the matchup was still more attractive than what the ACC put together.

 

Finally, an article from a proper news outlet and not just some Twitter rumor.

That was until Pac-12 insider Jon Wilner reported that something could be going down in the next 24 hours.

“My hunch is the next 24 hours will provide clarity on the ACC front — and that momentum is currently trending in favor of the Bears and Cardinal,” Wilner wrote on the app formerly known as Twitter. “But we shall see.”
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:eekfacepalm:
 
WracerX said:
I’m not saying we would get WVU. It is just they are a better fit for us financially than most schools. The ACC and the Big12 would be better off swapping UL and WVU.
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if you think about it, a move like that basically reconstitutes the old Big East into the ACC. Geographic ally makes more sense than adding any PAC12 or TX based schools.
 
An ACC team having a bad season could road trip to USA's outdoor defecation capitol
to legally take a crap in the street.
That would cheer them up!
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