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donsue said:
I think you hit on the heart of the problem. In the 60s and 70s Tech has about as many fans in smaller towns in the state as UGA had. That eroded over the years. If people think that really doesn’t matter, it does. “Sidewalk fans” give money, buy tickets, and overall support the program. It is tough to make a splash with getting support only from alums (particularly when you have a small, very spread out alum base).
I hope Key, and winning will make a dent in that.
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10-4. My point was to dispel the comment that everyone sees GT as an ACC bottom dweller. While the recent years have been brutal, we still have a decent brand nationally. Of course this can change.

Agree the support of non-alumni is critical. My family is from a small town, these folks are very important as well. Beat UGAg on a somewhat regular basis is the key to building local support. I suspect that is a reason CBK emphasizes such in his opening presser.
 
smokey_wasp said:


Wow. Really lame
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Yeah, Apple isn't stupid. They wouldn't mind getting in the CFB rights game but they aren't gonna get burned. This is one of the reasons this entire business is teetering on a bubble. The only players capable of bailing it all out aren't stupid enough to pay the current prices these conferences and programs want.

I expect Arizona/ASU/Utah to bail for the Big12. The Pac12 is very likely dead. Oregon and Washington can't be feeling good about any of this right now.
 
The GT brand is OK, better outside GA and the south than inside, I'd wager. Beating UGA regularly would certainly boost it, but what qualifies "regularly?" We haven't beaten them more than 3x per decade in over 50 years (1969 to be specific... 1961, 62, 63, and 69). What is the process for doing this as it has gotten harder, not easier over that time?

So, I agree that it would certainly be a good thing, it just may be extremely difficult to do. Beyond that, just win. Beat all that you can, whether or not that includes UGA, and the brand will improve.
 
Do you all really think Cabrera, Key, Batt, and that CIA guy that was the interim AD are just sitting around? No, not in the slightest.

They are war gaming the ACC succession crisis DAILY.

We are going to come out on top BIGLY.
 
verdi said:
Do you all really think Cabrera, Key, Batt, and that CIA guy that was the interim AD are just sitting around? No, not in the slightest.

They are war gaming the ACC succession crisis DAILY.

We are going to come out on top BIGLY.
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I do actually believe that smart and capable people are in control right now. I think they are doing what’s smart and are making great moves. I have seen more from Batt in less than a year than I saw with Todd for his entire career.

That being said I’m still pretty butt hurt about the whole thing.
 
verdi said:
Do you all really think Cabrera, Key, Batt, and that CIA guy that was the interim AD are just sitting around? No, not in the slightest.

They are war gaming the ACC succession crisis DAILY.

We are going to come out on top BIGLY.
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Bill Donaldson was the interim AD?
 
Just heard an interesting take. While the big 12 may take a few more pac, Oregon and Washington may be left to flap in the wind. At least for the year. The SEC and BIG may choose to just stand pat right now. The thought is that it may help USC and UCLA greatly in recruiting.

I don’t believe the FSU and Clemson öööö. ESPN would sue into the ground if the BIG tried to take all of that at once.

As ACC Cornish im on the phone trying to convince ESPN to take Oregon and Washington myself. If this whole thing is really about TV money this is ESPNs chance to get those schools at a discount to Fox and SEC money.

would love to see it.
 
Here’s the öööö I don’t understand. The pac12 still has teams other P5 conferences would like to have. Colorado (confirmed), AU, ASU, and Utah are all rumored for the Big12. Wash and Ore are rumored for the B1G. Stanford will eventually land on its feet, and Cal probably maybe will. Only ore st and wash st are going to be hoping for a big12 invite or may go down to MWC. All that is worth 20M per school.

Meanwhile the big12 is literally made up of scraps nobody else really wants. I’ve heard KU and OSU and WVU as potential fits in other P5 conferences, but that’s it. They lose Texas and OU, reload with G5 teams, but they’re worth 34M or whatever the number is?

