firing a coach?

Zeir did not start until the 6th game and in his 2nd start they lost to Vandy.

They did go to the Independence Bowl that year and of course a 32pt loss to UF but overall record 9-3.

When you have those extra weeks to get ready it make a difference. We were FORCED to throw Reggie in the fire b/c it was the best in the long/short run for the team.
 
Nice post(s) Lawbee.

Yes Daniels is an invited Walk-on and sorta had scholarship offers. That implies an average RB or a sleeper. You can describe PJ as a sleeper if you like, but I would describe him as a workman. For a team to have a top offense they either need a great QB or a great RB. We have good players in both positions (Ball has the potential to be great, but he has a long way to go).

Any implications that Ball is great because he beat out Suggs would have to come from someone who did not catch any GT games in 2002. Sometimes you play a freshman because he is way too good to keep off the field (see Maurice Clarett). Sometimes you play him because he is the best you have (see Joe Hamilton).
 
Originally posted by law_bee:
Better QB?
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">If you don't think that Reggie is a better QB than AJ Suggs then you have lost your freaking mind. You think Reggie is running for his life? What do you think our record would be if AJ were under center? I'm guessing we would not be 5-3.

Also, General Wood's point was that ON PAPER we are better than last year. This line SHOULD BE playing a lot better than it is.
 
Originally posted by GTCrew:
Any implications that Ball is great because he beat out Suggs would have to come from someone who did not catch any GT games in 2002. Sometimes you play a freshman because he is way too good to keep off the field (see Maurice Clarett). Sometimes you play him because he is the best you have (see Joe Hamilton).
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">I made no implications that he was great. Law_bee used our freshman qb as an excuse for our inconsistency. The simple fact is that age doesn't matter here because he is better than our 5th year senior who started all of last season. If AJ were starting and we were in the same position, then what would the excuse be?
 
Let's put all these arguments aside and look at the big picture. At the end of the day, there is absolutely NO EXCUSE for a 24 point loss to Duke. End of story.
 
When you look at PJ he is AVERAGING 4.2 yards a carry. THAT IS TENTH in the ACC!

this is not a slam on PJ (who but for him we would have lost MANY MORE GAMES). We are FORCED to run the ball over and over to

1. keep our shallow D off the field
2. keep pressure off our TRUE FRESHMAN qb

the reason for these posts is I believe CG is a VICTIM of his own success. Because he and staff have figured out ways to win I think the fan base is believing in all the hype

CG and staff are doing it with smoke and mirrors this year!

I just hope he keeps it going 4 more games!
 
Why has our line fallen off? This to me, is the crux of the matter. Dorsey is two years removed from dominating Julius Peppers. Reilly is a 5th year guy. Wallace is playing his 3rd year. There are no pups in this group and no stiffs. The man child Leon Robinson is a back-up

Johnathan Smith was regarded as the best overall receiver under D. Kelly, but you don't want him in the mix. PJ could make All-Conference, and Reggie should be rookie of the year.

I do not feel as though anyone other than Florida State has better overall athletes in the conference at the present.

UGAG won with Zeier and GOOF as the coach. So, did GA win because of great coaching or in spite of bad coaching?

It just bothers me when people start making excuses when we have a bad week and comparing ourselves to other programs.

I still think that the question is, "Is the program headed in the right direction?"

We will have a much clearer view in three weeks.
 
I don't know why the line has fallen off but when you are using Morris Brown transfers (and he is doing damn good) you know that they are not gelling.

PJ is averaging 4.2 yards a carry and that is TENTH IN THE ACC. If you run someone 1000 times they can average 2 ypc and have 2000 yards. (again not a slam on PJ who is busting his but every game, more of a we need samson and grant).

Dez had Kelly Cambell, Kelly had Freddie, Freddie is on an island and Freddie is so great he is still going to have 1000 yds but our other WR's have not stepped up.

Reggie is a true freshman with all the potential in the world.

THIS IS A REBUILDING YEAR!

Hopefully we can make it to a bowl, but I think CG and staff have done a helluva job so far. I just hope they can continue to put their fingers int he dike til we get some more players in here.

as a lawyer I will be damned if I give someone else the last word
 
GoldZ,
You posted that Frank Beamer's situation wasn't the same as Chan Gaileys? As a matter of fact, they are so similar it is scary...the only difference is that Chan's record for the 1st 2 years and in big games is MUCH better than Beamers at Va. Tech. Remember that MANY if not MOST Hokie fans were calling for a fellow named Dave Braine (name sound familiar) to fire Frank Beamer after he had been at Va. Tech for 3 years and they still weren't winning consistently. Braine made the statement that they were sticking with Beamer...the program turns around, then along comes a kid with the last name of Vick and BAM! they're playing for a national championship. They don't win, but everyone says, "Man, this guy can coach!"

Well, before last week's game against Miami, Va. Tech had NEVER defeated a top 10 team. There was a link on this very board that would list for you every big game ever played by the Hokies and the final score, and they had not won a SINGLE ONE! Then, they take Miami to the woodshed and everyone is REALLY happy in Blacksburg (forgetting the butt-whipping they had received from West Virginia the week before). Now, guess what...they lost to Pittsburgh Saturday night so they are once again out of the national championship picture. You don't hear people screaming for Beamer's head though because they love their coach.

