Expansion

THWUGA said:
Bro you don’t even know. Half this board is up to their eyeballs in every conspiracy out there, related to GT or not. Loonyland.
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Well sure, if you believe the SEC is a conspiracy theory then everything probably looks like a conspiracy theory.
 
USCJacket said:
You literally insinuated that Gibbs went to Alabama because he had to prove himself against SEC competition in order to impress NFL scouts. When in reality the numbers he put up at GT with a bad OL, inconsistent QB and an OC over his head were more impressive vs playing with a very good OL, elite QB and offensive talent. NFL scouts are going to spot elite talent regardless of where they play.

lol dude, you are beyond moving goal posts each and every time. You have gone from the SEC will not take Clemson and FSU because you think they bring nothing to the SEC. When the reality is, they are perfect fits. Huge stadiums, fanbases, brand recognition, TV viewership.

Clemson has beaten Alabama and UGA on the field and on the recruiting trail over the last decade. So because they didn’t finish #1 means exactly what again? You obviously don’t understand how the recruiting formula works. So I’ll simplify it for you. # of commits + * ranking = points. So if Clemson signs 25 and UGA, Bama, LSU, etc sign 28+, its pretty simple who finishes with the higher recruiting class rankings.

And let’s take a look at the results of those Top 5-10 recruiting classes (ranked behind your beloved Alabama, UGA) shall we? Clemson has played in 6 CFP’s, with 4 trips to the CFP NC game and won 2 NC’s. Clemson has been the only reason the ACC is even in the CFP conversation over the last 8 years.

I watch CFB regardless of conference. I don’t have SEC envy like you obviously do.
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You think no one told Gibbs he should play in the SEC, no one ever, that's your position. I don't think it was the only reason Gibbs went to Bama; but I'm pretty sure it was part of it. Check out this headline:
Gibbs announces transfer to SEC school

I don't know about SEC history with Clemson; but FSU would have went to the SEC instead of the ACC back in the 1990's if the SEC had offered them. Rumors were back then that UF was blocking them. Even old man Bowden let it be known he was interested in coaching Bama at one point. But go ahead a stick your head in the sand and pretend what conference you belong to means nothing. I can't understand how you maintain that belief in today's CFB world; but you go be you.
 
aeromech said:
You think no one told Gibbs he should play in the SEC, no one ever, that's your position. I don't think it was the only reason Gibbs went to Bama; but I'm pretty sure it was part of it. Check out this headline:
Gibbs announces transfer to SEC school

I don't know about SEC history with Clemson; but FSU would have went to the SEC instead of the ACC back in the 1990's if the SEC had offered them. Rumors were back then that UF was blocking them. Even old man Bowden let it be known he was interested in coaching Bama at one point. But go ahead a stick your head in the sand and pretend what conference you belong to means nothing. I can't understand how you maintain that belief in today's CFB world; but you go be you.
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I think everything in the world is told to these kids. To say nobody said that would be incredibly low odds. People also say you can’t make it to the nfl if you are a wr playing for an option team. It doesn’t mean people saying these things really count or know what they are talking about.
Gibbs is a good player. I don’t know that he really did himself much better in draft stock going to Alabama as they were sort of off last year. He did good and in some games did show what he could do but he had already done that at GT. I will say if you want to go to the nfl I’d be worried about staying healthy being behind the GT oline the last few seasons.
 
KrazieJacket said:
I think everything in the world is told to these kids. To say nobody said that would be incredibly low odds. People also say you can’t make it to the nfl if you are a wr playing for an option team. It doesn’t mean people saying these things really count or know what they are talking about.
Gibbs is a good player. I don’t know that he really did himself much better in draft stock going to Alabama as they were sort of off last year. He did good and in some games did show what he could do but he had already done that at GT. I will say if you want to go to the nfl I’d be worried about staying healthy being behind the GT oline the last few seasons.
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I think Gibbs is a good young man who was sold on being part of Tech's comeback, and he wanted to be part of that. When it became apparent that wasn't happening on his watch, and that it was likely we were going to transition coaches again, he left for the best place he could land, which was pretty darn good.

We can debate the notion of loyalty, but there is no loyalty left in college football. That's been broken down now over the last 20 years or so with increasing leniency of the transfer rules. NIL was the cherry on top.
 