I get why the ACC is undervalued saddled with a long contract, but what exactly happened to the PAC12? Are they more valuable separately than together? Evidently half the league can go to the B1G and be worth 5-6 times as much. Or are boring matchups with the other members killing the value that much? A more conspiracy minded individual might believe ESPN and Fox are orchestrating the contracts to consolidate into 2 conferences. Although I’m guessing it’s a consequence of ESPN and Fox putting all their eggs in those respective baskets since they’re the most valuable, and there’s no money left to go around.
 
05GTCorndog said:
Not a serious suggestion, but since we are dreaming.

Kick out the bullshit Big East schools from the ACC. Bye Louisville, Cuse, BC, VPISU, Pitt, (Miami can stay or go).
- Or kick Wake out and keep VPISU. Why? Because öööö Wake.
Get the ACC back to 8-9 teams.
Then pick up the remaining PAC teams. Two divisions - ACC and PAC.
Play 7 teams from the ACC and 2 crossover games each season.
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I buy that..at least emotionally. All the Big East schools sans Miami and VT can gtfo….and they’re likewise welcome to leave. What value does BC and Syracuse bring? Nobody cares about them sans Doug Flutie. Seriously, nobody cares about BC or Syracuse football since the days of Jim Brown. Terrible additions. ACC leadership sux and so does Mike Kryzxcvnemidski for lobbying for their inclusion. ACC basketball isn’t even the best any more.

the sum of the whole is less than the parts. Go figure.
 
BigDanT said:
I do actually believe that smart and capable people are in control right now. I think they are doing what’s smart and are making great moves. I have seen more from Batt in less than a year than I saw with Todd for his entire career.

That being said I’m still pretty butt hurt about the whole thing.
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I hope you’re right. Whether fair or not, what is being done to position GT sports for the future of college athletics? Batt appears to have made two solid hires and Cabrera at least talks like he cares, but what are they actually doing for our long-term success? Maybe they have a great strategy and we’re out of the loop but I’ve heard jack squat on their position on realignment.

while FSU is likely overplaying their hand, at least they are trying.

thanks for the letting me vent…though I don’t really feel better.
 
verdi said:
Do you all really think Cabrera, Key, Batt, and that CIA guy that was the interim AD are just sitting around? No, not in the slightest.

They are war gaming the ACC succession crisis DAILY.

We are going to come out on top BIGLY.
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I appreciate this mindset. I hope it’s right. However, keep in mind that we just hired a clown who won 3 games a year, and we replaced him with his Assistant Head Coach, who has zero head coaching experience and zero credibility recruiting.

Those don’t look like guys war gaming the ACC crisis to me (nothing against Coach Key).
 
BuzzLaw said:
I appreciate this mindset. I hope it’s right. However, keep in mind that we just hired a clown who won 3 games a year, and we replaced him with his Assistant Head Coach, who has zero head coaching experience and zero credibility recruiting.

Those don’t look like guys war gaming the ACC crisis to me (nothing against Coach Key).
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F$U's fanbase are a bunch of rabid, hyper-sensitive fools. In order to keep their jobs, F$U's AD / President need to drop nuggets of "we're trying" in order to keep the wolves at bay.

GT's fanbase doesn't need that kind of coddling. I am sure Cabrera / Bratt are having discussions behind closed doors.....which is the best place to get anything done.

The B1G's ability to get ESPN, Fox and NBC to all buy what they are selling was key to them getting the B1G $$'s. Can they squeeze any more $$ by adding 4-8 more teams such as Oregon, Washington, F$U, Clemson, GT, UNC, Miami, ND? Would SEC/ACC rights owner ESPN support breaking up the ACC to add teams to the SEC as a pre-emptive move to thwart any B1G moves?
 
Beeski said:
Would SEC/ACC rights owner ESPN support breaking up the ACC to add teams to the SEC as a pre-emptive move to thwart any B1G moves?
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Could ESPN benefit financially by cherry picking the teams they want from the ACC to add to the SEC, let Big Ten
cherry pick from what is left and the rest have to join a different conference?
 
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