Haunting words by CPJ...

Diseqc said:
Not only had the game passed Johnson by, but rule changes were effectively neutering his offense. We probably win more than 10 games in 3 years with Johnson, but it was going to be more of the same getting dominated by the 4-5 good teams on the schedule. Not exactly exciting stuff.
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What you are refusing to see is that Johnson knew how to adapt. The rules allowing cut blocking changed, but he still managed to move the ball down the field and score.....and win. I am convinced he could have and would have adapted to any other changes that were needed to keep us at least relevant and probably winners.
 
Supersize that order mutt said:
What you are refusing to see is that Johnson knew how to adapt. The rules allowing cut blocking changed, but he still managed to move the ball down the field and score.....and win. I am convinced he could have and would have adapted to any other changes that were needed to keep us at least relevant and probably winners.
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That moron has failed to look at the various option teams rushing just fine this season, last season, and all the seasons before. Seems like the rules changes haven't slowed them down much.
 
Jacketzrus said:
That moron has failed to look at the various option teams rushing just fine this season, last season, and all the seasons before. Seems like the rules changes haven't slowed them down much.
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Johnson was only limited by support from TStan and stubborn, ignorant boosters. Give Johnson the money that Collins was given, and we could have moved to the top. If a goofball like Pepper Rodgers could transition overnight from the Wishbone to whatever style offense he ran with Mike Kelley, then you can be sure CPJ could have made a similar transition if necessary. People also forget that although it wasn't the triple option, Fridge ran an option-based offense.
 
Supersize that order mutt said:
Johnson was only limited by support from TStan and stubborn, ignorant boosters. Give Johnson the money that Collins was given, and we could have moved to the top. If a goofball like Pepper Rodgers could transition overnight from the Wishbone to whatever style offense he ran with Mike Kelley, then you can be sure CPJ could have made a similar transition if necessary. People also forget that although it wasn't the triple option, Fridge ran an option-based offense.
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This is spot on. PJ did more with so much less support. TStan came in and basically forced him out. I do think there is some truth to PJ being burned out. He said as much. But I think the major contributor to that was the lack of support.

It’s not even very fair to say he couldn’t recruit. He basically had himself to review film and make visits. If the same amount of money that was put into Clown was put into PJ, we’d be top 10 right now.

But, as I said in the other thread. PJ is gone. Got to let it go.
 
jacket_sav said:
this is a video from the press conference where Paul Johnson discussed his decision to step down with Todd Stansbury. Start watching at 11:07, and listen to the comments he made about the quality of players that Tech had at the time he was leaving. He said that whoever inherits this team is inheriting about a 7 or 8 win football team, and yet all we heard from Collins was how this was the greatest rebuild in the history of rebuilds. Perhaps it should have been obvious that he was full of crap from the get go. It was like he was preparing everyone to be let down and brace themselves for tough sledding ahead, rather than having a plan for winning. His plan was to create a bunch of culture and hype around the program and hope that we could magically become Georgia or Clemson overnight, but there wasn't a real plan to take these players to mold them into football players. We should have seen this coming:
Paul Johnson discusses leaving
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I don't know of any coach exiting a program for any reason who's taken the opportunity to öööö on his previous team. PJ is no exception here obviously.
 
jacket_sav said:
it would have been for someone who knew how to coach them
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Who was going to be QB? PJ didn't think any of his stable was better than dwag-fan Taquon. Graham got a shot and didn't pan out and that other kid from CA wasn't very good, got hurt, and transferred. The OL was a joke. It's STILL a joke...but it was then too. PJ's recruits are who couldn't defeat the Citadel 9 months later. His players couldn't stop the mighty Citadel TO.

PJ left us an NFL punter and that's about it. Tobias running 30+ QB Keepers/game wasn't going to win us 7-8 games.

And no, this doesn't mean Clown is worth AF so don't waste time translating this into that.
 
Diseqc said:
There wasn’t 7 or 8 win talent on the roster and Johnson knew it. Why do you think he quit.
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He quit because he got sick of hearing a segment of the alumni (mostly players) bitching and with holding support for program because they didn’t like the offensive style. That group got their man in Collins, maybe they can convince him to step down.
 
jacket_sav said:
Ok, fair enough. Johnson could have won 7 or 8 with those players though, and he knew that. Johnson also knew how to develop players. Collins is still trying to figure it out. I'm not arguing for bringing Johnson back (although the thought of that makes me rock hard), but the fact is that Collins was not a good hire. It is too bad that he has not been successful, but at no point in his tenure has he even remotely seemed close to being successful.
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Johnson never developed Taquon, who was worse in 2018 than in 2017. He didn't develop any QBs, as we saw as the ones he left behind got trotted out and didn't play well. Johnson could've won 7 or 8 but also could've won 4-6. Who TF knows or cares at this point?
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
Who was going to be QB? PJ didn't think any of his stable was better than dwag-fan Taquon. Graham got a shot and didn't pan out and that other kid from CA wasn't very good, got hurt, and transferred. The OL was a joke. It's STILL a joke...but it was then too. PJ's recruits are who couldn't defeat the Citadel 9 months later. His players couldn't stop the mighty Citadel TO.