Now, contrast that with Chan Gailey and you'll see that we have lost some very lopsided games since he's been here. However, we've also won some games that we would not have expected to win. And he's only in the middle of his 2nd year, people! Give the man some time. No matter what any of you naysayers want to believe, this program was not "loaded". Last year, our quarterbacks flat out sucked! We had just enough talent to win the games we did win, but I don't think anyone on this board would believe that we simply had enough talent to outclass anyone we played (with the exception of Vandy last year).

I see some very positive things happening with the young players. As is typical with young players, they look like world beaters one day and they look like chumps another day. They will only get better with experience and they're getting that. But with players like Reggie Ball, Mansfield Wrotto, Kenny Scott, Rashaun Grant, LaShawn Newberry, etc etc, we have a very bright future.

And remember this...everyone was SLAMMING our recruiting class last year saying that we didn't do really well in recruiting (because we didn't sign a lot of 4 and 5-star players). Let the recruiting "gurus" look at our young players (like Reggie Ball...who wasn't ranked all that high) now and see if they wish to readjust their estimates. I truly believe that many of you will be "readjusting" your opinions of Chan over the next 2 - 3 years as he takes this program to bigger and better things.
 
Originally posted by GTCrew:
But how can you possibly say having a true freshman QB (that didn't even come in early) is not a valid reason for inconsistent performances by our FB team?
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">I agree, for the most part, that having a freshman qb is a very good reason for inconsistency. I just don't want it to be an excuse for losing to Duke. We should be able to beat them with me playing QB.
 
Had to think about it for a while chili

I think we do beat Duke with you at QB if we have Hollings. But we don't.

Daniels is good, but he cannot carry a team like Hollings did.
 
law bee - kudos on your common sense, knowledge of football and irrefutable arguments. You certainly picked the right profession - I'm probably most impressed with your patience in responding to all of the negative nonsense in a thoughtful and literate way.
 
Originally posted by Bee4GT:
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Huh? If my lawyer had come up with the comparison from law_bee's first post, I think I'd be looking for a new lawyer. (ok, maybe that's a stretch, but calling that argument irrefutable is even more of a stretch)

Moreover, why are my posts "negative nonsense?" I have shown nothing but support for Gailey and this staff all season, but when I question the lack of consistency I am just posting negative nonsense.

There are other boards where people go if they want to post only positive stuff or only negative stuff. I think this board is a good place to have a differing opinions.
 
Originally posted by Bee4GT:
law bee - kudos on your common sense, knowledge of football and irrefutable arguments. You certainly picked the right profession - I'm probably most impressed with your patience in responding to all of the negative nonsense in a thoughtful and literate way.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">the TRUTH is a MIGHTY tool!
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As I have said: The defense has a meltdown and when that has happened(Clemson & Duke)the offense and the special team's deficiencies are laid out for everyone to see. When Coach Tenuta's defense has played at an entirely new level and Tech as won the other problems are swept under the rug with reasoning such as "winning Chan's way". PJ Daniels is not a ordinary walk on. True freshman yes but Reggie Ball went into the Duke game with 8 starts behind him. Many of you was expecting 150 yards from Daniels and 2 or 3 touchdown passes from Ball. I saw predictings of such on here before the game. Fat chance you will see that against what has to be the poorest North Carolina team in any fans memory after seeing this house of cards fold against Duke.
 
i bleed, I'm obviously talking about THIS year and the end of last year...NOT their respective careers. THWG
 
Lawbee,
You are right on!
Add to that, why not fire the Miami coach for letting Tenn. beat them?
These things happen and there's not a lot one can do about it. I still believe when CCG gets HIS players up and going with the system that HE wants to have, and the material to use it, we will be very happy.
Right now there is a situation with Joe Paterno at Penn State. One of the last of a breed of "Class" coaches left. One more year on his contract and the people want to fire him. DUNNO.
 
like i have posted in this thread read all my posts

CG is a VICTIM of his own success. He has a paper thin offense that he has stretched to enable us to win games against MD, NCST, and Auburn.

Look at our roster and compare it to Clemson, NCST, F$U, Auburn, MD, and UVA. There is a reason we were picked last in the conference.

It is a tribute to the FANTASTIC job CG and staff have done to get us some quality wins. But GREAT coaching can only take you so far.

OUR WHOLE D-LINE IS FRESHMAN! Hopefully we can use some more smoke and mirrors and get through the season.

Kelly Cambell had Freddie and Kerry Watkins to keep the heat off. It is miraculous that we have been able to get Freddie the ball as much as we have.

The other WR's have not stepped up! The line is not playing well. We need some bodies in here. When CG gets his players in here you are going to see what he can do.

You can only stretch the rubber band so far!
 
rome, because Coker didn't lose to Duke, need OT at Vandy, and get blown out by CU...or suffer the 51-7 disaster followed by the SVB failing...that's why. Keep in mind, that's the case that could be made by the bashers. I am NOT a member of that club. CCG deserves and needs more time, unless there is a meltdown like last year followed by a lackluster recruiting class(which I believe is already off to a decent start). THWG
 
if CG had Miami's players we would be playing undefeated (would need Reggie at QB..Berlin sux).

When CG gets HIS PLAYERS in here you are going to see us go to the next level.

When you heard we were starting a TRUE FRESHMAN DID you think we were going undefeated?

after flunkgate did you expect 12-0?

CG had done a masterful job with what he had!
 
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