firing a coach?

True Freshman, smoo Freshman.

I remember when Lil Joe was a RSFrosh. He made mistakes, some of them killers. He adapted, adjusted and we know the rest of the story.

CCG has worked with QBs like we can't even imagine. He'll work the bugs out of Reggie's game or promote Pat Carter. Whatever it takes.
 
with a true freshman qb and freshman d-line and losing all those quality starters to flunkgate

OUR COACH still has beaten Auburn, NCST, MD, and a pretty good Wake team!

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Originally posted by law_bee:
with a true freshman qb and freshman d-line and losing all those quality starters to flunkgate

OUR COACH still has beaten Auburn, NCST, MD, and a pretty good Wake team!

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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">You're right - all those wins are impressive. However, I'm just waiting for the day when we don't have to be afraid of taking a huge step back every time we make significant progress. A win over UGA sure would make me forget about getting humiliated by the worst team in the conference.
 
law, there is one true freshman playing on the D line. Parker,Henderson,& Wilkinson are not freshmen. We are indeed young at QB & special teams, but not a particularly young team, as is so often posted. Count the no. of Srs,Jrs, & Soph-Rs(3rd year in program), on our starting 22 and you will plainly see.

As I posted earlier, whether or not Chan has done a FANTASTIC job or not should be determined at the END of the season. As for being undefeated with Miami's players, probably not. As for nobody wins with a freshman QB....see UF please. THWG
 
Since we are talking about players on defensive line, whether they are freshmen, and number flunked out, etc., I have another question. In Clemson/FSU game I noticed in 1st quarter commentators talking about total number of players FSU usually plays in a game. They noted Clemson had played about same number at that point in the game (50 or so). In other words, Clemson was able to rotate as much as FSU was. I wonder in comparison how many Tech puts in a game say even in the first half? It would be a good comparison in how close we are getting to competing week after week.
 
I already know what Christmas presents I want for next year's team, but I will wait until the last game to state my Christmas wish!

Father Time
 
Originally posted by law_bee:
like i have posted in this thread read all my posts

CG is a VICTIM of his own success. He has a paper thin offense that he has stretched to enable us to win games against MD, NCST, and Auburn.

Look at our roster and compare it to Clemson, NCST, F$U, Auburn, MD, and UVA. There is a reason we were picked last in the conference.

It is a tribute to the FANTASTIC job CG and staff have done to get us some quality wins. But GREAT coaching can only take you so far.

OUR WHOLE D-LINE IS FRESHMAN! Hopefully we can use some more smoke and mirrors and get through the season.

Kelly Cambell had Freddie and Kerry Watkins to keep the heat off. It is miraculous that we have been able to get Freddie the ball as much as we have.

The other WR's have not stepped up! The line is not playing well. We need some bodies in here. When CG gets his players in here you are going to see what he can do.

You can only stretch the rubber band so far!
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">You can stretch your logic only so far also. Coach Gailey would be running this program in the ground for all to see if not for Coach Tenuta's defense. You and all you others had best hope Coach Tenuta does not get a head coaching or a more lucrative offer in the off season because then the meltdown of saturday will be the norm and not the exception.
 
why has nobody blamed TENUTA for the meltdown?

Have you looked at the box score?

we had MORE first downs and Duke out gained by a WHOLE 5 yds.

If Tenuta's D would have shown up we would have won that game.

To criticize an offensive coach when they have coached a TRUE FRESHMAN and a walkon RB to wins over Auburn, NCST, and MD is laughable!

you should go look at tape of Joe Hamilton when he was a REDSHIRT FRESHMAN. It took even the "mighty fridge" 1 1/2 to get a talent like lil joe going. If CG would have been here we could have gotten lil joe going straight out of the blocks.

It is a tribute to the quality of this staff to have a walkon RB and a TRUE FRESHMAN qb perform well enough to have A FEW quality wins!

You can make a GREAT ARGUMENT that Tenuta was the weak link in the Clemson and Duke losses!
 
LawBee

I agree wholeheartedly. Tenuta has a track record of inconstency.

I think if he circles you on a calender, you're toast. I also think he's just a person and he got caught overconfident.

Roof probably looked back at UNC Tech from 2001 aand made a plan accordingly. Tenuta probably didn't.

I'll take the good and the bad with Tenuta. I do think 17 points should have been enough to beat Duke, though.

We should have been walking out of this game saying the offense hiccupped, but gave us enough to win.
 
This thread is beginning to hit on one of my Christmas wishes for next year.