Seems like Cal and Stanford don't have much leverage beyond "we'll go independent".
 
aeromech said:
You think no one told Gibbs he should play in the SEC, no one ever, that's your position. I don't think it was the only reason Gibbs went to Bama; but I'm pretty sure it was part of it. Check out this headline:
Gibbs announces transfer to SEC school

I don't know about SEC history with Clemson; but FSU would have went to the SEC instead of the ACC back in the 1990's if the SEC had offered them. Rumors were back then that UF was blocking them. Even old man Bowden let it be known he was interested in coaching Bama at one point. But go ahead a stick your head in the sand and pretend what conference you belong to means nothing. I can't understand how you maintain that belief in today's CFB world; but you go be you.
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Gibbs could have gone to LSU etc out of HS. So the SEC option was always there. When he decided to leave GT he wanted to play for a chance to win an NC knowing GT was a sinking ship. Do you blame him? He made a business decision. Good for him. But to insinuate from the start that it had anything to do with upping his draft status is pure speculation. His late 1st round early 2nd round draft status would not have changed had he stayed at GT. His film for 2 years in a bad offense with no offensive line was proof enough of his elite talent.

You’re seriously bringing up when FSU joined the ACC in 1992? Things have drastically changed across the political landscape in college athletics over the last 30 years. The SEC and B1G are the 2 top conferences and have been for quite some time. They have the $$$ and pull to make any decision they want regarding expansion. FSU and Clemson see the writing on the wall and understand the financial impact the 2 super conferences will have to their member school’s starting in the near future.

But I think ignoring what idiot Swafford did by putting the ACC in the position it’s in by raiding the Big East and adding 2 football schools (Miami, VT), 3 hoops schools (Cuse, BC and UofL) and Pitt who has been up and down in both has been a disaster. Outside of Miami, VT and UofL none of the other schools have national fanbases. He built a conference based on the wrong sports….Hoops.

So the fact is, FSU and Clemson don’t care about being members in a dying conference. Do you blame them? But to continue down this mindset you’re in that FSU and Clemson aren’t the top 2 choices in the next round of SEC expansion is just ignoring reality. They are the 2 perfect schools for that conference.
 
justafan said:


Seems like Cal and Stanford don't have much leverage beyond "we'll go independent".
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Some are suggesting it's Stanford trying to put pressure on the ACC to sh*t or get off the pot and that talks are not in any way "formal" regarding the BIG12.

I doubt this story would come out if there was an "agreement in principle" for ACC expansion with Cal/Stanford/SMU. I also don't think adding fuel to the fire with BIG12 talk is going to help their case.

Just trying to read the tea leaves here, but I don't think the votes for ACC expansion with these schools has changed. I think those blocking the expansion are still blocking it or this thing would have a different tone to it going into the week.

Could be wrong but the smoke around the BIG12 possibly originating from Stanford insiders doesn't look like confidence to me.
 
USCJacket said:
Gibbs could have gone to LSU etc out of HS. So the SEC option was always there. When he decided to leave GT he wanted to play for a chance to win an NC knowing GT was a sinking ship. Do you blame him? He made a business decision. Good for him. But to insinuate from the start that it had anything to do with upping his draft status is pure speculation. His late 1st round early 2nd round draft status would not have changed had he stayed at GT. His film for 2 years in a bad offense with no offensive line was proof enough of his elite talent.

You’re seriously bringing up when FSU joined the ACC in 1992? Things have drastically changed across the political landscape in college athletics over the last 30 years. The SEC and B1G are the 2 top conferences and have been for quite some time. They have the $$$ and pull to make any decision they want regarding expansion. FSU and Clemson see the writing on the wall and understand the financial impact the 2 super conferences will have to their member school’s starting in the near future.

But I think ignoring what idiot Swafford did by putting the ACC in the position it’s in by raiding the Big East and adding 2 football schools (Miami, VT), 3 hoops schools (Cuse, BC and UofL) and Pitt who has been up and down in both has been a disaster. Outside of Miami, VT and UofL none of the other schools have national fanbases. He built a conference based on the wrong sports….Hoops.

So the fact is, FSU and Clemson don’t care about being members in a dying conference. Do you blame them? But to continue down this mindset you’re in that FSU and Clemson aren’t the top 2 choices in the next round of SEC expansion is just ignoring reality. They are the 2 perfect schools for that conference.
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How did that playing in a bad offense with no offensive line work out for Jordan Mason proving his talent? He went undrafted, that's how it worked out. Mason clearly has NFL talent and it was hidden in the P-nope offense.