PJ left us an NFL punter and that's about it. Tobias running 30+ QB Keepers/game wasn't going to win us 7-8 games.

And no, this doesn't mean Clown is worth AF so don't waste time translating this into that.
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Oliver would have been on par with Marshall. And I prefer watching 30 keepers and winning to getting booty blasted by that same VT team.
 
Jacketzrus said:
That moron has failed to look at the various option teams rushing just fine this season, last season, and all the seasons before. Seems like the rules changes haven't slowed them down much.
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the schedule hasn't slowed them down much either though Navy has sucked balls the past few years.
 
I loved Paul Johnson as our coach. But, he got tired and was not enjoying things at the end. Perhaps a better relationship with the AD or President would have made him want to stay. Who really knows?

But, he is gone and I hope very happy in retirement. There is no real point in lamenting his leaving. Just remember his tenure as a decade of respectable football with more good days than bad, by far. And, we beat the Dawgs three times in Athens.

He left and we needed a new coach. Our AD chose someone who had been at Tech and was coaching at Temple. He failed to realize his teams at Temple took a step down from his predecessor’s team. He chose a guy who was all about branding, messaging and hype. The majority of Tech fans bought in and drank the juice. It has been a bad choice and the program is in an awful place. Barring a miraculous turnaround he will be fired no later than season’s end.

Arguing the pros and cons of going back to Paul Johnson option football is not very helpful. It is not Paul’s scheme that needs to be duplicated - it is his confidence, work ethic, leadership, high standards, staffing, and football knowledge that needs to be replicated in the next hire. O’Leary, Gailey and Johnson gave us a good twenty year run. With the right hire, it can happen again.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
Where is all the CGC support you guys are imagining? No one likes the current product, coach, nor staff.
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You keep trying that strawman. No one supports Collins now. He turned out to be worse than his Temple record predicted (which wasn’t great). He is literally a joke in the profession. But he was exactly what those players wanted. We even have one on staff, Mr ‘No more small ball’ himself.

And you have spent years bitching about TO and his 30+ keepers. We get it, you didn’t like the style of offense. Just remember, we won that game.
 
WracerX said:
You keep trying that strawman. No one supports Collins now. He turned out to be worse than his Temple record predicted (which wasn’t great). He is literally a joke in the profession. But he was exactly what those players wanted. We even have one on staff, Mr ‘No more small ball’ himself.

And you have spent years bitching about TO and his 30+ keepers. We get it, you didn’t like the style of offense. Just remember, we won that game.
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what game was that?
You keep pushing the strawman that those who don't like the TO worship Clown coach. We get it - you don't like him and neither do we. Just remember, PJ quit and is retired and the TO isn't coming back.
 
Diseqc said:
There wasn’t 7 or 8 win talent on the roster and Johnson knew it. Why do you think he quit.
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Because it was getting close to time to retire for his family life and Tech wasn’t funding the program or his staff worth a damn. Why go into the cage with one arm tied behind your back.
And things aren’t much better for Collins. Collins is just so awful even a significant increase in funding now wouldn’t help.
 
Diseqc said:
Not only had the game passed Johnson by, but rule changes were effectively neutering his offense. We probably win more than 10 games in 3 years with Johnson, but it was going to be more of the same getting dominated by the 4-5 good teams on the schedule. Not exactly exciting stuff.
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You’re dumb. Yes the rule changes made things a little more difficult. Not significantly so for CPJ. Even at the end with Paul the scheme was never a problem on O. It really only ever struggled when we struggled at the QB position.

Recruiting and defense were always the weakness during the CPJ era. Those two things closely correlated together and were in large part driven by lack of funding for recruiting staff and decent assistant coaching staff. Lot of recruiting comes down to position coaches. Toward the end CPJ was not able to retain or attract the better coaches.

Funding for staff and recruiting is still a big problem Tech needs to get a handle on even after they dump the current staff.
 
He would probably only make one snarky little comment and leave it at that. Maybe something along the lines of,”well the next guy will have an even bigger rebuilding job ahead of him.”
 
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