Father Time
 
law_bee,

I don't know if you were at the game or not, but your comments in this last post make it sound like you were not. I am not saying that the defense played well, but when the other team is returning the kickoff to the 40 yard line consistently and your offense turns it over 4 times including a defensive TD your defense has a very small margin for error. Add to that two of your key defensive players are playing banged up. I think we gave up something like 380 yards of offense which is really not a lot. What Duke did to our defense on Saturday is what everyone expected our defense to be like at the beginning of the season.

I do not think anyone would have imagined our offense being this feeble. We have an offensive line that was voted as the best in the league by ACC coaches at the beginning of the season. We return virtually the entire offense plus we have a QB that is far better than the one we had the year before and really was not even factored into preseason expectations.

We only have 12 scoring drives of over 50 yards in 9 games. So that means that 15 out of our 27 scoring drives have been under 50 yards. So despite being among the lowest scoring offenses, our offense has actually benefit greatly from field position which has been largely provided by our defense.
 
chilidoq...

Yes losing to Duke by a bunch is embarrassing. Yes it is inexcuseable.

But how can you possibly say having a true freshman QB (that didn't even come in early) is not a valid reason for inconsistent performances by our FB team?

If he had beaten out Joe Montana or Chris Weinke I would agree with you, but he beat out a guy that was not winning football games. A guy that had lost the confidence of his teammates (IMHO).

IMHO, it was a no brainer to start one of the freshmen QBs or even Camp. When given the opportunity to lose ugly with a freshman or close with a 5th year senior you always choose the freshman.
 
techfowl,

If you only score 17 points, you usually lose.

Duke's average starting position on their scoring drives was probably about their 45 to the 50 yard line.

The offense gave up a defensive touchdown and had other turnovers that led to very short scoring drives.

I am not trying to make it sound like the defense played really good. They had a bad day, but the failures on offense and special teams really make it look worse.
 
Douglas rushed for 218 yds against the D. We let them score early and then we went down 10pts.

The offense fought back and PJ did have 100yds but they scored again.

the tying score was dropped.

Reggie threw the ball FORTY-SEVEN times. I cannot imagine a situation where we win a game when Reggie throws it 47 times.

When you have a TRUE FRESHMAN at QB the defense is the most important part of the team. You cannot expect a young qb to come back from a deficit. Anytime you let a running back get 200+ yds you are probably going to lose.

If the Dfence had played like it did against ANY of the games we won we would have won saturday. The reason we had all those INT's is b/c we were forcing Reggie to throw it 47x's

We had more first downs and more passing yards. The total yards was separated by 5 yds.

The offensive line has underperformed big time this year. Reggie has very little time to throw and it is difficult for us to get the push we need.

If the D does not get it done against UNC we will lose again. The D is the most important part of this team b/c we do not have the playmakers. No wide receivers have stepped up except for Freddie who is playing incredible. Last year you had Freddie, Cambell, and Watkins. It seems to me that Reggie does not have the same targets to throw to as in years past.

This is a rebuilding year and CG is doing a good job with the pieces he has in place.

Who would have predicted wins over Auburn, NCST, and MD after flunkgate went down?

I just hope he can keep it going until he gets some more bodies in here.
 
Originally posted by law_bee:
why has nobody blamed TENUTA for the meltdown?

Have you looked at the box score?

we had MORE first downs and Duke out gained by a WHOLE 5 yds.

If Tenuta's D would have shown up we would have won that game.

To criticize an offensive coach when they have coached a TRUE FRESHMAN and a walkon RB to wins over Auburn, NCST, and MD is laughable!

you should go look at tape of Joe Hamilton when he was a REDSHIRT FRESHMAN. It took even the "mighty fridge" 1 1/2 to get a talent like lil joe going. If CG would have been here we could have gotten lil joe going straight out of the blocks.

It is a tribute to the quality of this staff to have a walkon RB and a TRUE FRESHMAN qb perform well enough to have A FEW quality wins!

You can make a GREAT ARGUMENT that Tenuta was the weak link in the Clemson and Duke losses!
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Field position and turnovers are the reason Duke put up 41 points. Do I really have to point that out. Coach Tenuta's defense was not able to overcome adversity created by the special team and the offensive mistakes. I am not overlooking the fact that they had a bad day. They did, my point and the point that matters that you and your like ignore is the fact that the defense has overcome the adversity put on it by the offense and special teams game after game. Hopefully this will be the last time the defense fails to overcome this continuing lack of a quality offense and special teams working in tandem with it and lead the Jackets to victory.
 
Originally posted by law_bee:
why has nobody blamed TENUTA for the meltdown?

Have you looked at the box score?

we had MORE first downs and Duke out gained by a WHOLE 5 yds.