The rest of your post is what you were calling wild conspiracy theories just a few posts ago. The unavoidable truth is that the SEC could have had FSU anytime up until the GOR was signed in 2013. Instead the SEC added Texas A&M, and Missouri in 2011. Just like the SEC passed them over in early 1990's when they added Arkansas and South Carolina instead. Notice how the SEC expansions up until Texas have been into states where the SEC did not have team previously, and neither FSU or Clemson are as big a fish as Texas. If FSU is such a perfect fit, why did the SEC keep passing them over prior to the ACC GOR? Was it because Missouri and South Carolina are bigger better programs?
 
I was under the impression that Stanford does not want to join the Big 12. I think that they think they are better than the Big 12. I wouldn't mind Stanford but I don't see the appeal of Cal and I get the impression that they are a package deal. Only package deal I would entertain is Stanford with Notre Dame but we all know that ain't happening.
 
USCJacket said:
Gibbs could have gone to LSU etc out of HS. So the SEC option was always there. When he decided to leave GT he wanted to play for a chance to win an NC knowing GT was a sinking ship. Do you blame him? He made a business decision. Good for him. But to insinuate from the start that it had anything to do with upping his draft status is pure speculation. His late 1st round early 2nd round draft status would not have changed had he stayed at GT. His film for 2 years in a bad offense with no offensive line was proof enough of his elite talent.

You’re seriously bringing up when FSU joined the ACC in 1992? Things have drastically changed across the political landscape in college athletics over the last 30 years. The SEC and B1G are the 2 top conferences and have been for quite some time. They have the $$$ and pull to make any decision they want regarding expansion. FSU and Clemson see the writing on the wall and understand the financial impact the 2 super conferences will have to their member school’s starting in the near future.

But I think ignoring what idiot Swafford did by putting the ACC in the position it’s in by raiding the Big East and adding 2 football schools (Miami, VT), 3 hoops schools (Cuse, BC and UofL) and Pitt who has been up and down in both has been a disaster. Outside of Miami, VT and UofL none of the other schools have national fanbases. He built a conference based on the wrong sports….Hoops.

So the fact is, FSU and Clemson don’t care about being members in a dying conference. Do you blame them? But to continue down this mindset you’re in that FSU and Clemson aren’t the top 2 choices in the next round of SEC expansion is just ignoring reality. They are the 2 perfect schools for that conference.
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UofL doesn’t have a national fanbase. They peaked in football and basketball at exactly the right time. They are the anti-GT.

VT isn’t really any different. No national fanbase and are only known because of signing a dynamic QB.
 
TechRush said:
I was under the impression that Stanford does not want to join the Big 12. I think that they think they are better than the Big 12. I wouldn't mind Stanford but I don't see the appeal of Cal and I get the impression that they are a package deal. Only package deal I would entertain is Stanford with Notre Dame but we all know that ain't happening.
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There's some oddness about all of this and has been the entire way. Cal is poison and I don't think anyone wants them. Remember that when you add a school they become voting members. The ACC screwed up and let Notre Dame become a voting member w/o full membership and you see how they are trying to take over the direction of the conference.

Each vote counts. Adding Stanford and Cal (and possibly SMU) will change the voting dynamics the next go around. FSU and others are well aware of it. Adding new members dilutes your voting power.

The money doesn't come close to adding enough to move the needle, but losing your voting strength on the next go around of conference expansion, or anything else, should be enough to keep the "No" votes in place.

We'll see.
 
aeromech said:
How did that playing in a bad offense with no offensive line work out for Jordan Mason proving his talent? He went undrafted, that's how it worked out. Mason clearly has NFL talent and it was hidden in the P-nope offense.

The rest of your post is what you were calling wild conspiracy theories just a few posts ago. The unavoidable truth is that the SEC could have had FSU anytime up until the GOR was signed in 2013. Instead the SEC added Texas A&M, and Missouri in 2011. Just like the SEC passed them over in early 1990's when they added Arkansas and South Carolina instead. Notice how the SEC expansions up until Texas have been into states where the SEC did not have team previously, and neither FSU or Clemson are as big a fish as Texas. If FSU is such a perfect fit, why did the SEC keep passing them over prior to the ACC GOR? Was it because Missouri and South Carolina are bigger better programs?

You continue to hypothesize about what you are sure the SEC is thinking. I will tell you with certainty that FSU, and Clemson behind the scenes, have done homework on this and are not just running their mouths and taking a wild stab. They may truly not end up in the SEC, or may not go to the BIGX. If their talking and wrangling causes the ACC to put up or shut up, that wouldn’t be bad for GT
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