How NIL is changing recruiting

BigDanT said:
What if it’s part of an NIL contract not to disclose how much you are paid?
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That would explain the kids not revealing specific numbers... but you'd still expect to see a lot of bling.
 
18in32 said:
You don't read so good. I specifically said we'll have to see how NIL affects things. So far, Tech recruiting doesn't appear to have suffered much from NIL, and CGC has made a pretty compelling argument why it could actually benefit us. (Is your name image and likeness going to have a higher value in Blacksburg or in Atlanta?)
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Blacksburg.

The big deals are going to come from mega rich people like in Texas or Oregon or whatever.

The medium deals are going to come from college towns like Blacksburg or Athens where there are businesses that will shell out their whole marketing budget to get the latest stiff Dwag QB on their billboard.

None of the big corporations in Atlanta are going to waste money on some Tech player not named Calvin Johnson. If they want to spend that money, they’ll spend it on names from the factories (like Dwag #99 on billboards all over town currently). We might get free breakfasts at Waffle House or something. Being in Atlanta has little to no benefit for Tech NIL deals.

JRjr
 
18in32 said:
The transfer portal is probably bad for CFB and bad for student athletes in general, but definitely benefits teams like GT that are often "fall back" schools. We'll benefit from disgruntled players looking for a fresh start and coming back home to Atlanta.
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Given the choice between Gibbs and literally every other portal player Collins has brought in combined, which would you choose? I’d take Gibbs, and other than that one WR from this season it’s not even close.

From what I’ve seen, it’s more likely that truly good talent transfers out of a place like Tech than mediocre to decent talent transfers in, especially now with NIL and other considerations beyond just winning in the mix.

JRjr
 
vapspwi said:
Given the choice between Gibbs and literally every other portal player Collins has brought in combined, which would you choose? I’d take Gibbs, and other than that one WR from this season it’s not even close.

From what I’ve seen, it’s more likely that truly good talent transfers out of a place like Tech than mediocre to decent talent transfers in, especially now with NIL and other considerations beyond just winning in the mix.

JRjr
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GT sucks right now. Of course that'll affect things.
 
18in32 said:
Of course – but then the entire paradigm shifts back from 'businesses advertising with NIL' to 'boosters paying kids under table'. Which very well may happen. But do you really think a UGA booster is paying JT Daniels $1,000,000 to ride the pine?
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If I am reading this right, you think the NIL deals are sincere advertising deals and not an above-board method to funnel money to recruits currently.
 
aeromech said:
If I am reading this right, you think the NIL deals are sincere advertising deals and not an above-board method to funnel money to recruits currently.
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You think Logan's Roadhouse paid Bryce Young to *stay* at Alabama and not transfer somewhere else? So far all the deals that have been posted ITT are deals with already established upperclassmen. I have no doubt some HS players / freshmen are getting paid, too. But I don't believe they're getting paid millions.

But hey, it's a crazy world, and if you've got some evidence to the contrary, I'm happy to be educated.
 
cyptomcat said:
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I'd be really curious to know more about this deal – but at least this mechanism makes more sense. This isn't some rich used car dealer offering the kid $1m, but an alumni organization that has a long history of raising funds for the school.

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PS. I guess Eastern Michigan is now going to dominate CFB, since like Bama they're offerings QB's $1 mil, amirite?
 
Vespidie said:
IMO, TV over saturation has done more to hurt college sports than anything else up to now.
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This, this. a thousand times this. We have seen this play out before with professional boxing in the 80's and 90's. For a time, you could watch boxing on three different programs/networks four days a week. The result was lots of bad boxers and boring matchups. All of those got started when PPV came of age and the money got big.

We have seen this before with NASCAR with all three series on television and tracks expanded across the country. Questionable markets with questionable track layouts (think those boring 1-1/2 mile circuits and the flat tracks like Phoenix and Homestead) that unquestionably were built to maximize the number of seats for sale by track ownership. That said, seat sales were not the prime driver for the expansion - TV$ were "paving the way".


