Haunting words by CPJ...

05GTCorndog said:
Anyone in Detroit who saw us brutalized in the send off game think that was a future 8 win team?

He got out at the right time and I don’t blame him.
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That was a pretty good Minnesota team actually. And I don’t think Tech was very excited to be playing in Detroit. But he did leave at a good time, his time was pretty much all played out by then.
 
jacket_sav said:
Hypothetically speaking, if Monken had taken over the program after Johnson retired, we would have been competing for ACC championships nearly every season. Who would have wanted that? The only people more relieved than us to see the option go were all of the dawg fans here in Athens
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Almost every uga fan I know thought the scheme was a gimmick. Amazing as it is literally why Tech one those games against them during the CPJ era. The only one we should have won but didn’t was 2009. That Tech team was better than the mutts that year. Just couldn’t get the W that night.
 
jacket_sav said:
this is a video from the press conference where Paul Johnson discussed his decision to step down with Todd Stansbury. Start watching at 11:07, and listen to the comments he made about the quality of players that Tech had at the time he was leaving. He said that whoever inherits this team is inheriting about a 7 or 8 win football team, and yet all we heard from Collins was how this was the greatest rebuild in the history of rebuilds. Perhaps it should have been obvious that he was full of crap from the get go. It was like he was preparing everyone to be let down and brace themselves for tough sledding ahead, rather than having a plan for winning. His plan was to create a bunch of culture and hype around the program and hope that we could magically become Georgia or Clemson overnight, but there wasn't a real plan to take these players to mold them into football players. We should have seen this coming:
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Paul Johnson is one smart guy. That being said, I still think there’s an intangible great product at GT that you can’t get at Auburn, Wisconsin, Penn St. or Michigan.
I think the right guy could win here.

It may not be Alabama. But there’s certainly no reason we cannot compete for ACC titles and make a college football playoff.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
Who was going to be QB? PJ didn't think any of his stable was better than dwag-fan Taquon. Graham got a shot and didn't pan out and that other kid from CA wasn't very good, got hurt, and transferred. The OL was a joke. It's STILL a joke...but it was then too. PJ's recruits are who couldn't defeat the Citadel 9 months later. His players couldn't stop the mighty Citadel TO.

PJ left us an NFL punter and that's about it. Tobias running 30+ QB Keepers/game wasn't going to win us 7-8 games.

And no, this doesn't mean Clown is worth AF so don't waste time translating this into that.
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Citadel wouldn’t have been competitive after halftime if CPJ had been on the sidelines.
 
Tampa Jacket said:
Paul Johnson is one smart guy. That being said, I still think there’s an intangible great product at GT that you can’t get at Auburn, Wisconsin, Penn St. or Michigan.
I think the right guy could win here.

It may not be Alabama. But there’s certainly no reason we cannot compete for ACC titles and make a college football playoff.
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I’m gonna burst your bubble and say that will not happen if Tech doesn’t spend to get in the top 5 of funding the program in the conference. Maybe rarely time to time with the right coach so long as funding is among the top half in the conference. That includes HC salary, assistants salaries, recruiting staff and recruiting expenditures, as well as facilities upgrades.
 
Diseqc said:
There wasn’t 7 or 8 win talent on the roster and Johnson knew it. Why do you think he quit.
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Yes there was. He left because Stansbury and his former player buds didn’t want to run the option. We trusted the dumbest alums with our most important revenue generating commodity.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
Who was going to be QB? PJ didn't think any of his stable was better than dwag-fan Taquon. Graham got a shot and didn't pan out and that other kid from CA wasn't very good, got hurt, and transferred. The OL was a joke. It's STILL a joke...but it was then too. PJ's recruits are who couldn't defeat the Citadel 9 months later. His players couldn't stop the mighty Citadel TO.

PJ left us an NFL punter and that's about it. Tobias running 30+ QB Keepers/game wasn't going to win us 7-8 games.

And no, this doesn't mean Clown is worth AF so don't waste time translating this into that.
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Tobias ran a keeper and scored the TD that beat the citadel... Oops but a timeout had been called.
 
jacket_sav said:
this is a video from the press conference where Paul Johnson discussed his decision to step down with Todd Stansbury. Start watching at 11:07, and listen to the comments he made about the quality of players that Tech had at the time he was leaving. He said that whoever inherits this team is inheriting about a 7 or 8 win football team, and yet all we heard from Collins was how this was the greatest rebuild in the history of rebuilds. Perhaps it should have been obvious that he was full of crap from the get go. It was like he was preparing everyone to be let down and brace themselves for tough sledding ahead, rather than having a plan for winning. His plan was to create a bunch of culture and hype around the program and hope that we could magically become Georgia or Clemson overnight, but there wasn't a real plan to take these players to mold them into football players. We should have seen this coming:
Paul Johnson discusses leaving
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100% Spot On.. Had Georgi Tech hired Ken N or Jeff Monken we would have been able to beat Clemson the last two years and with TO at QB would have been in the running for the ACC title last year. The issue has always been that Coach Collins is a recruiter first and has been given the chance to grow into a P5 Coach. The issues is has has shown no improvement as a coach and it seems fair to say all his 4 star recruits have been overrated (except Gibbs who is at Bama)
 
05GTCorndog said:
Anyone in Detroit who saw us brutalized in the send off game think that was a future 8 win team?