If Tenuta's D would have shown up we would have won that game.

To criticize an offensive coach when they have coached a TRUE FRESHMAN and a walkon RB to wins over Auburn, NCST, and MD is laughable!

you should go look at tape of Joe Hamilton when he was a REDSHIRT FRESHMAN. It took even the "mighty fridge" 1 1/2 to get a talent like lil joe going. If CG would have been here we could have gotten lil joe going straight out of the blocks.

It is a tribute to the quality of this staff to have a walkon RB and a TRUE FRESHMAN qb perform well enough to have A FEW quality wins!

You can make a GREAT ARGUMENT that Tenuta was the weak link in the Clemson and Duke losses!
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">I understand your point but you are using horrible analogies. How can you compare losing to a 'pathetic' West Virginia team or 'horrible' Clemson team (which beat us by their largest margin in 70 years this year) to losing to a Duke team (by 24 points) that is riding a 30 freakin game conference losing streak? There is absolutely no comparison.

By the way, the Fridge didn't coach Joe his freshmen year, so it took him 1/2 a season to get Joe started.
 
yea, you are right about fridge getting here that same year, but with Joe he still had a REDSHIRT freshman and that puts him a year ahead of Reggie. And I will take Reggie's wins this year so far against lil Joe's first year.

Also look how Reggie stood in there against F$U and it took Joe a couple of years to hang in there.

CG and company had done a MASTERFUL job with Reggie. If the D can hold on we are gonna win a few more this year!
 
Law_bee,

We did not have Campbell last year. He was playing for the Vikings.

We lost Kerry Watkins, but got Curry back and all the other offensive players have additional year of coaching / maturing.

It just seems to me that when our defense which was projected to be one of the worst in the league plays bad, you cry "bad coaching". When our offense which was projected to be average to slightly above average ends up ranked as one of the worst in the NCAA you cry "players underperforming". You can't have it both ways.

Did you ever think the offensive players are underperforming because of the coaching?

Did you ever think that when you only have one returning starter in your defensive secondary and only have one DT over 280 pounds (that one being a true freshman) that you might have a couple of bad games on defense?
 
Originally posted by JTS:
Law_bee,

We did not have Campbell last year. He was playing for the Vikings.

We lost Kerry Watkins, but got Curry back and all the other offensive players have additional year of coaching / maturing.

It just seems to me that when our defense which was projected to be one of the worst in the league plays bad, you cry "bad coaching". When our offense which was projected to be average to slightly above average ends up ranked as one of the worst in the NCAA you cry "players underperforming". You can't have it both ways.

Did you ever think the offensive players are underperforming because of the coaching?

Did you ever think that when you only have one returning starter in your defensive secondary and only have one DT over 280 pounds (that one being a true freshman) that you might have a couple of bad games on defense?
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">It's good to see someone else has removed the blinders that practically everyone in this website has been wearing since this season started. I believe Coach Tenuta is the highest paid assistant coach on this staff one of the highest paid in the nation and he is earning every penny. Coaches Geis, Nix and Gailey should be glad they are not paid by points scored or yardaged gain or they would facing serious problems with their wives!
 
Coach Tenuta has done a great job with his defense overall this year. That doesn't change the fact that they got smoked Saturday by a Duke team with no passing attack. Yes, the kickoff team gave up field position on the opening kickoff, but the D allowed Duke to take it in for a TD. Then the ST gave the offense the ball on like the 5 yd line to start. The O drove it inside the Duke 40 and gave it up on downs and the D allowed them to drive the length of the field for the FG.

From then on we were playing catch up. The offense scored 10 in the first half and missed another TD with the int in the endzone. But every time we had a chance to get back into the game the D gave up a long drive or big play.

So while the ST was really poor in terms of giving up field position, and the O's turnovers hurt tremendously, the main reason we lost that game was the defense couldn't stop a Duke team that hasn't shown the ability to score points on anybody. I wasn't looking for a shutout, but a few stops wasn't asking for too much.

As far as the offense goes, we moved the ball at will on Duke but suffered the same mistakes and penalties we have it seems for 3 years. The first INT was a really bad read in particular. But playing from behind seemed to make Reggie push too hard to make the big play on every snap. There were several occassions where we would have been better off if he had just thrown it away but he tried to make something happen.

Obviously, we lost as a team. Every unit could have played better and if any one had it could have changed the game. We were blown out on the scoreboard, but the game was closer than it seems until the INT for the TD. But IMO if we were playing even or ahead, the O would have produced more points simply because we would have stayed with the run more. Duke couuldn't stop us on the ground, unfortunately we couldn't stop them running the ball either.
 
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