Expansion

My take.

If we can get Stanford, Cal, and SMU at a discount - the ACC should do this - reasons
1) The three schools only join as football only and maybe BB to limit travel cost.
2) The discount all three schools would be as follows - (assumes ESPN average payout less ACC network is ~ $35 MM/year per school) - So SMU as reported takes no funds for 5 years (5 x $35 MM = $175) : Stanford does the same another $175MM: Cal joins for $10MM/year for 5 years ~125MM. Total savings over 5 years = $175MM + $175MM + $125 MM = $475MM over 5 years. Note than when UCLA left for the BIG10 - California Govt said UCLA must subsidize Cal.
3) So we have ~ 475$mm - spread this out over 10 years 2024 - 2033 - about $48mm/year. Use this as a bonus pool based on eyes on TV for the top two or three schools - so maybe this gives Clemson and FSU up to ~ $20mm a year extra if their viewership is the top 2
4) Their will be additional income from the ACC Network. ESPN and ACC split this 50-50. I would think adding TX (Dallas) and Stanford/CAL is going to add more money - no clue how much - but this is a equal distrbution for all ACC
5) Finally - The ACC is going to break up at some point - depending on the GOR contract. Adding schools to the ACC protects it from the loss of schools.
6) GT may get an invite from the SEC or BIG - but this is far from certain. Allowing these three schools in adds a potential option for GT in the long run
 
I’m an advocate of a smaller ACC. That being said, the worst current situation seems to be staying pat at 14+.

Stanford is the best remaining school, especially if ND is forced to add a 6th ACC game because of it.

Second to that would be adding WVU. They would add two marketable games with Pitt and VT.

The ACC should do away with trying to have every team face every other team every x years. There are marketable games and there are duds.

FSU, Clemson, Miami should face each every year. I think we should be in that group as well.
 
WracerX said:
I’m an advocate of a smaller ACC. That being said, the worst current situation seems to be staying pat at 14+.

Stanford is the best remaining school, especially if ND is forced to add a 6th ACC game because of it.

Second to that would be adding WVU. They would add two marketable games with Pitt and VT.

The ACC should do away with trying to have every team face every other team every x years. There are marketable games and there are duds.

FSU, Clemson, Miami should face each every year. I think we should be in that group as well.
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WVU is in the Big 12, they aren't coming to the ACC.
 
WracerX said:
I’m an advocate of a smaller ACC. That being said, the worst current situation seems to be staying pat at 14+.

Stanford is the best remaining school, especially if ND is forced to add a 6th ACC game because of it.

Second to that would be adding WVU. They would add two marketable games with Pitt and VT.

The ACC should do away with trying to have every team face every other team every x years. There are marketable games and there are duds.

FSU, Clemson, Miami should face each every year. I think we should be in that group as well.
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Agree - ND should add an extra ACC game to include Stanford. This would be an extra ND away game every 2 years which ESPN has the broadcast rights, Assuming NBC pays ~ 60$MM for 6 home games each year on the new contract - the ACC gets an addition ND game every 2 years- so worth $5MM /yr on average for additional funds to the ACC - another revenue for the ACC
 
gtGreg768b said:
Your article doesn't prove anything other than 2 idiotic members of Congress are trying to prove that they are doing something of importance.

And before you froth yourself up any further, you'd better check this out... https://www.shenzhen.gatech.edu/
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lovely. I don’t agree with that either. If there’s WWIII it’s gonna be with the Chicoms. But back to football, I think the ACC is better off not expanding to the West Coast.
 

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WracerX said:
I’m not saying we would get WVU. It is just they are a better fit for us financially than most schools. The ACC and the Big12 would be better off swapping UL and WVU.
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It’s a strange thing to fantasize about but whatever works for you bro
 
WracerX said:
I’m not saying we would get WVU. It is just they are a better fit for us financially than most schools. The ACC and the Big12 would be better off swapping UL and WVU.
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Based on what? Location? I’d argue it’s much easier to get to Louisville vs Morgantown.

Both football programs have seen a down turn. While UofL just hired Broem, WVU is more than likely moving on from Neal Brown after this season, and is preseason in the cellar in the B12. Add in the Bob Huggins drama, and I don’t see any benefit to a swap of schools.
 
WracerX said:
Screw the B12 and the Pac. Too much dead weight in each of those conferences. I would try and figure out which 9 teams were the most marketable and leave the rest.

Based on Tv ratings maybe something like
Oregon, Washington, BYU, Baylor, WV, CO, Stanford, Houston, Cincy

Really just work out the nine biggest draws and dump the rest.
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This post reads like the ugliest, fattest, dude in the bar at 2 AM discussing which of the remaining hotties he's going to take home. Something which which I think you're probably very familiar.
 
USCJacket said:
Based on what? Location? I’d argue it’s much easier to get to Louisville vs Morgantown.

Both football programs have seen a down turn. While UofL just hired Broem, WVU is more than likely moving on from Neal Brown after this season, and is preseason in the cellar in the B12. Add in the Bob Huggins drama, and I don’t see any benefit to a swap of schools.
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Based on the fact that no one in the conference gives a crap about UL. It’s not their fault, there is just zero history with anyone in the ACC.

WVu-Pitt and WVU-VT are marketable games because the fans get fired up. That draws attention from casual fans. So sports writers write about it. TV mentions it.

UL-Cincy is a rivalry. UL-(any ACC team) is an afterthought. The same can be said of Cuse, Wake, and BC.

The fans make the game. Why is GT/UNC a bigger draw than GT/NCSt? Because our fans care more about UNC.
 
1982Jacket said:
This post reads like the ugliest, fattest, dude in the bar at 2 AM discussing which of the remaining hotties he's going to take home. Something which which I think you're probably very familiar.
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Lol. Dude, there aren’t any hotties left by 2 am. You’re just a chubby chaser.

My point stands. What is left of the PAC and the B12 have too many low interest schools. Baylor can not prop up Iowa State and Kansas. Having Kansas/KSU, UA/ASU, and Utah/BYU in the same conference is a money loser.

The ACC is in the same boat. You could pick 9 schools from the 14, keep the ND contract, and still get 80% of the money in the contract. That’s a 24% increase in revenue. But you can’t pick foolishly.

Expansion is not the only answer.
 
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