I know there are other factors at play but both of those sports suffered from #TVGREED and college football is suffering the same fate. Too much football on television and I say that as someone who seldom makes it to Grant Field to watch in person. Too damn many bowl games with exceptions made for teams with "non-winning" records. I don't think that charitable benefits are the prime driver behind the startup of all these bowls. Make no mistake, the alphabetic sirens, NCAA, SEC, ND and ESPN are drawing in unsuspecting victims at the expense of college athletics.
 
aeromech said:
If I am reading this right, you think the NIL deals are sincere advertising deals and not an above-board method to funnel money to recruits currently.
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They're both. I have no doubt that plenty of boosters will do NIL just to be bagmen, but there's no denying that college football stars have both local and national marketing value that can legitimately benefit companies.
 
What about the notion that NIL could be used to eliminate the 85 scholarship limit? Deals could be worked out, strickly between the athlete and wealthy boosters, to "walk-on" at a given school for enough NIL money. No school or AA would be involved at all. That sounds like the NIL model A&M was using, except they were using it to get athletes to sign on for schollys.
 
ETBee said:
What about the notion that NIL could be used to eliminate the 85 scholarship limit? Deals could be worked out, strickly between the athlete and wealthy boosters, to "walk-on" at a given school for enough NIL money. No school or AA would be involved at all. That sounds like the NIL model A&M was using, except they were using it to get athletes to sign on for schollys.
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This would certainly give a new meaning to the designation of preferred walk on.
 
18in32 said:
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You think Logan's Roadhouse paid Bryce Young to *stay* at Alabama and not transfer somewhere else? So far all the deals that have been posted ITT are deals with already established upperclassmen. I have no doubt some HS players / freshmen are getting paid, too. But I don't believe they're getting paid millions.

But hey, it's a crazy world, and if you've got some evidence to the contrary, I'm happy to be educated.
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Do you mean like this:

Alabama quarterback Bryce Young already made $800k before even starting a game (msn.com)

"A kid gets a seven-figure deal before he even starts a game. That's fair market value?" Shaw said. "I don't think that's fair market value. That's Alabama value."
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18in32 said:
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You think Logan's Roadhouse paid Bryce Young to *stay* at Alabama and not transfer somewhere else? So far all the deals that have been posted ITT are deals with already established upperclassmen. I have no doubt some HS players / freshmen are getting paid, too. But I don't believe they're getting paid millions.

But hey, it's a crazy world, and if you've got some evidence to the contrary, I'm happy to be educated.
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Or maybe this:

Ohio State freshman QB Quinn Ewers signs $1.4 million NIL deal with autograph vendor, per reports - CBSSports.com

What's particularly notable about this NIL deal is that it features a player who has yet to take a single snap in college.
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aeromech said:
Do you mean like this:

Alabama quarterback Bryce Young already made $800k before even starting a game (msn.com)
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In your link...
Young's only currently public endorsement, with Cash App, is reportedly worth six figures and production has been completed on a commercial. The bulk of his remaining deals, per Scarborough's sources, are in the trading card and memorabilia space with companies including Leaf, Wild Card and Onyx. Scarborough also reports Young has yet to sign any local deals in Tuscaloosa, but he's expected to sign deals that can be beneficial to teammates as well.
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As is customary, people trumpet these deals based on the rosiest possible projections. He's not getting $1 mil guaranteed. How much they are worth to Young will depend on how much of his memorabilia people end up buying.

And people will buy his memorabilia not because he was a good HS QB who signed with Bama, but because he is a Heisman winner who (hopefully) leads them to the NC.

So my point is confirmed rather than refuted by this article.
 
How can EMU (!) offer Caleb Williams $1 million to leave Oklahoma to go there, and Ga Tech can't even keep the players it already has?
 
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