He got out at the right time and I don’t blame him.
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Really? You’re judging the team’s talent based on a ööööty bowl game after the coach had already announced he was retiring?

How about the fact that we were one play from beating Pitt and winning the division?
 
whiskey clear said:
That was a pretty good Minnesota team actually. And I don’t think Tech was very excited to be playing in Detroit. But he did leave at a good time, his time was pretty much all played out by then.
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The fact that we got stuck in Detroit is on the shoulders of the AD. If I recall, we beat both Miami and UVA that year and had equal or better records than they yet while they got decent bowl trips, we were stuck in Detroit. Should have never come down to that.
 
GTFLETCH said:
100% Spot On.. Had Georgi Tech hired Ken N or Jeff Monken we would have been able to beat Clemson the last two years and with TO at QB would have been in the running for the ACC title last year. The issue has always been that Coach Collins is a recruiter first and has been given the chance to grow into a P5 Coach. The issues is has has shown no improvement as a coach and it seems fair to say all his 4 star recruits have been overrated (except Gibbs who is at Bama)
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LOL What? Clemson's defense OWNED PJ and the option for the last few years he was here. We would not have beaten them.
 
jacket_sav said:
Hypothetically speaking, if Monken had taken over the program after Johnson retired, we would have been competing for ACC championships nearly every season. Who would have wanted that? The only people more relieved than us to see the option go were all of the dawg fans here in Athens
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Smart was quoted as saying that he joins the ACC coaches in wishing Johnson well and getting 2+ weeks back into their practice schedules every year. I think we all know what he meant by that.
 
jacket_sav said:
Ok, fair enough. Johnson could have won 7 or 8 with those players though, and he knew that. Johnson also knew how to develop players. Collins is still trying to figure it out. I'm not arguing for bringing Johnson back (although the thought of that makes me rock hard), but the fact is that Collins was not a good hire. It is too bad that he has not been successful, but at no point in his tenure has he even remotely seemed close to being successful.
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I have no idea why we would bring back Johnson when there are a string of his own protégés who coach like him and have advanced his offense beyond what CPJ has done, and would love an opportunity to coach outside a military academy.
 
Diseqc said:
Not only had the game passed Johnson by, but rule changes were effectively neutering his offense. We probably win more than 10 games in 3 years with Johnson, but it was going to be more of the same getting dominated by the 4-5 good teams on the schedule. Not exactly exciting stuff.
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He went to a bowl game with that same exact team… stop being ignorant
 
05GTCorndog said:
Anyone in Detroit who saw us brutalized in the send off game think that was a future 8 win team?

He got out at the right time and I don’t blame him.
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We had a coach the players respected leaving, we got relegated to the öööötiest bowl possible except maybe Shreveport, etc. Yeah the players were not motivated to play well.

ACC should have slotted us to the bowl in BC, can’t remember the name maybe Armed Forces or something. The Navy/DC draw would have been huge. A great send off for a HOF coach. Instead we grabbed our ankles and let the ACC plow our 5 hole and sent CPJ off in the worst way possible. No celebrations, no recognition of a great career, etc. Go to Detroit and eat öööö and leave. Crap game in crap venue in crap city on crap day with no fan interest.
 
One of CPJ's major failures was refusing to part with Sewak.. There were problems at DC but he kept shuffling the deck. Sewak though was untouchable when he clearly was dead weight. A change for the positive in the OL performance would've made all the difference in the world. Go figure.
 
whiskey clear said:
You’re dumb. Yes the rule changes made things a little more difficult. Not significantly so for CPJ. Even at the end with Paul the scheme was never a problem on O. It really only ever struggled when we struggled at the QB position.

Recruiting and defense were always the weakness during the CPJ era. Those two things closely correlated together and were in large part driven by lack of funding for recruiting staff and decent assistant coaching staff.
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Delusional. They were in large part driven by the perception that the TO isn't a road to the NFL and ultimately, most HS kids were not interested in playing O or D in that scheme.

If this wasn't the case, we would've/should've seen upticks in recruiting after 2008, 2009, and 2014 but we didn't. No amount of $$$ was going to change the perception that the TO is archaic. PJ running 30+ QB Keepers every game with Taquon the last 2 years only confirmed that perception.
 
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